T.O. Was Not The Problem

[chinch]

still can't believe TO is banished to Buffalo.

:laugh2:

perfect place for him the NFL Siberia

 

[JonJon]

Name one.

Name a single poster (or media member, for that matter) who has argued that Owens was solely and entirely to blame for all the Cowboys troubles in 2008.

Go on, we'll wait...

Oh, I could call names, but I'm not going to single anyone out. It really is not that hard to find.

No they don't. They just won't hold TO guiltless.

I'm not speaking of those who just generally wanted Owens gone; I am talking of those that hated TO before he even got here and think all is well now that he is gone. It has nothing to do with what happened to the team in 2009. These guys just hate TO and are using him as a scapegoat for all the Cowboy problems.

ah. I have always loved the extremism of the word "Haters"...NOT.

How many offers from other teams do you think Romo would get if he was released tomorrow? And do you think his final offer might be better than a one year offer from the Bills? Yet he is "much much more" to blame for the losses. Interesting.

Hell, even Garrett got more offers two years ago...and at least had a few teams interview him...than Owens.

The NFL has told you what it thinks of the value of Owens...not the "haters" He signed a one year contract, with a team that is mediocre at best because that's the best, and probably only offer he got. He signed on to a small market team which probably killed him to do so. This after the Cowboys took a 9 million $ hit to release him.

Haters? I don't think so.

Anybody can throw numbers around and it does nothing to back up your point. I am not saying Owens was faultless; he went about things the wrong way with his arguments. I just do not like that Romo and Garrett continue to get a free pass when Romo played like crap late in the season and Garrett could not figure out a way to get the offense out of 2nd gear. It was so bad that we struggled to even get first downs. Yet Owens is labled as the reason for failure? You gotta be kidding me....

jdub2k4 >>> :spanking: <<< Juke99

:tongue:

 

[Hostile]

Oh, I could call names, but I'm not going to single anyone out. It really is not that hard to find.


I'm not speaking of those who just generally wanted Owens gone; I am talking of those that hated TO before he even got here and think all is well now that he is gone. It has nothing to do with what happened to the team in 2009. These guys just hate TO and are using him as a scapegoat for all the Cowboy problems.

I don't believe such a person exists on this forum.

Anybody can throw numbers around and it does nothing to back up your point. I am not saying Owens was faultless; he went about things the wrong way with his arguments. I just do not like that Romo and Garrett continue to get a free pass when Romo played like crap late in the season and Garrett could not figure out a way to get the offense out of 2nd gear. It was so bad that we struggled to even get first downs. Yet Owens is labled as the reason for failure? You gotta be kidding me....

I guess you see what you want to see. I see Garrett being basically vilified by the fans here and I see a whole bunch of people who think Romo does not have what it takes. I have yet to see this so-called free pass they've gotten.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Name one.

Name a single poster (or media member, for that matter) who has argued that Owens was solely and entirely to blame for all the Cowboys troubles in 2008.

Go on, we'll wait...

No they don't. They just won't hold TO guiltless.

ah. I have always loved the extremism of the word "Haters"...NOT.

How many offers from other teams do you think Romo would get if he was released tomorrow? And do you think his final offer might be better than a one year offer from the Bills? Yet he is "much much more" to blame for the losses. Interesting.

Hell, even Garrett got more offers two years ago...and at least had a few teams interview him...than Owens.

The NFL has told you what it thinks of the value of Owens...not the "haters" He signed a one year contract, with a team that is mediocre at best because that's the best, and probably only offer he got. He signed on to a small market team which probably killed him to do so. This after the Cowboys took a 9 million $ hit to release him.

Haters? I don't think so.

how often on CZ do you get three great posts in a row?

 

[BrassCowboy]

Oh, I could call names, but I'm not going to single anyone out. It really is not that hard to find.

of course not....

I'm not speaking of those who just generally wanted Owens gone; I am talking of those that hated TO before he even got here and think all is well now that he is gone. It has nothing to do with what happened to the team in 2009. These guys just hate TO and are using him as a scapegoat for all the Cowboy problems.

