Taco, HOF game, Waldo’s 3-4 and more

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You just never know...

Welcome to CowboysZone: Any thread is fair game!

There was never anything meanspirited. You start getting meanspirited towards another with personal attacks and stuff gets locked and people get banned after a warning.

It's not rocket surgery.

 

[Trouty]

There was never anything meanspirited. You start getting meanspirited towards another with personal attacks and stuff gets locked and people get banned after a warning.

It's not rocket surgery.

My dear friend, I agree. If I crossed you, my deepest apologies.

I'm multitasking right now, so this might not land.

But still, always a pleasure to see you here. I will never intend to cross you, brother. Fuzzy.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

My dear friend, I agree. If I crossed you, my deepest apologies.

I'm mad now!



I've just had people get into it with me over things make it personal and attack me get sat down for a bit then get mad at me because I didn't get banned.

Next thing I know I am being accused of being in cahoots and the like and it's Hatefest all over. The only thing I understand is what line not to cross.

 

[Trouty]

I'm mad now!

Nooooooooooooooo!!!!

Gilfoyle is always blasé!!!!

 

[waldoputty]

Pass the sea salt

no only have butter here.
do u know trouty's new nickname he created for himself?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nooooooooooooooo!!!!

Gilfoyle is always blasé!!!!

When Dinesh gets one over on him he is in reality steaming he just sees concern as weakness. He is the polar opposite of Jared externally but they are more similar than Bert would ever admit. He keeps a blasé front but he cares deeply in reality.

 

[dallasdave]

no only have butter here.
do u know trouty's new nickname he created for himself?

No, but what did you think of Corso at the club?

 

[waldoputty]

No, but what did you think of Corso at the club?

check the beer thread for trouty info.
i was thinking more of dirty dancing...

 

[xwalker]

The main reason the 34 doesn't work here is we have been horrible at blitzing

Sean Lee in not very good at it and we always seem to give it away too early and get stoned too often

I know the 34 is not really a blitz but the idea is to disguise who is coming and who is covering

We have no creep to our D..... maybe Jaylon can change that but we don't need a switch to 34 to find out

Taco dropped into coverage on at least 1 snap in the HOF game. Same with Tapper.

It seems that they're considering some changes.

As someone pointed out, Eberflus was in the 3-4 with RR before the 4-3 with Marinelli.

The odd thing is that Rob Ryan's scheme is at the far end of the spectrum from Marinelli's.

RR - All about scheme. Didn't focus on fundamentals. High Risk.

Marinelli - Highly focused on fundamentals. Bend but don't break. Low risk.

I would say they need to meet in the middle but it does not need to go that far. Just some tweeks to the current scheme could go a long ways.

As you said, disguise the blitz better is the top place to start.

 

[waldoputty]

bend-but-dont-break = maginot line
we all know what happened

marinelli should be a dline coach, not DC

the 3-4 represents multiple passrush LB options that can move around the gaps, pass rush or drop back
furthermore, the 4-3 can shift into this 3-4 that i suggested during the snap count.

 

[TheCount]

Can I interject and call out @Trouty? He likes a lot of my posts, even the bad ones, and I'm sick and tired of it!

As to the topic at hand, I am not sure why anyone really thinks the 3-4 is the answer to any given problem. We played it for years and the only reason people remember it fondly is because we had one of the best pass rushers to ever play the game playing OLB. Outside of that, we were very mediocre and we had a heck of a time finding rushers, hence the switch to the 4-3.

Team staff specifically said we made the change because it was easier to find guys to actually put on the field-3

That being said, it's not like we ever bothered to actually play a real 3-4, because the staff was (and still is) allergic to large NT's.

 

[waldoputty]

Can I interject and call out @Trouty? He likes a lot of my posts, even the bad ones, and I'm sick and tired of it!

As to the topic at hand, I am not sure why anyone really thinks the 3-4 is the answer to any given problem. We played it for years and the only reason people remember it fondly is because we had one of the best pass rushers to ever play the game playing OLB. Outside of that, we were very mediocre and we had a heck of a time finding rushers, hence the switch to the 4-3.

Team staff specifically said we made the change because it was easier to find guys to actually put on the field-3

That being said, it's not like we ever bothered to actually play a real 3-4, because the staff was (and still is) allergic to large NT's.

trouty, he is insufferable.
btw, his name is now pms trouty - he created it for himself

 

[xwalker]

furthermore, xwalker, you are basically saying jaylon is going to be the speed rusher that we did not draft.
may be you should post a thread based on this.
it is a reasonable plan assuming jaylon stays healthy (knock).

i guess you would want jaylon to come from the strong side outside of the TE like beasley a lot of times.
in the 3-4 i suggested, would really like a tapper type to come off the RDE position during the snap count and threaten another gap like an a-gap while jaylon and another LB threaten the other gaps. and they could be hopping around the different gaps trying to force the QB to react and change protection schemes/go max protect etc.

with DBs in a zone behind, they could all out blitz, blitz 1, blitz 2 or even drop back after scaring the QB to move assets into pass protect like the RB and the TE.

