Switching to 4-3

[CF74]

Maybe you should read and shouldn't assume and maybe I am simply not a blind homer as you are.......our Safeties and secondary have been a problem in coverage. How you can't see or admit that (especially the Saints game) is unbelievable, you sound like a Skins fan that refuses to acknowledge an area of weakness. You stating that the Safeties were not a problem in a game when our D gives up 500 yards passing and 5 Tds is beyond belief........the whole D sucked, yes, but for you to not acknowledge that we have been burned on the big play and the deep balls over the middle all year is the sign of a true blind homer.

Watkins alone has given up what? 5 or 6 deep TD passes? Davis? 4 or 5? Williams? 3 or 4? Anybody got official stats on this??

 

[Deputy493]

I don't know how many games you watch but our guys still get in the backfield from the 3-4, just not in time. It seems to me we are always 2 or 3 steps away from getting a sack on many plays. Adding one more big guy on the line will free up somebody to get thru quickly and more often.


And ya know it..


Is it the "cure?" Maybe or maybe not, but doing the same ole thing and expecting different results is not gonna cut it, I don't have enough booze in my house for that

I've watched pretty much every game since 1972........and I also recall us whinning about the 4-3 two years ago, now we want it back......the 3-4 was put into help the pass rush, now we want to go back to the occupy, bend don't break 4-3 scheme of Zimmer.........I remember our last playoff game well, when we ran the 4-3 and our secondary got burned on the deep ball.......not many things seem to have changed.

 

[Deputy493]

Maybe you should read.

I've stated:

1) The safeties have been a problem in coverage.
2) Bradie James sucks in coverage.
3) Pass rush has been a problem.
4) Anthony Henry gets burned.

Yeah, I'm a "homer."

Learn to make a real argument and back it up with facts. You're a joke.

You should try DCFU, there's a board that is your speed, blind homerism at its best.........my argument was very simple, yet seemed to fly over your head, way over. And I didn't think there would be much of an argument about our Safeties sucking in coverage.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

I don't know how many games you watch but our guys still get in the backfield from the 3-4, just not in time. It seems to me we are always 2 or 3 steps away from getting a sack on many plays.

Yes, the most frustrating things this season has been seeing Ware round the corner ONE nanosecond too late, or Canty make a great move that comes an instant after the qb has gotten the ball off.

 

[CF74]

4) Anthony Henry gets burned.

Doesn't Henry lead the league in "Deflected" passes. It seems to me he gets picked on more and the law of averages dictates he's eventually gonna give up plays. He's not the problem, it's the Safety support or lack there of that's the real issue here..

 

[theogt]

You should try DCFU, there's a board that is your speed.........my argument was very simple, yet seemed to fly over your head, way over. And I didn't think there would be much of an argument about our Safetues sucking in coverage.

Another substance-filled post.

 

[theogt]

Doesn't Henry lead the league in "Deflected" passes. It seems to me he gets picked on more and the law of averages dictates he's eventually gonna give up plays. He's not the problem, it's the Safety support or lack there of that's the real issue here..

Henry is a problem when he gets "burned" by players with such uncanny speed as Keyshawn Johnson.

 

[Deputy493]

Another substance-filled post.

well what the hell have you said?

Nothing.

I point out that the 4-3 will not hide our weakness at Safety and the secondary in general.......you go onto rant about how the Safeties have not been the problem..........and you have also managed to not respond to your idiotic premise that the Saefties were not a problem against the Saints when our D was burned for 500 yards.

 

[CF74]

I've watched pretty much every game since 1972........and I also recall us whinning about the 4-3 two years ago, now we want it back......the 3-4 was put into help the pass rush, now we want to go back to the occupy, bend don't break 4-3 scheme of Zimmer.........I remember our last playoff game well, when we ran the 4-3 and our secondary got burned on the deep ball.......not many things seem to have changed.

Well I wasn't one of the guys "whinning" about the 4-3.:laugh1:

And the 3-4 appears to be diminshing our pass rush.

I don't know what the answer is but I'm willing to change it up to find out..

 

[theogt]

well what the hell have you said?

Nothing.

I point out that the 4-3 will not hide our weakness at Safety and the secondary in general.......you go onto rant about how the Safeties have not been the problem..........and you have also managed to not respond to your idiotic premise that the Saefties were not a problem against the Saints when our D was burned for 500 yards.

How many deep passes were given up as a result of safety coverage in that game?

