Tale Of The Tape. MVP

[Ken]

3 more rushing tds than Dak.... 500 more yards rushing.

Not enough to warrant the glaring gap in Dak destroying him in what the QB position should be good at....

 

[Ken]

Stats will always fail when placed against sentiment and hype and so on

Probably because society has become a bunch of brainless bots.

 

[aikemirv]

and that is pure ignorance. Dak has played to a level of the top QB's in the league just a fact. He has done so without a run game and poor OL plays at times.

He is not getting trashed here really anymore. Not even from his 2 biggest detractors on the board. Saying he has not done his best in big games is not trashing him. The only game in my book that he played poorly and caused a loss was SF. Philly first loss he could have won if he managed better in the end but he played a great game. Buffalo, that was on the team shooting themselves in the foot multiple time. Dolphins we win if CD does not fumble through the end zone, he had a game winning drive at the end but D did not hold.

Great year by Dak - Hope we can get over the SF hump!

 

[BleedSilverandBlue]

Negative narrative? He laid waste to mostly cupcakes and padded his stats against the leagues worst. I mean , we had him in the game in the 4th quarter of a 35-10 game just to pad more stats. Go look at how he played against the best teams on our schedule SF, Buffalo, Miami…… the 2 divisional round playoff losses. Those are the games that forge the narrative and provide context.

Why doesn’t everyone else put up big numbers against those cupcakes?

 

[Stash]

Lamar is the league MVP. I can deal with that fact and give credit where credit is due.

 

[Doomsday101]

He is not getting trashed here really anymore. Not even from his 2 biggest detractors on the board. Saying he has not done his best in big games is not trashing him. The only game in my book that he played poorly and caused a loss was SF. Philly first loss he could have won if he managed better in the end but he played a great game. Buffalo, that was on the team shooting themselves in the foot multiple time. Dolphins we win if CD does not fumble through the end zone, he had a game winning drive at the end but D did not hold.

Great year by Dak - Hope we can get over the SF hump!

to get over the hump will take an entire team effort as it does for every team. There is so much of this game that is outside the control of the QB. What gets old is this notion that it is all about the QB, while a very important part it is still only a part,

 

[Ken]

He is not getting trashed here really anymore. Not even from his 2 biggest detractors on the board. Saying he has not done his best in big games is not trashing him. The only game in my book that he played poorly and caused a loss was SF. Philly first loss he could have won if he managed better in the end but he played a great game. Buffalo, that was on the team shooting themselves in the foot multiple time. Dolphins we win if CD does not fumble through the end zone, he had a game winning drive at the end but D did not hold.

Great year by Dak - Hope we can get over the SF hump!

Dak didn't 'Cause' the SF loss. The defense got steamrolled. Sure...Dak and the offense could have done more early...but the game was 14-7 in the 2nd quarter and the defense gave up another td to 21-7. It was then 21-10 and the defense gave up another td 28-10. Then Dak threw his first int later in the 3rd quarter.

For Dallas to beat SF, the defense has to be much better than it was that Day, period.

 

[OmerV]

You have to step away from the pompom. Just because people think Dak won’t and shouldn’t win it doesn’t mean anything more than that. He did not and consistently has not performed under the bright lights. If he beats some good teams next year, he’ll have a chance for the mvp.

He had a bad game against SF & also against Buffalo, but Buffalo was in bad weather and Josh Allen only had 94 yards passing himself. Nevertheless, Dak stepped up down the stretch with strong games against Philly & Detroit. He also had a strong game against Miami down the stretch, but the team fell short. He had a huge game against Philly earlier in the year, and a huge game against the Rams, who are in the playoffs.

And let's not pretend Purdy or Jackson were great every week. Doing hat would be applying an unreasonable double standard. They had their less than stellar games over the season.

 

[aikemirv]

to get over the hump will take an entire team effort as it does for every team. There is so much of this game that is outside the control of the QB. What gets old is this notion that it is all about the QB, while a very important part it is still only a part,

Yes but he has not ever figured out what SF is doing on D so he needs to figure that out.