They could even have a player like Tapper line up at SLB on occasion. He could rush or drop into shallow zone coverage. Tapper next to DLaw. The RB or TE has to block one of them. That's a mis-match for any RB or TE.

It's probably too soon with Tapper considering his inexperience, but maybe Mayowa could do it.

If the DE on the opposite side drops and DLaw/Mayowa rush from the same side, then you're using the same unknown as a 3-4.

Obviously Mayowa, Tapper or another DE would be better pass rushers than Lee, Hitchens, Wilber, Wilson, etc..

If they used it too much, offenses would scheme to get coverage mismatches but used occasionally it could rattle some QBs.

Jaylon at 100% would be the ultimate weapon. He was a better pass rusher than some 4-3 DEs or 3-4 OLBs that were drafted in the 1st round. He was better in coverage than some DBs. He was Sean Lee-ish against the run.

Side note: They might as well rush 3 against Eli because he rarely holds the ball long enough to get sacked.

 

[jday]

that is a lot of stuff. i will try to address most of them.

first of all, my writing style can be sort of light/whimsical. it is not out of disrepect, but just a personal preference. it takes getting used to, if anyone were to bother.

regarding that thread, it assumes that the season is a failure so i am suggesting a change to a 3-4 scheme. so imagine the simplest decision tree. if success, do more of the same. if failure, make change. my thread assumes the season has failed and taco/tapper/collins/etc have failed us, in which case, their 'value' suffer.

regarding the 3-4, yes it is a favorite of mine. but like fuzzy has suggested, the zimmer 4-3 is pretty nice. however, i still prefer the 3-4 because it keeps the best passrusher away from the best OL.

accepting others' comments. believe it or not, i do. however, i am not going to do it just to be PC. btw, i appreciate your information and you have been quite patient in areas that i simply am not knowledgeable. so thank you. in the same vein, i am attacking basically the establishment, so i expect a lot of resistance. i am attacking the Cowboys front office, so i expect many to be upset by it. i am used to fighting with lawyers all day, so i am used to dealing with resistance. resistance basically bounces off me, as long as it is polite.

big picture - i like to think that way. i usually dont remember which gap is what or other specifics. i like to think of things in an organic non-technical fashion. i think that rubs a lot of football addicts in a bad way, but that is just the way i am.

in a big picture fashion, i think of the 3-4 as a solution if the 4-3 fails us again this year. i really believe it will help acquire the passrusher given the realities of today's NFL. fuzzy does not agree, but i do not agree with fuzzy. yes the von millers of the world get picked at top 5, but i am talking 1/2 tier below that. i think that is where there is opportunity to get the passrusher if we compromise to get a 240lb guy instead of the 280lb DE. of course not any 240lb fast guy would do. i am the one who took the trouble to post the sparq-performance charts so obviously i know that.

i am not alone in this belief. i was triggered to create the thread specifically after reading alexander's table for the top 12 pass rushers - 2/3 were LBs. furthermore, during the FA argument, many argued AGAINST me that the DE FA was just not available and would be franchised. guess what, they were right, so i modified my belief to accommodate that reality.

regarding whether we have the right players to play the 3-4, many have said we do not. i do not agree as thornton and crawford have played in the 3-4. furthermore, collins does well as both 1tech and 3tech so he should hold up ok. some argue that this would be wasting collins, but my answer is that my suggestion is IF this season is a failure.

regarding taco, i actually have posted numerous posts that were favorable regarding his physical results. that includes 40 times, 10 yard times, cone and shuttle. he is amazingly similar to hardy, bosa etc. if you go back a couple months, you will see that i posted those stats. so no, that is not fair. as i tried to say many times, i dont think we know what we have in him and we will not know for quite a while.

what i do not agree with is the overall decision making process with the offseason. again, in my work and play, i have always believe in looking at the big picture. in this case, it seems to me the front office has jeopardized the 2017 season by gutting the defensive backfield, there by forcing a change in the draft priorities to CB and DE from strictly DE.

thus this leads to the final point, tanking. if we already jeopardized the 2017 season, then why not just tank it to get the DE or OLB. am i saying to tank it in game 1, probably not. but come mid-season, it should be pretty self-evident. fuzzy thinks that my tanking suggestion is an argument ploy, but actually i am dead serious. why bother being a pretender when you are not a contender. i want a dynasty, and i suspect we all do.

i hope i touched on most of your points.

