Straight talk about Greg Ellis

[Jarv]

Agreed. he was never a dominant player.
And while i don't necessarily agree getting rid of him is the only recourse, I do think we need to give younger players their chance and playing time. And you know as well as I do that this will not go down well with Ellis.
If he's truly a leader, he will not pout.
But we shall see....

You misquoted him, he said dominant pass rusher.

2 years ago BP replaced Greg as the starter the last few games for Canty and the defense tanked. Last year Greg was our leading pass rusher until the injury, then our defense tanked.

Just because you are unable to see patterns in puzzles doesn't mean others cannot.

I hope the young guys come out and play well, but they haven't proven anything like Greg already has. Basically our best front 7 player over the last 7 years. Ware did pass him in the pass rushing category last year only after Greg was injured.

They (Young guys) will get their chance to beat him in the Summer in TC and pre-season. If not for the injury I would be very surprised to see anyone take his spot, based on his past stellar play. If Spencer beats him out and got 8-9 sacks this year you would be overjoyed, if Eliis keeps the job and get 8-9 sacks you would say he's a bum...lol. Your just jaded.

 

[Vintage]

Last year, we had two guys that could rush the passer.

Greg Ellis and Demarcus Ware.

Why anyone wants to get rid of Ellis is beyond me. Its the same roster + Anthony Spencer.

Burnett hasn't proven enough; Carpenter hasn't proven enough, ditto on James/Ayodele.

Keep him.

He's cheap.

And a pass rusher.

 

[Vintage]

In the 1998 draft, who would you have taken at 8 instead of Ellis (obviously Moss....) but who else?

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

You misquoted him, he said dominant pass rusher.

2 years ago BP replaced Greg as the starter the last few games for Canty and the defense tanked. Last year Greg was our leading pass rusher until the injury, then our defense tanked.

Just because you are unable to see patterns in puzzles doesn't mean others cannot.

I hope the young guys come out and play well, but they haven't proven anything like Greg already has. Basically our best front 7 player over the last 7 years. Ware did pass him in the pass rushing category last year only after Greg was injured.

They (Young guys) will get their chance to beat him in the Summer in TC and pre-season. If not for the injury I would be very surprised to see anyone take his spot, based on his past stellar play. If Spencer beats him out and got 8-9 sacks this year you would be overjoyed, if Eliis keeps the job and get 8-9 sacks you would say he's a bum...lol. Your just jaded.

Ellis was NEVER a dominant pass rusher. Remember? His specialty is stuffing the run.
And 8-9 sacks would be Ellisesque, mon amis.
Nay, here is hoping that Spencer becomes not average but a dominant pass rusher/player ala pepper, merriman (less steroids) etc.
For too long have we been content to have Ellis get his 8 sacks per year and laud him from his leadership, courage, blah-blah-blah.
If Spencer gets his 8-9 sacks I say, great -- for a rookie. If Ellis gets his 8 sacks I say, same old same old. And same OLD guy.
With a new sheriff in town I look for Wade to unleash the young guys. And whiney Ellis needs to stay out of the way or sit down and keep his mouf shut about how the team uses him or any other player.
Best case scenario: Ellis finds another team who wants an average DE/LB and run stuffer until that team can bring on its new guy. And maybe we get a 5th rounder for him.
You may go now and return to your Ellis swoon couch.

 

[Vintage]

Ellis was NEVER a dominant pass rusher. Remember? His specialty is stuffing the run.
And 8-9 sacks would be Ellisesque, mon amis.
Nay, here is hoping that Spencer becomes not average but a dominant pass rusher/player ala pepper, merriman (less steroids) etc.
For too long have we been content to have Ellis get his 8 sacks per year and laud him from his leadership, courage, blah-blah-blah.
If Spencer gets his 8-9 sacks I say, great -- for a rookie. If Ellis gets his 8 sacks I say, same old same old. And same OLD guy.
With a new sheriff in town I look for Wade to unleash the young guys. And whiney Ellis needs to stay out of the way or sit down and keep his mouf shut about how the team uses him or any other player.
Best case scenario: Ellis finds another team who wants an average DE/LB and run stuffer until that team can bring on its new guy. And maybe we get a 5th rounder for him.
You may go now and return to your Ellis swoon couch.

Good. Let's trade Ellis.

Outside of Ware, who are our other proven pass rushers?