I did not want Owens at all, did not likle him and thought he would be too much for this team before he got here, but I warmed up to the idea and actually liked him for awhile there after he was signed til a year ago. Last year though, you could see how his selfishness was holding this team back. To deny the need to get rid of TO is just bias, sorry that is the truth and has yet to be argued against very well.

Anybody can throw numbers around and it does nothing to back up your point. I am not saying Owens was faultless; he went about things the wrong way with his arguments. I just do not like that Romo and Garrett continue to get a free pass when Romo played like crap late in the season and Garrett could not figure out a way to get the offense out of 2nd gear. It was so bad that we struggled to even get first downs. Yet Owens is labled as the reason for failure? You gotta be kidding me....

so what are you saying? we should cut Romo? I will say Garrett is a ? for me and I may be inclined to agree with you that alot of problems rest on his shoulders as well, but it only benefits Garrett and Romo with TO gone. When Romo started, he threw to whoever was open and that worked VERY well for him but as time went on and the more TO cried and moaned to anyone who would listen (coaches, media), the more Romo forced throws and Garrett called an offense for one guy.

Well, that distraction is gone and coaching staff can concentrate on the WHOLE team, and Romo can throw to whomever is open.

My signature says it all.

 

[Juke99]

Anybody can throw numbers around and it does nothing to back up your point. I am not saying Owens was faultless; he went about things the wrong way with his arguments. I just do not like that Romo and Garrett continue to get a free pass when Romo played like crap late in the season and Garrett could not figure out a way to get the offense out of 2nd gear. It was so bad that we struggled to even get first downs. Yet Owens is labled as the reason for failure? You gotta be kidding me....

:tongue:

Sorry, that's not what you said...you wrote that Romo and Garrett were "much much more" at fault.

Where did I throw numbers around. I asked you a simple question.

How can you look right in the eyes of facts and be blind? I don't have to make my point, the NFL already did. Owens is such a sought after talent, that he grabbed a ONE YEAR contract (hell, even Manny got TWO from the Dodgers) only two days after getting cut, to play with the BUFFALO BILLS...why? Because he KNEW he wasn't going to get an offer from anywhere else...or he would have waited.

My argument is made by the NFL.

he's over rated and when his talent was to notch, he was worth all the garbage. He no longer is. I'm not saying that...the NFL is.

 

[Hostile]

Sorry, that's not what you said...you wrote that Romo and Garrett were "much much more" at fault.

Where did I throw numbers around. I asked you a simple question.

How can you look right in the eyes of facts and be blind? I don't have to make my point, the NFL already did. Owens is such a sought after talent, that he grabbed a ONE YEAR contract (hell, even Manny got TWO from the Dodgers) only two days after getting cut, to play with the BUFFALO BILLS...why? Because he KNEW he wasn't going to get an offer from anywhere else...or he would have waited.

My argument is made by the NFL.

he's over rated and when his talent was to notch, he was worth all the garbage. He no longer is. I'm not saying that...the NFL is.

Did he look enthusiastic at that PC?

"No get your snow cones ready."

He's lucky Buffalo did want him.

 

[Cochese]

My point exactly...that's why I mention:

TO didn't throw 3INTs vs Pittsburgh.
TO didn't throw 2INTs vs Baltimore
TO didn't throw an INT vs Philadelphia
TO didn't lose a fumble vs Pittsburgh
TO didn't lose 2 fumbles vs Philadelphia
TO didn't get sacked 3 times vs Pittsburgh
TO didn't get sacked 4 times vs NYGiants
TO didn't get sacked 2 times vs Baltimore
TO didn't get sacked 3 times vs Philadelphia
TO didn't fail to gain OVER 100yds rushing in each of the last 4 games.
TO didn't give up a 77yd rushing TD vs Baltimore
TO didn't give up an 82yd rushing TD vs Baltimore
TO didn't fumble and have it returned 73yds for a TD vs Philadelphia
TO didn't fumble and have it returned 96yds for a TD vs Philadelphia

Do you really want me to show you all of his LEAGUE LEADING drops from this past year? I have a feeling that would shut your ******* up real quick.

