Sturm Debunks Dak and Dunk

[erod]

I was under the impression that Tampa's defense was playing the best in the league during their 5-game winning streak. Arent they built to primarily stop the passing game since they play in the NFC South and have to face Matt Ryan, Drew Brees, and Cam Newton twice a year? That makes Dak's great night against them even more impressive.

Impressive? He didn't throw a touchdown pass, and he led us to one TD the entire game. Wow.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

And that stack you have of Vince Young, Byron Leftwich, Jake Plummer, Josh Freeman, Rex Grossman, RG3, Blake Bortles, David Carr, Elvis Grbac, Colin Kaepernick, Matt Flynn, and Brock Osweiler must be taking up a lot of space.

All of those except Young and Carr I never thought much about. Thought most of them were awful from the beginning and the running QBs were going to get hurt the way they played.

 

[percyhoward]

Hey it's not like I don't recognize the kid doesn't have blemishes, but he's so vastly out-performed my expectations that I can accept the couple imperfections...

And obviously the Cowboys' brain trust is also.

Prescott's 99.4 red zone passer rating is better Wilson (94.9), Stafford (94.3), Rivers (92.7), Carr (90.3), Cousins (83.3), and Roethlisberger (79.7).

 

[Direwolf63]

It's not an either or issue. QB play and OL play are in tandem. They gave Prescott time to throw pretty consistently and sacks don't factor into QB rating.

Are you saying it's Dak Prescott's fault for Doug Free's facemask penalty or Tyron Smith holding penalty that negated Dunbar's TD? Maybe not his entire fault, but even a contributing factor to the penalties?

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

You just can't let go of your Romo memorabilia, it's priceless.

I can actually picture some Cowboy fans crying if Dak ever wins a SB. lol

 

[erod]

BS, this offense produces tons of big plays. They're just often called back for holding.

The holding might be the reason for the big play, eh?

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

I can actually picture some Cowboy fans crying if Dak ever wins a SB. lol

'fans'

 

[jwooten15]

Sturm totally misses the point. Apparently, Jerry Falwell didn't teach mathematics very well at Liberty University, his alma mater.

Yards Per Attempt can be very misleading.

If you throw passes for 8 yards on 20 consecutive passes, you have a tremendous YPA. But you are dink and dunk.

If you throw 20 passes for 30, 2, 3, 20, 0, 1, 50, 4, etc, and total 160 yards, then you have the same YPA. But you aren't dink and dunk.

Reason number 1,000 why I hate statistics.

good point

 

[erod]

All of those except Young and Carr I never thought much about. Thought most of them were awful from the beginning and the running QBs were going to get hurt the way they played.

Dak seems to grounded and poised to fall into that lot. I certainly hope. But we've seen these flashes in the pan before, going back as far as I can remember.

If Dak was in Philly, and Wentz was here, what would be the situation? It's all relative to time and place.

 

[SDCowboy]

I don't get why this is still a discussion when the actual air yards/attempt (not just yards per) have been posted and Dak is in the top 5 in the league?

 

[erod]

You just can't let go of your Romo memorabilia, it's priceless.

Game. Set. Match.

 

[JJHLH1]

Impressive? He didn't throw a touchdown pass, and he led us to one TD the entire game. Wow.

So you don't think having the second highest completion rate in NFL history in a game with at least 30 passing attempts isn't impressive? By definition that's historic. And he did it against one of the best defenses in the league.

 

[Clove]

I can actually picture some Cowboy fans crying if Dak ever wins a SB. lol

I know, I just like playing with the Romo crowd, it's fun for me.

 

[bayeslife]

When we're talking about whether or not a guy is dinking and dunking you do. There is a very distinct difference between a quarterback who has a 55% completion rate but attempts 5 passes of more than 40 yards per game and a guy who completes 75% but only goes down the field once. The second guy might very well have better numbers, but it doesn't mean he's not a dink and dunk QB.

And Air Yards per attempt doesn't prove that because it does not account for variance. A guy who throws the ball 6-8 yards every play is going to have a similar number to a guy who alternates between 20 and 1. Using two QBs

A) 10 for 10, for 80 yards, 0 YAC and an AYA of 8.
B) 2 for 10, for 80 yards, 0 YAC and an AYA of 8.

Those are two very different quarterbacks. Player A is probably the more successful, but Player B is the down the field QB.

No, player B is the bad QB. You don't get points for throwing into poor coverage downfield.

 

[ROUSH8692]

Doesn't surprise me. I remember Romo checking down to Witten a few yards short of first down just to punt, constantly.

People act like we had the #1 offense under Romo the entire time he was QB. In reality, the offense was a liability in many situations. Especially in the red zone.

In the red zone lmao.

Romo to Dez back shoulder throw was unstoppable in 2014. While Dak cant even throw for a TD against TB

 

[willia451]

Cowboys don't throw the ball deep because we don't have WRs that can get downfield fast enough before rush gets to QB. TW is the closest person we have to Terry Glenn type speed.

But even if they could or can, they can't catch it consistently enough on a long pass to make it a staple part of the offense.

So Intermediate and Short passes is what we do almost all the time.

btw. Cowboys not alone in that department.

 

[Blake]

I know, I just like playing with the Romo crowd, it's fun for me.

They're sensitive and weak minded, most of em. Not the alpha types.

 

[erod]

So you don't think having the second highest completion rate in NFL history in a game with at least 30 passing attempts isn't impressive? By definition that's historic. And he did it against one of the best defenses in the league.

But what did it amount to? If Winston doesn't fumble in the red zone, the Dallas offense effectively produced a TD and a couple field goals. Again. For the third game in a row.

Touchdowns. That's what it's about.

 

[Clove]

Game. Set. Match.

In your mind. But I've won a long time ago. For 10 years, I've been the winner. You see, every year we go home, I've actually lost cause I'm a Cowboys fan, but I've won the Romo debate. And now that he's on the bench, I outright win.

And now we have a new young super star QB that can do big things in Dallas. And after some time, if he proves he's a choker, I'll turn on him as well. So yeah, you're right, game set match, against you.

 

[erod]

They're sensitive and weak minded, most of em. Not the alpha types.

No, they're just conversing way over your head. Ignorance is bliss.