 

[Jarv]

Ellis was NEVER a dominant pass rusher. Remember? His specialty is stuffing the run.
And 8-9 sacks would be Ellisesque, mon amis.
Nay, here is hoping that Spencer becomes not average but a dominant pass rusher/player ala pepper, merriman (less steroids) etc.
For too long have we been content to have Ellis get his 8 sacks per year and laud him from his leadership, courage, blah-blah-blah.
If Spencer gets his 8-9 sacks I say, great -- for a rookie. If Ellis gets his 8 sacks I say, same old same old. And same OLD guy.
With a new sheriff in town I look for Wade to unleash the young guys. And whiney Ellis needs to stay out of the way or sit down and keep his mouf shut about how the team uses him or any other player.
Best case scenario: Ellis finds another team who wants an average DE/LB and run stuffer until that team can bring on its new guy. And maybe we get a 5th rounder for him.
You may go now and return to your Ellis swoon couch.

The fact that you think an 8-9 sacks year is worth a 5th round pick, pretty much lets everyone know your knowledge on the matter.

 

[Vintage]

The fact that you think an 8-9 sacks year is worth a 5th round pick, pretty much lets everyone know your knowledge on the matter.

8-9 sacks a year for a young player would get you a pretty high pick.

8-9 sacks a year for a 32 year old DE coming off an achilles injury might get you a 6th rounder.

That being said, we need to keep Ellis. Fact of the matter is, only him and Ware have proven to be capable pass rushers in our scheme.

And even though Ellis might not be 100%, we need to keep him to throw into the mix because our pass rush wasn't that good last year.

 

[superpunk]

Last year, we had two guys that could rush the passer.
Greg Ellis and Demarcus Ware.

Outside of Ware, who are our other proven pass rushers?

That being said, we need to keep Ellis. Fact of the matter is, only him and Ware have proven to be capable pass rushers in our scheme.

I can't really understand your point. Maybe you should restate it again in a slightly different way.

 

[Vintage]

I can't really understand your point. Maybe you should restate it again in a slightly different way.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Good. Let's trade Ellis.

Outside of Ware, who are our other proven pass rushers?

As far as pass rushers I'd like Canty and Spears show their stuff. Not proven but younger and fresher than Ellis. And not coming off an injury.

As far as proven, Spencer is not. But that does not mean he will not get his chances. Same with the above mentioned.

As for finding our pass rushers, that is why god invented mini camps and then preseason camp. So lets see who develops. Let's see who Wade might bring in You never know.

Your devotion to Ellis is touching. So much that my eyes are tearing. OK, that passed . . . .

By the way, there is a severe logjam at LB. Waaay too many young guns for us to get another so-so season of Ellis. I want to see new blood in our pass rushing corps.

The Ellis swooning couch is over there, dude.

 

[Vintage]

As far as pass rushers I'd like Canty and Spears show their stuff. Not proven but younger and fresher than Ellis. And not coming off an injury.

Awesome. Spears and Canty have shown to collapse the pocket since they became NFL starters.

Oh, wait....

As far as proven, Spencer is not. But that does not mean he will not get his chances. Same with the above mentioned.

I never said Spencer wouldnt get his chances.

As for finding our pass rushers, that is why god invented mini camps and then preseason camp. So lets see who develops. Let's see who Wade might bring in You never know.

Sweet. Mini camps will solve everything. Clearly, that was the problem with us last year. Didn't have enough mini-camps. That would have fixed our pass rush....

Your devotion to Ellis is touching. So much that my eyes are tearing. OK, that passed . . . .

Get over yourself. I have no devotion to Ellis. What I have a devotion to is seeing us win. And I think we might need a pass rush to do so.

How stupid of me.

If Spencer comes in and tears it up from the get go, Ayodele resurges with a pass rush, Carpenter begins being a great pass rusher, and Burnett does as well....I'll have no trouble dropping Ellis at that point because we'll have plenty of competant pass rushers at that point.

But seeing as how none of that has happened and I don't want a repeat of last year, we should probably hang onto Ellis since he has shown an ability to rush the passer at the NFL level moreso than any of the aforementioned.

By the way, there is a severe logjam at LB. Waaay too many young guns for us to get another so-so season of Ellis. I want to see new blood in our pass rushing corps.

We have a log jam, of what? Pass rushers? Where? Were they hiding last year?

What we have is a supposed log jam of young, athletic, and pass rushing LBers. What we actually have is a log jam of young and athletic LBers.

There is plenty of time to go around for all of them. Wade even said so.

The Ellis swooning couch is over there, dude.

Again, please get over yourself. I am far from a Greg Ellis supporter. I just want this team to keep one of its better pass rushers UNTIL someone other than Ware can step up.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

The fact that you think an 8-9 sacks year is worth a 5th round pick, pretty much lets everyone know your knowledge on the matter.