 

[JonJon]

Sorry, that's not what you said...you wrote that Romo and Garrett were "much much more" at fault.

Where did I throw numbers around. I asked you a simple question.

How can you look right in the eyes of facts and be blind? I don't have to make my point, the NFL already did. Owens is such a sought after talent, that he grabbed a ONE YEAR contract (hell, even Manny got TWO from the Dodgers) only two days after getting cut, to play with the BUFFALO BILLS...why? Because he KNEW he wasn't going to get an offer from anywhere else...or he would have waited.

My argument is made by the NFL.

he's over rated and when his talent was to notch, he was worth all the garbage. He no longer is. I'm not saying that...the NFL is.

Ok, lets put what I asked in a scenario compared to your answer and see if it makes any sense:

Announcer: Name a reason why Owens is more to blame for the Dallas Cowboys season failures than Romo and Garrett.

Juke99 says: Because Romo would have gotten more offers and Garrett did, in fact, get more offers from other teams while Owens only signed a one year deal with the Buffalo Bills.

Announcer: And the survey says....
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Sorry, but that does not prove why Owens is more to blame than Romo and Garrett. Those things happened after the fact and are irrelevant to the question.

 

[chinch]

you don't seem to have a passion for logic or reason but lemme recap...

Romo was badly hurt vs AZ and suffered all year.

Garrett was deplorable and discombobulated to put it nicely. Sophomore slump, total ineptitute or somewhere in between.

By week 5-6 our house (team) needed some TLC and fixin' up.

Unfortunately Mr Stale Popcorn then proceeded to TORCH THE PLACE in a fit of toddler-like-narcissism. The kind that is with him his entire life & NFL career. Threw our best teammate under the Bus (#82) and disgraced himself while disparaging coaches and saying stupid stuff "i can't throw to myself" or "they unleashed me" ROTFLMAO (the 49ers coaches unleashed him and Romo pandered to him).

So even if Romo and Red Genius are MORE TO BLAME than TO the long term prospect of TO is that he's worthless to the team at this time.

Worthless roter spot, worthless salary, TOTAL waste of time.

pretty easy to grasp huh? unless you think the NFL is fantasy or madden video games that is.

Ok, lets put what I asked in a scenario compared to your answer and see if it makes any sense:

Announcer: Name a reason why Owens is more to blame for the Dallas Cowboys season failures than Romo and Garrett.

Juke99 says: Because Romo would have gotten more offers and Garrett did, in fact, get more offers from other teams while Owens only signed a one year deal with the Buffalo Bills.

Announcer: And the survey says....
http://img24.*************/img24/1305/sf42eeeea38714910ad6ef7.jpg

Sorry, but that does not prove why Owens is more to blame than Romo and Garrett. Those things happened after the fact and are irrelevant to the question.

 

[tyke1doe]

Oh, I could call names, but I'm not going to single anyone out. It really is not that hard to find.

Why not? If they've already posted an opinion in this forum, they've already singled themselves out. So what's the harm in merely providing a link to the opinion.

I'm not speaking of those who just generally wanted Owens gone; I am talking of those that hated TO before he even got here and think all is well now that he is gone. It has nothing to do with what happened to the team in 2009. These guys just hate TO and are using him as a scapegoat for all the Cowboy problems.

What does "hate" T.O. mean?

What most people hated was not T.O. It was what T.O. does when he arrives at franchises. And there is NO QUESTION that he becomes a divisive force on a team. NO QUESTION.

That's what people hated.

Second, some people understand that the world and life works a certain way. If people exhibit a certain behavior repeatedly, it is highly likely that that behavior will continue. If a certain behavior produces a certain result, then it is likely that that dynamic will continue.