 

[aikemirv]

Dak didn't 'Cause' the SF loss. The defense got steamrolled. Sure...Dak and the offense could have done more early...but the game was 14-7 in the 2nd quarter and the defense gave up another td to 21-7. It was then 21-10 and the defense gave up another td 28-10. Then Dak threw his first int later in the 3rd quarter.

For Dallas to beat SF, the defense has to be much better than it was that Day, period.

If you want to ignore that Dak can not figure out how to handle SF D, that is fine. But 2 playoff games and this years game will tell you different. This years regular season game is the only one you can put anything on the D.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yes but he has not ever figured out what SF is doing on D so he needs to figure that out.

Yes he has to do his part Oline needs to do their part and defense needs to do theirs. SF is a very good team both sides of the ball. I welcome the opportunity

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Negative narrative? He laid waste to mostly cupcakes and padded his stats against the leagues worst. I mean , we had him in the game in the 4th quarter of a 35-10 game just to pad more stats. Go look at how he played against the best teams on our schedule SF, Buffalo, Miami…… the 2 divisional round playoff losses. Those are the games that forge the narrative and provide context.

"Ignore all the good things and only care about the bad things."

This isn't as smart as you like to pretend it is.

 

[Ken]

If you want to ignore that Dak can not figure out how to handle SF D, that is fine. But 2 playoff games and this years game will tell you different. This years regular season game is the only one you can put anything on the D.

I'm not ignoring it...it is a thing. Not enough of a thing to hand a guy who had to just not lose it an MVP.

Also...the Cowboys offense has evolved completely since that game. I am curious to see how it performs next time.

 

[Surfguy]

We can all make a Cowboys Zone card and e-sign it that says we consider him the MVP and congratulations.

 

[Bobhaze]

I don’t think Dak wins it despite having an excellent season. Besides, stats alone usually don’t define an MVP season. It’s also about how you helped your team win big games vs big opponents. Lamar Jackson and Brock Purdy has more big win moments against big teams than Dak.

Regardless, the real MVP trophy worth having is a SB MVP. That’s the kind of trophy that matters more. That’s still available for Dak to attain this playoff season if this team plays up to its potential.

 

[DFWJC]

Like many here, I have been saying Dak has played almost all year.
Job very well done!
He belongs in the MVP conversation

You play who is in front of you and it's nobody's fault....But I've also said our schedule has been unimaginably easy for passing.

• The very worst pass defense is Washinton...got to play them twice!
• The 2nd worst pass defense was Philly...got to play them twice!
• The 3rd worst was pass defense was LA Chargers

It can't get any worse (easier) than that. 5 games vs the bottom 3.
Even the Giants pass D was not all that good, but they were better than those 3....lol

Dak had 14 TDs and 1 int vs those god-awful pass Ds.
Good for him, but its not like facing the Ds from Cleveland, Baltimore, and Pittsburgh...for example
Our division had awful pass D

Again, not at all blaming Dak. Just saying numbers need context sometimes.

 

[OmerV]

3 more rushing tds than Dak.... 500 more yards rushing.

Not enough to warrant the glaring gap in Dak destroying him in what the QB position should be good at....

We are talking about MVP, not who is the best at throwing the ball. MVP doesn't have to be a passer at all. Dak averaged 282.1 combined yards per game, Lamar 281.3, so the yardage difference is immaterial.

Statistically, what does favor Dak is he had more TD's. He had the advantage of playing an extra game, but he was going to end up with more regardless.


Of course, MVP isn't necessarily a stats only award. "Value" can include more than stats, so there is a subjective element to it.


That's not to say I think Jackson should win, or that Dak shouldn't, I'm just saying it's much closer than it looks when excluding some of the relevant information like was the case with the OP.

 

[Doomsday101]

Just the fact that Dak is even in the consideration for MVP should irk the crap out of his critics. lol I have seen talk of padding stats? yet in 4 to 5 games he did not play in the final qrt of the game. lol

 

[DFWJC]

Josh Allen led the league in TDs with 44.
But he had more turnovers too.

Dak, Lamar, Allen, CMC, Purdy, Lamb, Hill
take your pick

 

[DFWJC]

In the combination stat that I do every year.... the one that has revealed the MVP the last 10 years and 19 of the last 20....
Dak and Purdy are tied for 1st. Jackson was a distant 3rd