Switzer probably not playing Saturday

[MichaelWinicki]

I'm not saying you're wrong - but I don't understand what the big difference is between running in college and running in the pros.

I know college practices are limited to so many hours a week but I also know in the offseason players work out for hours on their own at the school facility including wind sprints, weights and drills and from friends I know who played Division I football, those workouts are brutal.

Why all of a sudden do you get to camp which involves the same running and cutting you are getting hamstring pulls. Also, I've been to training camp many times and there's a lot of standing around in between drills or scrimmage. It's not like it's two hours of nonstop action. I don't get it.

Because it's probably been months since he did any in depth training even at the college level.

 

[Aven8]

I love the uniform, the logo, the franchise but I hate the people running the team.

Hey we still lead the league in trophies at least! 5 SB trophies and 15 participation trophies!!

 

[Verdict]

I'd like to see him, since it would be fun to watch, but generally don't care if we're holding a guy out over concern about his hamstring. Given our track record for finding and developing offensive starters and key role players in Dallas over recent years, it makes no sense to get butthurt over stuff like this.

We went through the same cycle of complaints last season when Elliott only had a half dozen snaps or whatever. Right before he went on to league the entire league in rushing.

If these are the problems around here, I'd love some problems on defense. The real problem isn't with how we evaluate the talent we do have. It's with not having enough good players on that side of the ball in the first place.

I look at this different than many do. I think they view Switzer as at least a part time starter and they aren't taking any chances with him. He is getting Elliott treatment so that he will be healthy when it's game time.

 

[Idgit]

I look at this different than many do. I think they view Switzer as at least a part time starter and they aren't taking any chances with him. He is getting Elliott treatment so that he will be healthy when it's game time.

Well, if nothing else, we're dependent on him in the return game for both units for the regular season. Rejnjuring a hamstring just so fans can see him play in preseason would be stupid.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I look at this different than many do. I think they view Switzer as at least a part time starter and they aren't taking any chances with him. He is getting Elliott treatment so that he will be healthy when it's game time.

Well he's not Zeke. Fair enough that he is our only choice on special teams, which is a bad position to be in, but he needs reps.

If he doesn't take a rep all preseason but is standing under the first punt in the Giants game......sorry any Cowboy fan should be nervous, cause he will probably be sweating bullets.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Soft tissue injuries are more common place since they NFLPA argued for less practice and OTA work.

This is so true and a much bigger problem than most think.

 

[Bigwheelz34]

I have a hard time ranking Butler or Switzer 4th or 5th like one is ahead of the other because if Cole Beasley gets hurt then Switzer is gonna get more play in the slot but if Dez gets hurt then its gonna be Butler. So its situational IMO.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

This is so true and a much bigger problem than most think.

But many do not take the changes the CBA made into consideration.

They think it's still 1990 and the team can have guys work out whenever they wish and as often as they wish.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

The new CBA doesn't give coaches a chance to prepare the rookies for camp.

Players didn't have near the number of injuries 20 years ago that they have today.

This is simply just nonsense.

Not only did you have limited ability to really compare injuries today vs 20 years ago due to limited relative information flow today vs yesteryear....

How do you explain all the veterans who have gone down here and around the league this (and every) offseason. Are ODB and Edelman inadequately repaired rookies?

This is football. Injuries happen.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Yep. Pretty much exactly. I'm not sure what we were supposed to get worked up about, anyway. The guy's had a hamstring injury. That's not something you just power through because you're tough. That leads to constant recurrence. Which leads to threads about cutting guys because they're always injured.

Or posts about our idiot coward coaches not forcing guys to play on a bad hamstring.

In other news same posters lambasted players like Miles.

 

[unionjack8]

It's frustrating.
I truly think although I don't have the stats rhat limited off season conditioning with the strength coach doesnt help the players.
But hey the NFLPA gotta win on that so that's all thet care about

 

[FLcowboy]

I'm glad that you aren't making the roster decisions then...

If you cut any of our top 5 draft picks, they will be as good as gone to another team.

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Not if they are on IR.

 

[erod]

This is simply just nonsense.

Not only did you have limited ability to really compare injuries today vs 20 years ago due to limited relative information flow today vs yesteryear....

How do you explain all the veterans who have gone down here and around the league this (and every) offseason. Are ODB and Edelman inadequately repaired rookies?

This is football. Injuries happen.

Nope.