Many posters here were aware of T.O.'s attitude in San Francisco (you mean to tell me that the 49ers weren't willing to keep one of the greatest wide receivers in the league at that time?) and in Philadelphia. So why should they forgo common sense and want him here?

And guess what? The same thing occurred in Dallas.

But T.O. is only part of the problem. This team is still soft, it has a weak coach, Jason Garrett is still young, and Jerry Jones is still the GM.

The latter isn't going to change. Garrett will probably get more grace than Wade Phillips. And whoever comes in will be commissioned by Jerry to toughen this team up. Those things will take care of themselves. But dropping T.O. was a link in improving the Cowboys for the long haul.


Anybody can throw numbers around and it does nothing to back up your point. I am not saying Owens was faultless; he went about things the wrong way with his arguments. I just do not like that Romo and Garrett continue to get a free pass when Romo played like crap late in the season and Garrett could not figure out a way to get the offense out of 2nd gear. It was so bad that we struggled to even get first downs. Yet Owens is labled as the reason for failure? You gotta be kidding me....[/QUOTE]

QB > WR. That's just life in the NFL.

Second, Romo has HARDLY received a free pass. In fact, he probably doesn't even listen to the television or radio come Dec. and Jan. because he's being constantly reminded that he chokes when the games count the most. Truth be told, Romo's season doesn't really start until December.

Third, Jason Garrett has been hammered. But it's not for the players to call out their coaches. T.O.'s first fatal mistake. He started criticizing Garrett before Romo and Roy Williams opened their mouths. And based on inside reports that he told Garrett to his face he didn't respect him, T.O. needed to go. You just can't have that. But Garrett has suffered also. He was a cinch for a head coaching job last year in Baltimore and Atlanta and now he can't even sniff a job.

No, Garrett and Romo aren't getting off easy.

 

[Hostile]

Ok, lets put what I asked in a scenario compared to your answer and see if it makes any sense:

Announcer: Name a reason why Owens is more to blame for the Dallas Cowboys season failures than Romo and Garrett.

Juke99 says: Because Romo would have gotten more offers and Garrett did, in fact, get more offers from other teams while Owens only signed a one year deal with the Buffalo Bills.

Announcer: And the survey says....
http://img24.*************/img24/1305/sf42eeeea38714910ad6ef7.jpg

Sorry, but that does not prove why Owens is more to blame than Romo and Garrett. Those things happened after the fact and are irrelevant to the question.

Oh let's at least live in the real world man. This fantasy crap is as worthless as a trophy case in Philadelphia.

TO was the biggest problem on this team and not by a small margin. It was a huge margin. He is a dividing source. Randy White, Cliff Harris, Troy Aikman, and Roger Staubach have all been preaching the need for unity in the locker room.

The #1 guy on the get rid of TO bandwagon was Stephen Jones. Allow me to quote something about Stephen for you from two names you might remember.

"I said it when he was 25-26 years old, and nothing has changed," noted former head coach Jimmy Johnson a couple of weeks ago. "Stephen is a good one. A real good one."

Or as Larry Lacewell, the team’s former personnel director once told me, "Stephen Jones is brilliant."

Further...

"The joke is that Jerry was an outsider who wants to be a football guy," said another former Valley Ranch employee. "But Stephen IS a football guy. He grew up in the business of running the Cowboys. What he does within the organization, how many hats he wears, is incredible. He is the port in the storm for the front office. Just a real nice and smart young man who gets it. He really gets it."

You want to point fingers at someone for Owens' ouster, there's your man. A "real" football man. Highly respected.

Why had Stephen soured on Owens to the point that he would lead this campaign? I am glad you asked.

Sources say T.O. bragged to his crew this season that he had told The Red-Headed Genius to his face that he didn’t respect him. Whatever anyone thinks of The RHG, and my e-mail inbox says popular opinion has been cratering since Green Bay, T.O.’s decision to take him on so blatantly irreparably fractured an already tenuous relationship between himself and Tony Romo-Jason Witten-Jason Garrett.

