Sturm Debunks Dak and Dunk

[Blake]

No, they're just conversing way over your head. Ignorance is bliss.

All that conversing hasn't won Romo a superbowl.

 

[Clove]

They're sensitive and weak minded, most of em. Not the alpha types.

They would be advised to not bring Romo up because I will obliterate them.

 

[fishspill]

'fans'

It's not that people like this aren't fans, it's that they have so little going for them in their lives that being right about something controversial is more valuable to their ego than anything else. I was that person before. I got better.

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

It's not that people like this aren't fans, it's that they have so little going for them in their lives that being right about something controversial is more valuable to their ego than anything else. I was that person before. I got better.

I guess I don't understand those people.

This is the happiest and most excited I've been about the present and future of the team in a long time.

 

[Direwolf63]

Prescott's 99.4 red zone passer rating is better Wilson (94.9), Stafford (94.3), Rivers (92.7), Carr (90.3), Cousins (83.3), and Roethlisberger (79.7).

Percy, I'm afraid all the facts you can dig up won't help. Romo/Dak is an emotional issue. Facts are thrown to the wayside.

But keep up the good work anyway.

 

[erod]

In your mind. But I've won a long time ago. For 10 years, I've been the winner. You see, every year we go home, I've actually lost cause I'm a Cowboys fan, but I've won the Romo debate. And now that he's on the bench, I outright win.

And now we have a new young super star QB that can do big things in Dallas. And after some time, if he proves he's a choker, I'll turn on him as well. So yeah, you're right, game set match, against you.

Let's calm down, both of us. No bad history between you and I.

Look at this with more depth. This isn't about Dak versus Romo. This is about Dak AND Romo.

Romo is a vastly better QB than Dak right now. Not even close. It's like comparing Einstein to a grad student. In time, that will change.

We don't know if Romo can take a hit anymore. Maybe he can't. But if he can, he's just better than Dak, who's playing like this is Mississippi State right now and getting away with it because he's on the best offense in the NFL.

There are so many plays on the field Romo could make that aren't getting made. No, he can't scramble out like Dak. But he can sure throw the back shoulders to Dez, and he can get receivers down the deep seam. He can check out of bad plays with ease, and he can operate much quicker in the pocket.

I want Dak to LEARN from Romo.

 

[SDCowboy]

The problem with using YPA to try to show that a QB isn't dinking and dunking is that YPA doesn't tell you how much of that 7.93 is air yards and how much is YAC.

Look at Air Yards per Attempt for the answer.
1 Winston 4.86
2 Ryan 4.84
3 Cousins 4.79
4 Mariota 4.71
5 Prescott 4.61

On Dak's average attempt of 7.93 yards, he gets 4.61 yards from air yards (5th in NFL) and 3.32 yards from YAC.

Just quoting this again since it seemed to have gotten glossed over by some.

Prescott's 99.4 red zone passer rating is better Wilson (94.9), Stafford (94.3), Rivers (92.7), Carr (90.3), Cousins (83.3), and Roethlisberger (79.7).

This too.

 

[Clove]

In the red zone lmao.

Romo to Dez back shoulder throw was unstoppable in 2014. While Dak cant even throw for a TD against TB

Well he actually did to Dunbar on a call back penalty, but I get it, the win wasn't good enough. Point taken

 

[SDCowboy]

In the red zone lmao.

Romo to Dez back shoulder throw was unstoppable in 2014. While Dak cant even throw for a TD against TB

The fact that we geniunly have fans that aren't happy with Dak still is absolutely puzzling. Parts of this fanbase are like the twilight zone sometimes.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Are you saying it's Dak Prescott's fault for Doug Free's facemask penalty or Tyron Smith holding penalty that negated Dunbar's TD? Maybe not his entire fault, but even a contributing factor to the penalties?

I'm not much interested in thinking in terms of fault. Generally speaking, when attributing arguments to me don't put them in terms or blame and fault. That is emotional analysis.

I will say that it is not as cut and dry as it is being made to seem and what you are talking about here is hardly unique to Dallas. The NFL is a flagfest.

 

[Blake]

Romo is a vastly better QB than Dak right now. Not even close.

No, he can't scramble out like Dak.

You're contradicting yourself. Amusing.

 

[ringmaster]

Seattle will be exposed without Earl Thomas. Book it.

They already are being exposed without Thomas like in the Packers game where Rodgers carved them up and even in the Rams game they won even Goff had some success against them and since we're talking about deep throws there was one where Goff put right on the money to Michael Thomas only to have it dropped and he was wide open and people want to talk about how Dallas' defense is a liability but totally ignore how huge of a liability the loss of Thomas has impacted their secondary and even their entire defense it is something we should definitely keep an eye on from now until the playoffs.

 

[Future]

You're trying to make the point that dink-and-dunk is what makes him successful. It isn't.

