Stop the handwringing over the final offensive possession

[TheMarathonContinues]

It's a team game. You play to win. Strategy included.

And strategy will catch up to you......you can't hide the defense for ever. Let them get experience .

 

[Deep_Freeze]

worst safety play in the league

Without Sean Lee, worst linebackers in the league

Corners are below average.

We’ve been focused on the pass rush for so long but they’re the least of our defensive problems now it seems like.

Well I will agree, our safeties are horrible, have been for a long time.

Jaylon was horrible today.

I really don't have a big problem with our CB play though, other than OScan on a few plays.

 

[Hoofbite]

But everyone knew the defense would blow it.

Troy and Buck called it, as did everyone in the game thread. If everyone knows that you cannot leave time for Rodgers, it is up to the offense to make sure he doesn't get the ball. The defense sucked, but the offense basically threw them overboard and said, "got me mines, we out". The offense could have won the game. At bare minimum they could have put the team in a much better position to win. They didn't.

The defense is not going to magically get better. The offense however can make smart decisions and achieve the same outcome. Between wishing the team magically improves on defense or wishing they start to manage the clock better, which one is more likely, feasible, and realistic? You do what you can. Can the team play defense? Apparently not. Can the team eat the clock with the running game? I see no reason why they cannot other than by choice not to.

 

[StarMan2112]

FIRE MARINELLI

Marinelli is being asked to make chicken salad out of chicken ****. We just don’t have much defensive talent.

 

[DallasInDC]

its makes no diff, this D is complete trash, we wont win 5 more games this year, 7-9

If we are 2-3 right now, but won't win 5 more games, how in the world will we be able to get to 7-9???

 

[CowboyinMD]

What if we run on that second down and Zeke scores?

We'd be in the same situation, you'd just have to find something else to whine about.

True, they could have let Zeke score.

Or Zeke could have gotten a first down and just take a knee at the 4.

I DON'T CARE how you do it...you do it in a way that allows you to score AND take the most time off the clock.

I'd be less pissed if Zeke fumbles it away on first/goal from the 2 than after watching Rodgers come down the field YET AGAIN!

Allowing the same thing to happen over and over again = insanity. Am I wrong??

 

[TWOK11]

W tee f

Who is pretending we threw it from the 1?

A lot of people, they're just too dumb or too emotional to know it.

 

[CowboyinMD]

But everyone knew the defense would blow it.

Troy and Buck called it, as did everyone in the game thread. If everyone knows that you cannot leave time for Rodgers, it is up to the offense to make sure he doesn't get the ball. The defense sucked, but the offense basically threw them overboard and said, "got me mines, we out". The offense could have won the game. At bare minimum they could have put the team in a much better position to win. They didn't.

The defense is not going to magically get better. The offense however can make smart decisions and achieve the same outcome. Between wishing the team magically improves on defense or wishing they start to manage the clock better, which one is more likely, feasible, and realistic? You do what you can. Can the team play defense? Apparently not. Can the team eat the clock with the running game? I see no reason why they cannot other than by choice not to.

Yes. THIS! Why is everyone else so friggin obtuse about this? You didn't have to leave 1:18 there for Rodgers. Shaking my Fing head.

 

[TheCoolFan]

And I wouldn't be surprised if the Packers knew that letting us score would be the best chance they'd have to still win the game. This is 2017, it's almost like you have to adopt Arena Football strategy. The "Take the TD if it's there" philosophy is very outdated in today's offensive-driven game.

I've seen teams make the mistake on both sides of the ball and they end up losing the game because of it. In today's game, when you're in those situations you need to know when to hold onto the ball to run down the clock when you're on offense and also when to allow the TD when you're on defense so that you can get the ball back on offense.

If we were playing Blake Bortles then maybe you could run with the conventional strategy but if you're playing a Rodgers/Brady/Brees/etc. then you know that all it takes is 2 passes for them to get into FG range so you don't even let them have that chance.

 

[TWOK11]

But everyone knew the defense would blow it.

Troy and Buck called it, as did everyone in the game thread. If everyone knows that you cannot leave time for Rodgers, it is up to the offense to make sure he doesn't get the ball. The defense sucked, but the offense basically threw them overboard and said, "got me mines, we out". The offense could have won the game. At bare minimum they could have put the team in a much better position to win. They didn't.

The defense is not going to magically get better. The offense however can make smart decisions and achieve the same outcome. Between wishing the team magically improves on defense or wishing they start to manage the clock better, which one is more likely, feasible, and realistic? You do what you can. Can the team play defense? Apparently not. Can the team eat the clock with the running game? I see no reason why they cannot other than by choice not to.