Talk about getting over yourself: Yeah, Jarv, you are the meister of knowledge.

When you quit swooning over Ellis, you might consider his age, his disgruntleness, his coming off an injury and his never-ending profile of having potential, a fifth rounder might sound awfully good.

But I appreciate your smugness. And your vast knowledge.

I hope that when you see the young guys getting a chance and producing you will consider a fifth rounder an excellent deal. And when that happens, don't you go around pouting like your savior, Ellis.

 

[Angus]

Nobody is saying "Get rid of Ellis NOW."

At least, I'm not. But if the first few weeks of the season show that Spencer can do the job, Dallas ought to trade Ellis if a good deal can be had. Everyone will have had a chance to better evaluate the situation by then.

If he has no trade value, keep him as long as he is not disruptive and not too costly for the purpose he is used.

He can be a good player if healthy but, even healthy, he is getting old -- and Dallas should not hold on to him if a draft pick would better serve the team

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Nobody is saying "Get rid of Ellis NOW."

At least, I'm not. But if the first few weeks of the season show that Spencer can do the job, Dallas ought to trade Ellis if a good deal can be had. Everyone will have had a chance to better evaluate the situation by then.

If he has no trade value, keep him as long as he is not disruptive and not too costly for the purpose he is used.

He can be a good player if healthy but, even healthy, he is getting old -- and Dallas should not hold on to him if a draft pick would better serve the team

 

[jterrell]

Nobody is saying "Get rid of Ellis NOW."

At least, I'm not. But if the first few weeks of the season show that Spencer can do the job, Dallas ought to trade Ellis if a good deal can be had. Everyone will have had a chance to better evaluate the situation by then.

If he has no trade value, keep him as long as he is not disruptive and not too costly for the purpose he is used.

He can be a good player if healthy but, even healthy, he is getting old -- and Dallas should not hold on to him if a draft pick would better serve the team

The sad thing is you guys actually believe we will have pass rushers show up and surpass Greg Ellis in pass rushing ability. Thats actually either funny or sad, I can't decide which.

Not to rain on the parades of the saplings here but Anthony Spencer has never even played Linebacker. He is a rookie taken at the end of round one trying to learn a defense, a new scheme, a new position and deal with the increase in speed at this level. Expecting him to surpass Greg Ellis in his rookie year is as silly as expecting a top 10 pick to make Pro Bowls as some matter of fact.

Greg Ellis is Wade Phillip' starter. Its not because Wade is on a swoon couch, it is because Wade is not on the short bus. One of these days someone will beat Greg Ellis out but last year's 16th pick in the first round could not; he fell so short as to be de-activated almost weekly while Ellis was healthy. I'd advise not betting the farm on it happening this year with a mid 20's first rounder.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

From the 50,000-watt nerve center of never-ending draft-day optimism, some harsh truth for those who believe that the NFL is a young man's game and as told by Jterrell who knows the supreme truth as well.

The sad thing is you guys actually believe we will have pass rushers show up and surpass Greg Ellis in pass rushing ability. Thats actually either funny or sad, I can't decide which.

Don't be tickled. Or sad. Be happy for our optimism, O arbiter of what we should believe.

Not to rain on the parades of the saplings here but Anthony Spencer has never even played Linebacker. He is a rookie taken at the end of round one trying to learn a defense, a new scheme, a new position and deal with the increase in speed at this level..

Hmmm. Wonder why we picked someone doomed to failure under your savior Ellis.

Greg Ellis is Wade Phillip' starter.

Really? How long do you think this will be the status quo?

One of these days someone will beat Greg Ellis out.

Thank you, O great arbiter of what is or won't be, for giving us hope.


In J we trust.

 

[baj1dallas]

Or some people have unrealistic expectations.

Yea there's not really 50 "dominant" players in the league anyway. I'd say that you usually hope the top 1 or maybe 2 picks are "dominant" type players, but some years (ie last year) you don't really even get one.

 

[TexasAce]

when has Ellis ever been a leader? Having the most experience does not make one the leader. It's time for one of the young guys to step up.

Amen to that.

Ellis has never been a leader and never will be, and I certainly wouldn't anyone to follow his example at this point and time when he's acting like a sensitive little girl.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Amen to that.

Ellis has never been a leader and never will be, and I certainly wouldn't anyone to follow his example at this point and time when he's acting like a sensitive little girl.

Correction: Like an underachieving sensitive little girl.

 

[superpunk]

Sometimes, you miss the opinion zone.

Like when threads get bumped after a 22 hour hiatus, and there's nothing new or interesting to be said in them anyway.