"He had gone after all of them, mostly Garrett, but all of them at one point and it had come to where guys were almost joking about it, 'Oh, it must be Romo’s turn,’ " a Cowboy player said Friday. "But after a while, it did wear on us."

And this is why none of the warm fuzzy "We’re going to miss him stuff" was coming from the offensive side of the ball in Wednesday night’s aftermath.

They know what a pain in the butt he is, and they knew he had to go.

Whether the Owens fans realize it or not the three biggest parts of our Offensive success are Tony Romo, Jason Garrett, and Jason Witten.

We’re talking good guys, too, players Witten had been close with who were mad at him. T.O. had been preaching how unfair everything was, how guys like Witten and The RHG and Romo were getting a free pass while defensive players and Coach Wade and him were being demonized. And pretty soon this locker room had turned into a very Us Vs. Them atmosphere by season’s end.

That is why this team tanked. That is why this team lost their last game at Texas Stadium. They were no longer a team. They were 11 guys on Offense, 10 of whom were trying to satisfy one guy.

That doesn't work. Ever.

Now some will try and claim those guys took shots back at Owens. This would be a lie.

"Them" was Witten, The RHG and, yes, Romo. He tried very hard to stay above this fray. He is the ultimate don’t-rock-the-boat guy but sources say he too had tired of the constancy of T.O., always a story, always mad at somebody, always needing reassurance and the ball and a self-created drama to star in.

You know how you get tired of drama? Football players do too.

You didn’t hear Romo say, "I don’t think it was a good move." You didn’t hear Witten say, "Man, I’m going to miss him." And you didn’t hear The RHG say, "I thought it was bananas."

They knew what a pain in the butt he was, and they knew he had to go.

"A bunch of us were talking and a guy was like, 'Wait, we’re talking about Witten. We know him. This is a good guy, a good teammate,’ " a player said Friday "And you could see the light bulb go on."

This is a better football team without Terrell Owens. Buffalo just inherited our cancer. Good riddance.

 

[DallasEast]

T.O. Was Not The Problem

You're right. Terrell Owens was never THE problem. Truthfully, Terrell Owens was A problem. Since he was A problem, the front office released him. His release does not automatically equate to the elimination of ALL problems with the Dallas Cowboys, but it does mean that whatever problems may remain by the start of the '09 season will be more manageable now that he and others have been removed from the team; and that can be a good enough situation to win with.

Even the best teams in NFL history had problems. If this team becomes one of the best in 2009, it will have a FEW less to contend with.

 

[EPL0c0]

Do you really want me to show you all of his LEAGUE LEADING drops from this past year? I have a feeling that would shut your ******* up real quick.

he had 10 drops in 2008 (Behind Braylon Edwards, Dwayne Bowe and Brandon Marshall); that I don't deny. But how many of those dropped passes cost them a game? How many drops lead to points for the opposing team? How many were due to poor passes either too high, too low, behind him or just out of his reach?

 

[JonJon]

you don't seem to have a passion for logic or reason but lemme recap...

Romo was badly hurt vs AZ and suffered all year.

Garrett was deplorable and discombobulated to put it nicely. Sophomore slump, total ineptitute or somewhere in between.

By week 5-6 our house (team) needed some TLC and fixin' up.

Unfortunately Mr Stale Popcorn then proceeded to TORCH THE PLACE in a fit of toddler-like-narcissism. The kind that is with him his entire life & NFL career. Threw our best teammate under the Bus (#82) and disgraced himself while disparaging coaches and saying stupid stuff "i can't throw to myself" or "they unleashed me" ROTFLMAO (the 49ers coaches unleashed him and Romo pandered to him).

So even if Romo and Red Genius are MORE TO BLAME than TO the long term prospect of TO is that he's worthless to the team at this time.

Worthless roter spot, worthless salary, TOTAL waste of time.

pretty easy to grasp huh? unless you think the NFL is fantasy or madden video games that is.

I'm pretty sure whatever you had to say was well thought out and put together. Too bad I didn't waste my time reading it.