 

[cowboys19]

So going to a 4-3 will magicallly fix that?

it might help?

we need to try something

 

[Deputy493]

He's not the problem, it's the Safety support or lack there of that's the real issue here..

Exactly, and everyone else seems to see that except for homer boy.

 

[CF74]

Yes, the most frustrating things this season has been seeing Ware round the corner ONE nanosecond too late, or Canty make a great move that comes an instant after the qb has gotten the ball off.

Would you like a dry martini with that sarcasm??:laugh2:

 

[Deputy493]

it might help?

we need to try something

I am not really that against it, it couldn't get worse than the past 3 weeks, but I don't see how that will significantly change those weak areas in coverage........which is why I give the example of the Carolina playoff game, we ran the 4-3 and got burned just as badly because of the same type of problems.

 

[CF74]

Henry is a problem when he gets "burned" by players with such uncanny speed as Keyshawn Johnson.

Everybody loses their footing once in a while

 

[theogt]

I am not really that against it, it couldn't get worse than the past 3 weeks, but I don't see how that will significantly change those weak areas in coverage........which is why I give the example of the Carolina playoff game, we ran the 4-3 and got burned just as badly because of the same type of problems.

Gonna answer my question? How many deep balls were given up by safeties in the Saints and Philly games?

It's been about 3 pages and you've yet to give an answer.

 

[TtownCowboy]

I am not really that against it, it couldn't get worse than the past 3 weeks, but I don't see how that will significantly change those weak areas in coverage........which is why I give the example of the Carolina playoff game, we ran the 4-3 and got burned just as badly because of the same type of problems.

It seems Parcells is more concerned w/his lack of pass rush than he is the coverage or lack there of by the safties. This is an old arguement that will not be decided one way or another on this board.

Some believe we need a better ball-hawking free-safety, but others believe a consistent pass rush and pressure on the QB will actually help the secondary not have to cover so long and keep them from getting burned on the long ball. I tend to be in the latter. A good pass rush can put pressure on the QB and make your secondary, even our troubled safeties, look really good. Book it.

At the end of the day it's a difference in philosophies. And the difference in today's possible 4-3 and the one that lost to the Panthers in 2003 I think is suppost to be superb talent on this defense. I guess we'll see.

 

[Deputy493]

Gonna answer my question? How many deep balls were given up by safeties in the Saints and Philly games?

It's been about 3 pages and you've yet to give an answer.

well, does it matter what I say? Because you will blame someone else no matter what I say.......

what plays come to mind, well the two middle deep pass plays to Jones in the Saints game just before half.......one was reversed (which should not have been), then we turn around and give up a TD to him on pretty much the same play after the 15 yard penalty.........where was the Safety on that play or whose fault was that, since I know you will refuse o blame our Safeties.

Devery Henderson had 2 catches for 92 yards and a TD....is that all on Henry or did a Safety not get over in time or fulfill his assignment?

Who's fault was it that Schobel was wide open in the middle of the field for a TD the other day? Whos' fault was the long screen to LJ Smith? Let me guess everyone else but a Safety.

The fact of the matter is, all I know is our Safeties have been out of position, blowing assignments and we have been getting burned over the middle all year long.............if you choose to ignore that, well that's your problem..........you think our Safety play has been just fine, I don't.........I am not excusing other parts of the defense at all, but to ignore the glaring weakness of the coverage problems our safeties have had all year is simply idiotic.

Williams is 31, right?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Deputy, you've got some great logic there. Our safeties stink, so we should just play out the string doing the exact same thing that HASN'T worked the last several games instead of trying to add some new wrinkles.

Brilliant.

 

[CF74]

It seems Parcells is more concerned w/his lack of pass rush than he is the coverage or lack there of by the safties. This is an old arguement that will not be decided one way or another on this board.

Some believe we need a better ball-hawking free-safety, but others believe a consistent pass rush and pressure on the QB will actually help the secondary not have to cover so long and keep them from getting burned on the long ball. I tend to be in the latter. A good pass rush can put pressure on the QB and make your secondary, even our troubled safeties, look really good. Book it.

At the end of the day it's a difference in philosophies. And the difference in today's possible 4-3 and the one that lost to the Panthers in 2003 I think is suppost to be superb talent on this defense. I guess we'll see.

We need both to be successful, especially in the post season but without even an average pass rush the best safties in the league will eventually give up plays..