Stopping the New Romo Myth

[WillieBeamen]

No QB playing currently would have won a Super Bowl here these last 9 years Romo has been starter..

 

[percyhoward]

Super Bowl XLVl - Giants over the Patriots in 2011 - Giants with the 27th ranked defense, won the Super Bowl. Giants rushing defense was LAST, I repeat, LAST in the league. The Patriots, who the Giants were playing in the Super Bowl, had the 31ST, I repeat, 31st defense in the league. For those not following, that's next to last in defense. Yet they were 4 points away from winning the Super bowl. Oh yeah, they had the 20th best rushing offense.

So my calculations say, THERE ARE NO EXCUSES WHY WE CAN'T MAKE IT TO THE SUPER BOWL. So please stop it, homers.

If you really want to research it, find out which stats correlate highest with wins in the NFL. Then go back to at least 1970, and look at teams with top 10 QB like Romo has been every season. No team with a bottom 10 pass defense, that was bottom 10 in rushing attempts, and bottom half of the league in rushing TD has ever had a winning season.

There have been 17 such teams, and they are 0 for 17 in winning seasons. Here are some of the QB represented:

Montana 1982 (3-6)
Kelly 1986 (4-12)
Marino 1986 (8-8)
Marino 1988 (6-10)
Marino 1991 (8-8)
Romo 2011 (8-8)
Romo 2012 (8-8)
Brees 2012 (7-9)
Romo 2013 (8-8)

This is no coincidence. If your defense can't stop the pass, and you don't run the ball very much and your rushing TD total is below average, you don't win. Not even with a top 10 QB and Hall of Famers on the offense.

 

[Galian Beast]

games entering 4th qtr leading by more than one score
Brady 38
PManning 35
Rodgers 35
Brees 28
Romo 18

games entering 4th qtr trailing
Romo 46
Brees 34
Brady 28
PManning 28
Rodgers 27

I think that helps to illustrate my point. In context, when Romo has to throw 30+ times, it's usually because the team is behind. That isn't to suggest throwing 30+ times itself is inherently the issue.

 

[Rockport]

Off the top of your head, name one Seattle wide receiver. I can't think of one either. We have Dez & Witten, well known. Yet, he still won, or made it to the Super Bowl.
We had the number 2 rushing attack, and a top offense with a solid defense. Yet...

Nothing about the defense last year was solid. Come on, you're making yourself look bad with statements like that.

 

[jnday]

I don't see the issue. Romo has had problems when he has tried to do too much in the past. Last year, a great deal of the pressure came off due to a good line and a good RB. He played the best football of his career. What is the problem?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

There's nothing to support a conclusion that less "Romo" is more.

This is crazy talk.

His efficiency on pass attempts 31+ has dropped dramatically over the years.

That is a FACT.

What's crazier is you actually point this out, but then come to a different conclusion.





YR

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Please differentiate the games in which romo threw 30+ times while maintaining a lead as opposed to coming from behind.

I'm not a public utility.

If you find it important enough to determine the difference, do so for yourself.






YR

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I don't see the issue. Romo has had problems when he has tried to do too much in the past. Last year, a great deal of the pressure came off due to a good line and a good RB. He played the best football of his career. What is the problem?

I think the issue is that if you ever say anything remotely negative about Romo there are blind lemmings that will be outraged over it.

He has weaknesses just like every QB out there has. And as we have seen with the QB ratings, they have been abysmal the more we are throwing the ball.

The sad part is that it's not always on Romo as the coaching staff and playcalling has to keep that stuff in check and try to play to the QB's strengths. But even the blind lemmings can't even live with that notion.

It's difficult to have a good, honest discussion because of it.





YR

 

[percyhoward]

I think that helps to illustrate my point. In context, when Romo has to throw 30+ times, it's usually because the team is behind. That isn't to suggest throwing 30+ times itself is inherently the issue.

That was copied and pasted from this post from a couple of months ago, which contains a lot of the things that were in your OP. Like you said, if Romo has to throw the ball 40 times, it's probably a bad situation in the first place.

Brady, Manning, Romo, and Brees all get an 8-11 point boost when they throw less than 30 passes in a game. Not because "less passing is more," which confuses cause for effect. What we're seeing is less passing as the natural effect of having a more complete team.

