Steve Smith to the Cowboys?

[iceberg]

SkinsandTerps -
Blast me all you want. As I have stated year after year...I watch EVERY NFL game.
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Watching and comprehending are totally two different things. Smith is an elite player.

He (Smith) would complete our 1-2 punch at WR and leave all the body shots wide open for Witten, Barber and company.

Carolina would want a replacement WR plus more. They're eating cap so we could do to same due to Smith's salary this year.

Trade Patrick (they would have their vet WR) and a young WR (maybe Austin to replace their speed at the WR position). Then add in the necessary drafts picks as needed.

Smith will take Patrick's spot, one of the bubble WR (Amendola, Jefferson) takes Austins spot.

No need to deplete our depth at other positions, use draft picks to complete the deal.

Having said that, Carolina would be stupid to lose their best offensive weapon. I just don't see it happening. Dang, I hope I'm wrong.

Also iceberg, I am well aware of the cap hit of Patrick, approx. 5 mil, which would be pushed into next year. I'm sure Carolina is going to be taking a cap hit also.

You have to break a few eggs to make an omelet (superbowl). This would be upgrading one of our weaker links

Star, did you read my post. I think you mixed it with other post to get that stupid trade scenario. Cause that's not what I posted.

Try again.

breaking a few eggs to make an omlette, great. now i'm debating with a cliche.

throw in necessary draft picks. way to lay out some specifics.

take a $5mil cap hit. GENIOUS!

sorry, i get instantly against anyone who uses "insert trade bait of the day that makes no thought overall" as a player to get what we...they want.

madden 2009 will be out soon. have at it.

 

[Cowboysfan22]

hmm.

If it didn't work out with lucas, then how can it work with Newman

There could have been other reasons why Steve Smith punched him in the face.

 

[Cowboysfan22]

I seriously doubt we will get any new wide receivers for a while even if we could trade for smith it would cost us quite a bit of talent and money.

 

[DFWJC]

Smith and Lucas have been jawing for along time....it just boiled over.

As for the comment about the Panthers taking disciplining Smith---well, I think missing 2 full games of the regular season is certainly styrong dsicpline for punching a teammate.

I cannot imagine carolina moving their best offensive player unless they traded him for another to end receiver. When Smith has a QB to get him the ball, he is dominating.

 

[SkinsSuck09]

I say bring him in......We would definitely crush teams! I really do not want a player who punches other team mates in the mouth but I think he would come around to be ok. Talk about championship though wow.

 

[DFWJC]

I like Steve Smith, but I continue to think it is a terrible idea to take a #1 WR and make him a #2

With Steve Smith finally getting to play on a juggernaut offense and no double (triple) coverage....I think TO will be able to accept his role as a #2 to win another Super Bowl.

 

[Seven]

like i said, i hate madden. you can rationalize all you want but that was a bucket of chicken droppings of a suggestion on the trade.

Really not that bad, fried..............

 

[Stash]

Forgive me if this question has been asked already as I haven't read this entire thread.

But is Smith's two-game suspension team mandated?

And if so, would a trade render such suspension null and void with his new team?

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Let's not forget that I live in Charlotte.

Smith is a good player...not a very good teammate. Not a great player.

Again blast away.

I have met Smith a couple of times, and he seemed cool, although, I am not asked to line up with him or take his sucker punches as a teammate.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

When Smith has a QB to get him the ball, he is dominating.

So Delhomme is that QB ?

 

[dueyhemlock]

WE have the cap room. Smith has a low salary.

Smith is a total upgrade over Patrick. They get a proven vet to fill their hole at the WR position. Patrick is not untouchable by any means.

You don't think Jerry would include Patrick in a deal that would teamgive us a proven #1 / #2 WR to up with TO? Patrick would be a minor speedbump in this trade scenario.

i'm talking about craytons salary and bonus that would come into play here. you want to talk about not depleting our depth and then you give up our 1st 3 round of our next draft and TWO players for ONE position.

like i said, i hate madden. you can rationalize all you want but that was a bucket of chicken droppings of a suggestion on the trade.

I didn't say any thing about our "1st 3 round of our next draft". Read my post!

Giving them a vet (Patrick) and a speed WR prospect doesn't hurt us that much. We have young WRs that might be cut, hence the 2 players involved. I'm not doing a madden here. I know that we'll have to add something (draft) to the 2 WRs in my original trade scenario.

I see my wording placement might be off in the thread, but the content is still pretty clear.

A proven #1 / #2 WR to team up with TO.

Thats how it was supposed to be written, my bad but still nothing close to what you are posting (MADDEN ?????).


I just reread my original post and the wording is correct, don't know how the above Quote got missed up.??

 

[DFWJC]

So Delhomme is that QB ?

Romo would obviously be an even greater upgrade....but yes, the past clearly shows that when Delhomme is the QB, Smith has been dominant...I think he has been top 5 just about every year. Last year started out the same until Delhomme got hurt.

So imagine what the guy could do in Dallas. It's all a pipe dream anyway.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Blast me all you want. As I have stated year after year...I watch EVERY NFL game.

Smith is not as good as some think he is.

He takes plays off, he has the drops virus, he is an average at best blocker...

Take him and sacrifice an actual need for your team. Losing Glenn was nothing. I said last year prior to the injury the Glenn was more hype.

Smith is not as good as advertised.

You watch every play of every single game every single week? Wow. That's impressive. How do you find the time to do that? Even with NFL Sunday Ticket, where you can watch all the games, I find it hard to believe you watch every single play of every single game.