Hamstring injuries are often a simple sign of lack of preparedness. Lewis, Awuzie, Switzer, and lots of rookies around the league are suffering them, as well as more and more veterans at higher rates.

Not my theory. It's the consensus theory of teams and trainers across the NFL.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Nope.

Hamstring injuries are often a simple sign of lack of preparedness. Lewis, Awuzie, Switzer, and lots of rookies around the league are suffering them, as well as more and more veterans at higher rates.

Not my theory. It's the consensus theory of teams and trainers across the NFL.

OK. Well please share with me this data. The league wide hamstring injury rates today as compared to 1990. And also the consensus research reports from teams and trainers league wide. I must have missed the league office releasing this information.

 

[xwalker]

Completely different situation. That was an injury severe enough that you knew he was gone for the preseason. This is a day to day hamstring strain that allows him to practice but not play.

Thanks for playing. Parting gifts at the door.

Your original post:

"So how does Ryan Switzer make the roster when he's done absolutely nothing to earn it?

Welcome to the problem around here."

If 2 players miss the preseason due to injuries, how does 1 earn it and the other does not just because their injuries are different?

 

[erod]

OK. Well please share with me this data. The league wide hamstring injury rates today as compared to 1990. And also the consensus research reports from teams and trainers league wide. I must have missed the league office releasing this information.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ays-2011-cba-is-cause-of-increase-in-injuries

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ays-2011-cba-is-cause-of-increase-in-injuries

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...les-contributing-to-rash-of-serious-injuries/

https://www.fanragsports.com/colts/chuck-pagano-getting-tired-injuries-cba-issues-cause/

 

[Risen Star]

Your original post:

"So how does Ryan Switzer make the roster when he's done absolutely nothing to earn it?

Welcome to the problem around here."

If 2 players miss the preseason due to injuries, how does 1 earn it and the other does not just because their injuries are different?

If a player gets legitimately injured to the point you know he's not playing in the preseason, that's part of the game.

If a player gets a strain, practices but never plays....and that decision comes from the player, he should be cut. You can't do it with a 1st or 2nd round pick but a schlub like the midget you can. If you sit out the preseason by choice you don't deserve to make the roster.

But I don't believe this comes from Switzer. This is par for the course for the ladies running this team.

 

[dallasdave]

If a player gets legitimately injured to the point you know he's not playing in the preseason, that's part of the game.

If a player gets a strain, practices but never plays....and that decision comes from the player, he should be cut. You can't do it with a 1st or 2nd round pick but a schlub like the midget you can. If you sit out the preseason by choice you don't deserve to make the roster.

But I don't believe this comes from Switzer. This is par for the course by the ladies running this team.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ays-2011-cba-is-cause-of-increase-in-injuries

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ays-2011-cba-is-cause-of-increase-in-injuries

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...les-contributing-to-rash-of-serious-injuries/

https://www.fanragsports.com/colts/chuck-pagano-getting-tired-injuries-cba-issues-cause/

You listed one article twice. The first article has McCarthy saying "I don't know the statistics."

The 2nd article with Polian states "It's way to early to blame injuries on new CBA"

The 3rd article specifically singles out rookies which has nothing to do with the significant amount of vets who get hurt every offseason. It says the Vets have it figured out but the rookies just...apparently...run around clueless for 5 weeks before TC begins.

All ancedotes and from only 2 teams (packers and colts) who were particularly hard hit in injuries the past few years. Again, where is the actual statistical analysis?

When players were being injured before the CBA we blamed it on football. Today we blame it on not doing more football things. Its nonsensical.

 

[erod]

You listed one article twice. The first article has McCarthy saying "I don't know the statistics."

The 2nd article with Polian states "It's way to early to blame injuries on new CBA"

The 3rd article specifically singles out rookies which has nothing to do with the significant amount of vets who get hurt every offseason. It says the Vets have it figured out but the rookies just...apparently...run around clueless for 5 weeks before TC begins.

All ancedotes and from only 2 teams (packers and colts) who were particularly hard hit in injuries the past few years. Again, where is the actual statistical analysis?

When players were being injured before the CBA we blamed it on football. Today we blame it on not doing more football things. Its nonsensical.

I realize deductive reasoning power might be a complicated process.

Marinelli and Woicik have discussed it. Daryl Johnston has discussed it. Michael Irvin has discussed it. They don't get their hands on players but for a couple of weeks after the draft before camp. They can't prepare them.
Hamstring injuries are rampant. Look.