 

[Picksix]

Off the top of your head, name one Seattle wide receiver. I can't think of one either. We have Dez & Witten, well known. Yet, he still won, or made it to the Super Bowl.
We had the number 2 rushing attack, and a top offense with a solid defense. Yet...

Doug Baldwin
Jermaine Kearse
Chris Matthews
Ricardo Lockette
Tyler Lockette
Paul Richardson
Jimmy Graham
Luke Willson
Anthony McCoy

Those are all off the top of my head, since I insinuated I couldn't. You don't know what I do or don't know.

I'm sorry, is this an attempt to say that Wilson is better than Romo? Because he's not. He didnt get them to the Super Bowl. A lot of QB's would have made it with that team. I understand that he hasn't had the weapons that Romo has, and I'm not trying to say he isn't good, but he has still had an awful lot of help, and he's overrated. When the defense was hit by injuries in the first part of they year, they lost as much as they won. Once Chancellor, Wagner, and Maxwell got healthy, they started dominating again.

Solid defense? I wouldn't say that. We weren't awful, but we weren't really all that good either. We created a lot of turnovers, and that is significant, but when we didn't get them, we didn't stop teams either. We had virtually no pass rush. How many TD drives of over 80 yards did we give up? It was in double figures. Our defense was helped out by the fact that we had an offense that could keep them off the field. Since 2009, Romo hasn't had anything near what Wilson has in terms of a defense.

 

[percyhoward]

I think the issue is that if you ever say anything remotely negative about Romo there are blind lemmings that will be outraged over it.

He has weaknesses just like every QB out there has. And as we have seen with the QB ratings, they have been abysmal the more we are throwing the ball.

The sad part is that it's not always on Romo as the coaching staff and play calling has to keep that stuff in check and try to play to the QB's strengths. But even the blind lemmings can't even live with that notion.

You're spinning in a teacup somewhere in Fantasyland. Why would the coaching staff decide to limit the pass attempts of their top 5 QB in an effort to compensate for some kind of inordinate drop off that doesn't even exist? As I told you a couple of months ago, you're confusing cause for effect. We didn't win because Romo passed less -- Romo passed less because we were winning.

Romo's 1st half pass attempts per game
2011-13 17.4
2014 17.6

Romo's 2nd half pass attempts per game
2011-13 19.2
2014 11.2

It's not like the coaches got together and convinced Romo to pass as much as he wanted to in the first half of games, then put the brakes on in the second half. If we'd been behind in the second half of games like we were from 2011-13, Romo would have ended up with as many attempts as he'd always had.

 

[MagicMan]

Stopping the new Romo Myth? Let's face it, the only way it will be STOPPED will be for him to win one and maybe even 2 SBs prior to retiring. Some of the Cowboy diehards or Romo apologists are going to rationalize or make alibis as to why they lost a game and he had nothing to do with it. And there may or may not be valid points..... But the regular fan or HOF voter see him as a very good QB who hasn't won anything of significance yet to label him one of the greatest and on parallel with the Montanas or Bradys. The belief is he cannot carry a team and when he tries, he makes terrible blunders and can be at the crucial moments in a game. That is the perception and no thread in a forum is going to alter anyone's mind.

Nothing wrong with needing help-----Bradshaw, Starr, Staubach, Aikman, Elway, Rottenburger, all have reached high levels not having to carry the load. All in the HOF, or headed there. Notice a pattern, all had great defenses with a great running game. He was a FA QB for christ sake, he has overachieved already...so leave it at that.

 

[DFWJC]

I said, there are no excuses why we can't. Yet we can't. Reason = Romo

That's preposterous

 

[jnday]

I think the issue is that if you ever say anything remotely negative about Romo there are blind lemmings that will be outraged over it.

He has weaknesses just like every QB out there has. And as we have seen with the QB ratings, they have been abysmal the more we are throwing the ball.

The sad part is that it's not always on Romo as the coaching staff and playcalling has to keep that stuff in check and try to play to the QB's strengths. But even the blind lemmings can't even live with that notion.

It's difficult to have a good, honest discussion because of it.





YR

You can't have a honest discussion about any problem on this team due to the posters that are blinded by emotion and their version of loyalty. It is pathetic really when adults behave that way,

 

[Clove]

That's preposterous

It's pointless talking about it. It is what it is, so now I have to worry about things that are right now. And that's if we can find a runner/s who can provide what Murray did.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I would love to see you use some.