I don't always agree with you, but I respect the hell out of how you handle this whole inquisition.

 

[xwalker]

true, but hard to put all the eggs in jaylon this season.
and i am a huge fan of jaylon.
it is a lot to ask of jaylon to be beasley and kuechly at the same time.

It would also allow them to draft a 240 pass rusher which is one of your goals.

The 240 pound player plays SLB in base and DE in Nickel. That player wouldn't have to worry about playing the run from the DE position so being "undersized" at DE would not be an issue.

At SLB any 1st or 2nd round player will be better than Wilber.

The above is basically what the Falcons do with Beasley.

 

[waldoputty]

They could even have a player like Tapper line up at SLB on occasion. He could rush or drop into shallow zone coverage. Tapper next to DLaw. The RB or TE has to block one of them. That's a mis-match for any RB or TE.

It's probably too soon with Tapper considering his inexperience, but maybe Mayowa could do it.

If the DE on the opposite side drops and DLaw/Mayowa rush from the same side, then you're using the same unknown as a 3-4.

Obviously Mayowa, Tapper or another DE would be better pass rushers than Lee, Hitchens, Wilber, Wilson, etc..

If they used it too much, offenses would scheme to get coverage mismatches but used occasionally it could rattle some QBs.

Jaylon at 100% would be the ultimate weapon. He was a better pass rusher than some 4-3 DEs or 3-4 OLBs that were drafted in the 1st round. He was better in coverage than some DBs. He was Sean Lee-ish against the run.

Side note: They might as well rush 3 against Eli because he rarely holds the ball long enough to get sacked.

right, in my proposed 3-4 that can be shifted from a 4-3, in the beginning, you have:
LE: tcrawford (or dlaw)
1tech - NT or big 1tech
3tech: Collins
RDE - Tapper already standing up

during the snap count, you shift to 3-4 by moving Tapper to LB
tapper, as well as jaylon and new OLB would to among the various gaps.
although my favorite gaps are obviously the 2 A-gaps.

i prefer to draft a OLB for pass rush because lee is not good at blitzing
i want 3 possible passrushing LBs so the OL would be overloaded physically and mentally

again i am not saying to go with this look the entire game.
do it during 3-and-long, 2-and-very-long and may be 30-40% of the rest of the plays.
not saying no 4-3 at all.

basically look at this as the death lineup like the GS warriors

 

[waldoputty]

I don't always agree with you, but I respect the hell out of how you handle this whole inquisition.

thanks
xwalker and i are cool
and i have learned a lot from him over the year.

you and i dont always agree, and i know i can be a real pain in the ***
but i always appreciate the writing gift u have.

 

[waving monkey]

this 3-4 conversion assumes 2017 was a failure so the up and coming 3tech may not be so up and coming.
i would also point out that the practices has recently shown the RDE standing up like the seattle leo? so is that really such a big transition.
Jaylon is probably 250lb, but i admit Lee is small for the 3-4. though lee's contract is up after 2019?
i am not assuming we hit on every pick. i want to pick multiple NTs and multiple OLBs. also a NT FA is likely much much cheaper (and available) than a DE FA.
i suspect a good FA OLB is easier to find than a good FA DE.

if you disagree with the premise that a rush LB is as hard to find as a good DE, then you basically disagree with the basic premise of my idea. i dont think a Von Miller will be possible, but my belief is a LB 1/2 tier below is easier to get than a DE 1/2 tier below Myles Garrett.

Waldo why do you assume that? Describe failure
this 3-4 conversion assumes 2017 was a failure so the up and coming 3tech may not be so up and coming.
What has MCollins shown that warrants that/

 

[jday]

thanks
xwalker and i are cool
and i have learned a lot from him over the year.

you and i dont always agree, and i know i can be a real pain in the ***
but i always appreciate the writing gift u have.

Therein is the key. You don't have to agree with someone to respect them.

 

[waldoputty]

Waldo why do you assume that? Describe failure
this 3-4 conversion assumes 2017 was a failure so the up and coming 3tech may not be so up and coming.
What has MCollins shown that warrants that/

oh, i see what you are asking.
i dont mean to say we will fail this year.
oh no i am a huge fan and i hope we win big.

the way i talk is event-driven - see decision tree diagram below.
if we win, life is great.
if we lose, then what do we do.

so the "assume we fail" is not being negative per se.
but instead treat it like one branch of a decision tree.
if we get the win branch, then we party and no need to cry.
it is the failure/lose branch that i am addressing.