No, I'm not. I'm just saying that he's simply not a downfield QB right now and the YPA and other stats are inconclusive about whether he is or not.

 

[JJHLH1]

But what did it amount to? If Winston doesn't fumble in the red zone, the Dallas offense effectively produced a TD and a couple field goals. Again. For the third game in a row.

Touchdowns. That's what it's about.

He didn't throw a touchdown pass, and he led us to one TD the entire game. Wow.

You keep saying the Cowboys' offense scored one TD. Zeke had his Kettle TD. Doesn't Dak's rushing TD count for You? Maybe you aren't used to it yet since Romo only had 5 his entire career. Dak already has 6, a new Cowboys record for QB's.

 

[erod]

You're contradicting yourself. Amusing.

So Brady, Peyton, Roethlisberger......

LOL, nice junior varsity point.

 

[Clove]

Let's calm down, both of us. No bad history between you and I.

Look at this with more depth. This isn't about Dak versus Romo. This is about Dak AND Romo.

Romo is a vastly better QB than Dak right now. Not even close. It's like comparing Einstein to a grad student. In time, that will change.

We don't know if Romo can take a hit anymore. Maybe he can't. But if he can, he's just better than Dak, who's playing like this is Mississippi State right now and getting away with it because he's on the best offense in the NFL.

There are so many plays on the field Romo could make that aren't getting made. No, he can't scramble out like Dak. But he can sure throw the back shoulders to Dez, and he can get receivers down the deep seam. He can check out of bad plays with ease, and he can operate much quicker in the pocket.

I want Dak to LEARN from Romo.

Well, we don't have bad blood but here's the thing. Romo may be the better passer or not, we don't know because Dak doesn't take unnecessary chances. His unwillingness to down field as often as people would like, has actually lead us to a 12-2 win. I don't know if Romo's high flying passes mean much because of the record we have. Guys tend to think that flinging the ball all over the field is a good thing. Grinding out wins, and just winning is good.

Look at Golden State last year, putting up record numbers while Cleveland would just grind it out. Look who's the champ?

Look at Atlanta, putting up record breaking numbers but yet, they're 9-5. Flinging the ball all over the field does NOT equate to victories. It just doesn't. So if you think by Romo putting up huge passing yards, huge victory numbers is the end all to be all, you're not living in the real world of football.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Don't know what this will look like formatting-wise when I post it, but this chart, as do all others, clearly shows that YPA is total passing yards/total attempts:

RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT YDS YDS/A
1 Matt Ryan, QB ATL 319 465 4,336 9.33
2 Tom Brady, QB NE 249 372 3,064 8.24
3 Kirk Cousins, QB WSH 366 542 4,360 8.04
4 Dak Prescott, QB DAL 292 431 3,418 7.93

I was wrong

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Prescott's 99.4 red zone passer rating is better Wilson (94.9), Stafford (94.3), Rivers (92.7), Carr (90.3), Cousins (83.3), and Roethlisberger (79.7).

It's 15th overall. In a league of 32 starters that is mediocre to me.

IOW, it's worse than Brees, Rodgers, Rivers, Ryan, Bortles, Luck, Mariota, Pamer, Winston, Brady, Carr, Manning, Stafford, and Flacco.

Biasing out the undesirable outcome is confirmation bias.

 

[Blackspider214]

Regardless of YPA, it is clear as day that Dak's biggest strength is the short passing game, and there is no problem with that. It should be noted Dak is at a higher pass % than anyone on that list which inherently gives him a higher YPA and does not debunk Dak and dunk. Anyways-- nothing wrong with his short passing mistake free approach, we could win the SB with that if the OL dominates and the D plays as well as they have thus far.

People act like Romo was Culpepper and Brad Johnson with the old Vikings teams and throwing bombs all over the field. Anything but. How often did he check down? A lot. And his deep ball was not that accurate. He missed on tons of them. I remember gripes that we didn't have a QB who get the ball well down the field with any sort of accuracy.

It's natural for a rookie to make the safer throws. He hasn't even had an offseason after being a starter yet. His reads will continue to get better. Dak knows what he's doing out there. And he has the ability to go down the field. But I don't want another Romo here, who is a poor man's Favre. And gun slinging and taking chances that are not necessary.

You want to see what a real dink and dunk offense looks like, go watch Wentz and the Eagles tomorrow night.

 

[erod]

You keep saying the Cowboys' offense scored one TD. Zeke had his Kettle TD. Doesn't Dak's rushing TD count for You? Maybe you aren't used to it yet since Romo only had 5 his entire career. Dak already has 6, a new Cowboys record.

I'm talking about offensive drives. When the special teams recovers a fumble inside the 5 (like in Minnesota), or when Winston fumbles in the red zone, that's not exactly the offense creating those points.

The offense moves the ball a bit, then falls apart and hopes Dan Bailey can deliver. That's troubling.