If you're that worried about the defense you aren't winning many games anyway.

You take the touchdown there and don't goof around. Anyone making any other argument is either a very ignorant fan of the game or too emotional to discern sense from nonsense.

 

[TWOK11]

And I wouldn't be surprised if the Packers knew that letting us score would be the best chance they'd have to still win the game. This is 2017, it's almost like you have to adopt Arena Football strategy. The "Take the TD if it's there" philosophy is very outdated in today's offensive-driven game.

I've seen teams make the mistake on both sides of the ball and they end up losing the game because of it. In today's game, when you're in those situations you need to know when to hold onto the ball to run down the clock when you're on offense and also when to allow the TD when you're on defense so that you can get the ball back on offense.

If we were playing Blake Bortles then maybe you could run with the conventional strategy but if you're playing a Rodgers/Brady/Brees/etc. then you know that all it takes is 2 passes for them to get into FG range so you don't even let them have that chance.

You're just so, so wrong. There isn't a coach in America that agrees with you.

You take the lead first then worry about how to keep it. You don't dick around and risk not scoring at all.

 

[zeke21]

What if we run on that second down and Zeke scores?

We'd be in the same situation, you'd just have to find something else to whine about.

Yeah.. but the pass call was still wrong because it was a (win)/lose.. you either catch it and leave too much time, or drop it and leave too much time. At least a run call is (win)/win/win.. you get the TD and leave too much time, you gain 1-3 yards and eat another 30s off the clock running the next play and/or force GB to use a TO and get a fresh set of downs to eat another 45s of clock/ you gain 0 yards and burn another 30s off the clock and force GB to use their TO.

A run play was the better call at that point.. and probably a run str8 up the guts.. ie high likelihood of a 1-2 yard gain for 1st down but no TD.

 

[trueblue1687]

We scored 31 points at home. Home teams that score 30+ win 96% of the time in NFL history.

The bottom line is our offense gave us a huge cushion and he defense blew it. Then they got the lead back and all they asked was to keep GB from going 75 yards in 80 seconds.

Those pinpointing the last offensive series as the culprit are misplacing blame. You do whatever you need to to score there. You DO NOT fall down at the one. That's moronic. You don't run on 2nd down if you think the best play is a pass.

The defense lost this game, period. Dak and company did PLENTY.

The pass play was stupid. Period. The fact that it was even thought to be smart is reflective of flawed logic. You're running the ball with impunity and have been beaten by Rogers in this scenario before. He went through the defense like a hot knife through butter with 1:30 left. Too much time left for him and our pathetic defense.

 

[Noclaf]

If we are 2-3 right now, but won't win 5 more games, how in the world will we be able to get to 7-9???

Sorry to pissed off to add

 

[DallasInDC]

Sorry to pissed off to add

I completely understand. I used to be like that... now I am too apathetic to be pissed off anymore. After we scored I fully expected us to allow them to march the length of the field to win the game. My son said hopefully we will win in OT. I told them games over we lost. This team is so predictable in so many ways.

 

[risco]

We scored 31 points at home. Home teams that score 30+ win 96% of the time in NFL history.

The bottom line is our offense gave us a huge cushion and he defense blew it. Then they got the lead back and all they asked was to keep GB from going 75 yards in 80 seconds.

Those pinpointing the last offensive series as the culprit are misplacing blame. You do whatever you need to to score there. You DO NOT fall down at the one. That's moronic. You don't run on 2nd down if you think the best play is a pass.

The defense lost this game, period. Dak and company did PLENTY.

 

[Hoofbite]

If you're that worried about the defense you aren't winning many games anyway.

You take the touchdown there and don't goof around. Anyone making any other argument is either a very ignorant fan of the game or too emotional to discern sense from nonsense.

The TD is not the issue. It was the pass before it.

 

[Stash]

I agree with all except the pass play. No excuse to get cute there.

It's indefensible.

But let the homers try.

And then laugh at them.

 

[Gator88]

The score the offense has put up to this point is meaningless, it's all about the rest of the game. Honestly, the "you gotta take the points" argument is outdated.

You have to weight the odds of not scoring with 3 tries from the 1 against GB's 31st ranked redone defense that haven't stopped Zeke all drive vs giving Rodgers a minute plus change, only needing a fg to go into overtime and a td to win.

The odds of winning are much higher with going down at the 1, and that's all you can do, give your team the best odds to win.

 

[JohnsKey19]

Marinelli is being asked to make chicken salad out of chicken ****. We just don’t have much defensive talent.

That's coaching. Adjust. Be creative. How about putting your best pass rusher on their backup OT. JUST ONCE!!