Funny how you don't mention Aaron Rodgers...who has an increase of +6.02 QB rating on pass attempts 31+. By your logic, that is the same context.

And when we look at Romo's passer rating on pass attempts 31+, they are horrifically low:

Romo

2010: 69.9
2011: 73.7
2012: 95.0
2013: 77.5
2014: 126.2 (when we regulated his throwing attempts)

Compared to Brady's:

2010: 91.2
2011: 124.9
2012: 90.2
2013: 83.9

Or to Manning's:

2010: 85.8
2012: 100.8
2013: 113.3
2014: 97.8

Or even to Brees':

2010: 80.1
2011: 107.0
2012: 85.6
2013: 91.0
2014: 96.0

Out of all of those seasons, Romo has the worst 3 seasons (2010, 2011 and 2013).

So much for context.






YR

I always find it laughable how the Romo haters state their case by comparing Romo to Brady, Manning, and Brees. So what are you saying that Romo isnt as good as the rest of those guys? Yah, so what. No one is going to claim he is. But he is definitely in the next tier of QB's. Which is plenty good.

And as far as Romo throwing the deep ball poorly from 2010 to 2013 the reason is quite obvious. The Oline sucked during those years and Romo had little if any time to throw deep. He was pressured much during that time. And with no running game to keep the defense honest up towards the line of scrimmage.

But quite clearly , when Romo had time to throw in 2014, and a defense is kept honest with the run game, he can clearly be as good as anyone in the game with the deep ball. Your numbers prove that point and not the opposite.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I guess your insult and the use of the word embarrassment should be applied directly to your asinine take on Elway.


http://thebiglead.com/2010/10/08/hall-of-fame-qb-analysis-how-bad-was-john-elways-supporting-cast/

Elway is one of the best of all time in anyone's list that has any knowledge of the game. I've never even heard any kind of laughable stance like yours ever.

But what the heck its just a chat room. Anyone can come on here and say something embarrassing and not have to worry about it.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The comical thing is that there are people that are always on Romo's tail that can't really defend their arguments unless they use future Hall of Fame players as their comps. And even then, the comps are very tight and sometimes even fail.
That alone, you would think, would give them pause on bashing Tony so often.
But no...guess not.

LOL...........well said. As if Romo isnt any good because he isnt Tom Brady. Too funny.

 

[CowboyRoy]

So per your hot take, Aikman was overrated too. Talk about trolling.

More comical is that there are people who are so rabid to defend Romo they even go so far as to downgrade Hall of Fame QBs with rings on their fingers.

I guess it is too much to just accept Romo for what he has been and can be if the rest of his career is handled like it was last season.

Romo is one of the best QB's in the NFL and has been since he has been in the NFL. Clearly one of the best QB's in franchise history. And he has done all this for the most part with poor coaching, bad GM management, no run game, poor Oline play, and average to bad defense.

And considering the QB horror show that went on here in Dallas from Aikman to Romo, you would think that any Cowboy fan would be thanking his lucky stars for Romo. I know that I am. That's ok, you will miss him when he is gone and we have another 10 years of searching, grooming, searching, and praying we find someone as good as Romo again.

At least give yourself the satisfaction of enjoying it while we have it.

 

[CowboyRoy]

You know what bothers me as much as the people who won't give Romo the respect he has earned and deserves? The people who think you should lick the ground he walks on.

Why can't you, and the people who take your approach, have a better balance? How? Give him all the props for the player he is, how he has carried this franchise, and how he proven to be a very good QB in the NFL. But, at the same time not go off the deep end for people pointing out his mistakes, talking about his weaknesses, and comparing him to other QBs who never won anything in their careers. Don't defend Tony by trying to belittle QBs as great as Elway. You can't say Tony is the only reason we have been competitive on one hand , and then then turn a blind eye to the mistakes he has made on the other.... It makes your take WEAK, and completely one sided.

Finally, Tony made a perfect pass to Dez in the GB game. It could have been considered one of the best plays of all time. But it won't, and we have to live with that. At the same time. You have to admit, (if you know football), that with that much time left, and it being 4th down, the most important thing to do is move the chains. You must have better judgement, and make a higher percentage throw.

My whole point, Balance is the key to any good opinion.

Im perfectly balanced when it comes to Romo. I know exactly what he is and what his limitations are. As far as belittling Elway, you must have me confused with someone else. Elway is top 5 all time in my book. In fact, your whole rant here seems misplaced.