I'm not saying you're right, wrong, way off, way on, whatever. I'm just saying I find it hard to believe you've ever watched every single play, of every single game, in even one week of an NFL season, let alone all of them.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

You deserve a reward after a post like that.

How about I show you a magic trick..?​

I love that.

 

[sonnyboy]

You people who think this:
2009 1st, 2009 2nd, 2009 3rd, WR Crayton and CB Henry.
is to much in a trade for S. Smith are missing the boat on the contract
25.65mil over the next 5 years.
With cap hits of 1.75mil 2008, 3.40mil 2009, 5.75mil 2010, 7.00mil 2011, 7.75mil 2012.

This is a fair trade based on real value. You have to understand our 1st, 2nd and 3rd rd picks in 2009 are valued as 32, 64 and 96.
If we or Carolina wanted to use those picks in a package to trade up in the 2009 draft, we wouldn't get higher than 12.

You guys are overvaluing the picks and players and undervaluing having Steve Smith's services for 5 years at 25.65mil.

Steve Smith is a top 5 ProBowl WR. He is right their with Moss, Owens and Johnson. But unlike Moss and Owens he has 5 good years left.

If you want to understand how valuable Smith's deal is, just compare to Owens' contract. 2008 $5,728,388, 2009 $8,995,000, 2010 $10,725,000, 2011 $10,225,000

We are paying Owens over 35 mil the next 4 years. Smith's price tag for the same 4 years would be, 17.9 mil.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

You people who think this:
2009 1st, 2009 2nd, 2009 3rd, WR Crayton and CB Henry.
is to much in a trade for S. Smith are missing the boat on the contract
25.65mil over the next 5 years.
With cap hits of 1.75mil 2008, 3.40mil 2009, 5.75mil 2010, 7.00mil 2011, 7.75mil 2012.

This is a fair trade based on real value. You have to understand our 1st, 2nd and 3rd rd picks in 2009 are valued as 32, 64 and 96.
If we or Carolina wanted to use those picks in a package to trade up in the 2009 draft, we wouldn't get higher than 12.

You guys are overvaluing the picks and players and undervaluing having Steve Smith's services for 5 years at 25.65mil.

Steve Smith is a top 5 ProBowl WR. He is right their with Moss, Owens and Johnson. But unlike Moss and Owens he has 5 good years left.

If you want to understand how valuable Smith's deal is, just compare to Owens' contract. 2008 $5,728,388, 2009 $8,995,000, 2010 $10,725,000, 2011 $10,225,000

We are paying Owens over 35 mil the next 4 years. Smith's price tag for the same 4 years would be, 17.9 mil.

I'm not giving up, essentially, 5 players for any 1 player. There isn't one player who comes to mind worth essentially 5 players in return.

I'm all for having Steve Smith but not at the cost of 3 draft picks and 2 starters. That's just plain stupid.

 

[zrinkill]

Let's not forget that I live in Charlotte.

Smith is a good player...not a very good teammate. Not a great player.

Again blast away.

I have met Smith a couple of times, and he seemed cool, although, I am not asked to line up with him or take his sucker punches as a teammate.

Do you really think anyone is gonna listen to your opinion about WR's when you make comments like

I watch EVERY NFL game.
Losing Glenn was nothing. I said last year prior to the injury the Glenn was more hype.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

You watch every play of every single game every single week? Wow. That's impressive. How do you find the time to do that? Even with NFL Sunday Ticket, where you can watch all the games, I find it hard to believe you watch every single play of every single game.

I'm not saying you're right, wrong, way off, way on, whatever. I'm just saying I find it hard to believe you've ever watched every single play, of every single game, in even one week of an NFL season, let alone all of them.

Every game in 30 minutes or less. Superfan and a few DVRs.

Yes every game.

 

[dueyhemlock]

breaking a few eggs to make an omlette, great. now i'm debating with a cliche.

throw in necessary draft picks. way to lay out some specifics.

take a $5mil cap hit. GENIOUS!

sorry, i get instantly against anyone who uses "insert trade bait of the day that makes no thought overall" as a player to get what we...they want.

madden 2009 will be out soon. have at it.

Picks needed (so call layout ) would be determined market value, other resent trades, other teams involved, etc. Myself, start with a 2nd and the players Patrick/Austin. Then let the bidding war begin.

If the 5 mil cap hit gets us the ultimate goal, then so be it.

"Trade bait of the day"-?- These players were used to fill the hole in Caroina's roster, vet and speed propect WR. That is pretty clear why I used these players.

Quote: I get instantly against anyone...blah, blah, blah....If you would of comprehended what i posted, it was clear why I used this trade scenario. Sorry you get annoyed at other's opinions that doesn't follow in suit with yours. Good luck with that.

And what's up with this Madden crap? I don't even play Madden, I'm a HALO man.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Romo would obviously be an even greater upgrade....but yes, the past clearly shows that when Delhomme is the QB, Smith has been dominant...I think he has been top 5 just about every year. Last year started out the same until Delhomme got hurt.

So imagine what the guy could do in Dallas. It's all a pipe dream anyway.

I never stated that Smith sucked. I simply don't think he is as good as many people give him credit for.

And when you have only one option and that option is a good player...that option will be dominant especially when facing teams like the Falcons, Saints, and Bucs.

I never said Smith wouldn't be a great player to compliment TO. I know he would be. However both of them have the drops, and both of them have injury potential.