Sturm says Dak most valuable pick in NFL history

[Maverick84]

hmm, I'd have to go with Montavious Stanley personally

 

[drawandstrike]

I think Strum is referring to draft pick position + immediate contribution. Brady didn't do anything his rookie season.

That's it exactly. Brady only made an appearance in one single game his rookie season. Brady was 1/3 for 6 yards in one series vs Detroit in week 13 in 2000 after Bledsoe had to come out of the game.

 

[Clove]

Q: Bob who is the best value pick for Dallas in the draft? Prescott has been incredible for a fourth rounder, but Anthony Brown hasn't been too bad for a sixth rounder either...who's more valuable at where they were taken?

OK, allow me to clear this up. Based on the position of the pick and the team's distance from the playoffs without the pick, the value of Dak Prescott's selection and subsequent success is perhaps the best value for any franchise and any year since the draft started.

In other words, bonita fish are big and Dak Prescott is your answer. What he is doing is upsetting the apple cart for the entire history of football. There are probably no real comparisons. Either rookie QBs have limited success or they were taken at the top of the draft and still had limited success. This is absurdly unprecedented.

He's talking about success as a rookie, not overall success as a QB. As a rookie, there is no better in the history of the NFL other than Dak Prescott. Now what happens next year and the subsequent years is unknown, and Tom Brady is the best QB ever (pending cheating) so far.

 

[DakotaReign]

You boys aren't understanding what Bob is saying.

He is talking on the return of investment per draft 'dollar' and he is projecting a career arc into the future with the idea that Dak will continue playing as he is now.

Stat guys--and Bob is one--look at things like Approximate Value, which tries to assign a mathematical value to each players contributions towards winning football.

You can see an AV ranking of all players all-time, here:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/career_av_career.htm

Meanwhile many of us are familiar with the draft table where there are points connected to each draft pick. This past draft here is how draft 'points' where spent.
Goff cost 3000 draft points
Wentz cost 2600 draft points
Zak costs a mere 96 points

So the return on investment, of 96 Cowboy draft is already amazing, and projects to be out of this world.

Romo wasn't drafted at all, so his value...one could say is...INFINITE!

Fantastic post!

 

[Craig]

Holy hyperbole

 

[DakotaReign]

Dak is the greatest QB to ever live, all things considered. He is practically a Tom Brady but with more skills. Ive been saying this for years and it is starting to come to light to everyone else. He will be the Michael Jordan of football... And Dallas got him in the 4th round. I would say for sure it is unprecedented.

Michael Jordan of football?? Smh Michael Vick was supposed to be the Michael Jordan of football. Then Reggie Bush was supposed to be the Michael Jordan of football.

Ill settle for the Kawhi Leonard of football.

 

[Clove]

Dak is the greatest QB to ever live, all things considered. He is practically a Tom Brady but with more skills. Ive been saying this for years and it is starting to come to light to everyone else. He will be the Michael Jordan of football... And Dallas got him in the 4th round. I would say for sure it is unprecedented.

I'm not going to laugh at you because you may be right, but it hasn't been proven yet so I would not go there. But I will mark this down, cause in 10 years you may be the genius.

 

[drawandstrike]

That's not the claim. The claim is that Dak has been the greatest value draft pick in NFL history based on his rookie year. Who would you place above him?

people seem to glide right over the 'based on his rookie year' qualifier. Brady did zilch his rookie year. Montana? Zilch.

Dak is off to an historic start for a ROOKIE QB in his first year in the league.

 

[JJHLH1]

Dak is the greatest QB to ever live, all things considered. He is practically a Tom Brady but with more skills. Ive been saying this for years and it is starting to come to light to everyone else. He will be the Michael Jordan of football... And Dallas got him in the 4th round. I would say for sure it is unprecedented.

I don't know what the future holds but I got to give you credit so far Gabe, you have said this all along in regards to Dak, which is very impressive indeed.

 

[Clove]

Value vs pick. His value is 4th rounder. Bob's saying, for the value, he's the best pick ever based on what he's doing as a ROOKIE. Brady was a 6th round pick, but he didn't do anything his rookie season so he doesn't count.
Whether he was a 1st or 4th rounder, he's breaking records as a rookie that no draft pick in the history of the NFL has ever done.

I hope this clears up any confusion.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

Dak is an awesome pick, but calling him the best ever is premature. If I remember right I think Joe Montana was picked in the 3rd round. I'd say he did pretty well. Ben Roethlisberger won the Super Bowl in his second year.

 

[drawandstrike]

Dak is an awesome pick, but calling him the best ever is premature. If I remember right I think Joe Montana was picked in the 3rd round. I'd say he did pretty well. Ben Roethlisberger won the Super Bowl in his second year.

Ah Big Ben, another guy who stunk it up as a rookie, didn't do anything.

 

[KJJ]

I think Strum is referring to draft pick position + immediate contribution. Brady didn't do anything his rookie season.

I didn't read the article, I just went by the thread title. Stern is still going a bit over board to make that statement after 12 games. Should allow the season to play out completely before making a statement like that.

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

What Dak is doing is unprecedented.

Such drastic claims after 12 games are more for click bait than anything else.

Lets revisit this in 5-10 years. Dak is an amazing player thus far though.

 

[Gabe]

I don't know what the future holds but I got to give you credit so far Gabe, you have said this all along in regards to Dak, which is very impressive indeed.

I've been saying this since his sophomore year in college. I've had a lot of people ridicule me for even saying he had NFL talent while in college. Growing up watching SEC football I've seen the best play the game. Dak is hands down the best I've ever seen, at any level.

 

[Clove]

Dak is an awesome pick, but calling him the best ever is premature. If I remember right I think Joe Montana was picked in the 3rd round. I'd say he did pretty well. Ben Roethlisberger won the Super Bowl in his second year.

You must have me on ignore. I said ROOKIE. What did Joe do as a rookie?

 

[Craig]

Terrell davis would be my pick.

 

[JJHLH1]

I've been saying this since his sophomore year in college. I've had a lot of people ridicule me for even saying he had NFL talent while in college. Growing up watching SEC football I've seen the best play the game. Dak is hands down the best I've ever seen, at any level.

The fact that Dak took Mississippi State (!) to the #1 ranking in the country for the first time in their 118 year history says a lot about his ability to elevate his team.

 

[ksadler1]

Ridiculous.

Dak inherited the best offensive line in football, the next Adrian Peterson in the draft, a Hall of Fame tight end, and a terrific group of receivers.

Dak is great value in the 4th round, but he's no Tom Brady, Roger Staubach, or Warren Moon in draft value. He's not even Tony Romo.

I guess that depends on how you interpret value. It can argued that Dak is just as valuable to the NFL as he is to the Cowboys. The NFL does much better when the Dallas Cowboys are relevant. Does it really matter how Dak "came to be"? And while Dak did inherit a lot of good things here, he had no control over that. Yes, Romo was a better value being a UDFA, but had it not been for Quincy's pot smoking, Romo would have been gone. So we can all say how crazy it is that Dak is even here, or how he got here, but Romo's story is pretty much the same. As a matter of fact, Romo came real close to becoming a NO Saint. I could care less how either "came to be", as long as they did it here.

It may sound like it erod, but just to be clear, I'm not dogging your post at all.....

 

[Reverend Conehead]

You must have me on ignore. I said ROOKIE. What did Joe do as a rookie?

The title says most valuable pick. It doesn't say it has to be a rookie. Btw, I could not read the article. The page demands a subscription.