Tank... am I the only one appalled at the double-standard?

[Big Dakota]

Got any proof those charges were made up? Like I said, trouble just seems to follow the guy. I dont like guys like that on the Cowboys. We dont need any more Dwayne Goodriches, Derek Rosses, Alonzo Spellmans on the team. I'll take the Demarcus Wares and Jason Wittens, thank you.

What do you do if Witten or Ware get busted? What did you do when Mike got in trouble? What did you do when Tui killed himself? We all want integrity, but when someone's a Cowboy, i will give them a chance.

Look, this whole things seems to be about how Jerry has damaged the integrity of the Cowboys. I'd like you to prove no other team in the NFL has a poroblem player that may hurt their image because of off field issues. Find me 10 teams that have no problem players.

2007 Suspended NFL Players

The following NFL players have been suspended by the NFL for violating it's Conduct Policy, Steroid Policy, or Banned Substances list:

• S Sam Brandon, Free Agent (Elig Sept 23)
• DE Jared Allen, Kansas City (Elig Sept 23)
• OL Jeremy Bridges, Carolina (Elig Sept 23)
• FB Obafemi Ayanbadejo, Chicago (Elig Oct 7)
• OT Ryan Tucker, Cleveland (Elig Oct 7)
• CB Torrie Cox, Tampa Bay (Elig Oct 7)
• DE K Peterson, Denver (Elig Oct 7)
• CB Fakhir Brown, St. Louis (Elig Oct 7)
• S Jarrod Cooper, Oakland (Elig Oct 7)
• DE Anthony Hargrove, Buffalo (Elig Oct 8)
• RB Dominic Rhodes, Oakland (Elig Oct 14)
• WR Koren Robinson, Green Bay (Elig Oct 23)
• WR Chris Henry, Cincinnati (Elig Nov 11)
• LB Odell Thurman, Cincinnati (out for season)
• CB Pacman Jones, Tennessee (out for season)
• DT Tank Johnson, Free Agent (?)

There's about a dozen teams right there with suspended players. Now how many teams have some kind of previously suspended or troubled player? 90%????

 

[CowboyJeff]

What do you do if Witten or Ware get busted? What did you do when Mike got in trouble? What did you do when Tui killed himself? We all want integrity, but when someone's a Cowboy, i will give them a chance.

Look, this whole things seems to be about how Jerry has damaged the integrity of the Cowboys. I'd like you to prove no other team in the NFL has a poroblem player that may hurt their image because of off field issues. Find me 10 teams that have no problem players.

2007 Suspended NFL Players

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The following NFL players have been suspended by the NFL for violating it's Conduct Policy, Steroid Policy, or Banned Substances list:

• S Sam Brandon, Free Agent (Elig Sept 23)
• DE Jared Allen, Kansas City (Elig Sept 23)
• OL Jeremy Bridges, Carolina (Elig Sept 23)
• FB Obafemi Ayanbadejo, Chicago (Elig Oct 7)
• OT Ryan Tucker, Cleveland (Elig Oct 7)
• CB Torrie Cox, Tampa Bay (Elig Oct 7)
• DE K Peterson, Denver (Elig Oct 7)
• CB Fakhir Brown, St. Louis (Elig Oct 7)
• S Jarrod Cooper, Oakland (Elig Oct 7)
• DE Anthony Hargrove, Buffalo (Elig Oct 8)
• RB Dominic Rhodes, Oakland (Elig Oct 14)
• WR Koren Robinson, Green Bay (Elig Oct 23)
• WR Chris Henry, Cincinnati (Elig Nov 11)
• LB Odell Thurman, Cincinnati (out for season)
• CB Pacman Jones, Tennessee (out for season)
• DT Tank Johnson, Free Agent (?)

There's about a dozen teams right there with suspended players.

Apples and oranges. You're comparing guys already on the Cowboys who committed illegal acts after they got here (they didnt do these things prior to bringing them aboard) with guys whose character is already in question who you want to welcome aboard that others teams cut because of these acts. The standards just keep getting lower and lower. And for the record, I dont want any of the guys you listed on the Cowboys.

 

[Big Dakota]

Apples and oranges. You're comparing guys on already on the Cowboys who committed illegal acts (they didnt do these things prior to bringing them aboard) with guys whose character is already in question who you want to welcome aboard that others teams cut because of these acts. The standards just keep getting lower and lower. And for the record, I dont want any of the guys you listed on the Cowboys.

Outline the standard of which you speak and the teams that apply,then i'll go to work

And i mean in the 20 years Jerrys been owner. I'll do some digging try and find out how many NFL Teams have signed these type guys since 1989 Maybe we can even get Adam to do some digging?

 

[CowboyJeff]

Spare me. If youre saying that them being Bears fans and that caused the to turn the other way then that is even worse.

Cops dont let you attack them and get away with it.

Cowboys having hookers and cocaine and a house and the cops turning a blind eye is one thing but if Alfredo had just slugged a cop then the free pass goes away.

Whats sad here is that you have ZERO personal knowledge and you know that the charges were dropped yet you make the assumption that hes guilty anyway. Like i said hes a living breathing human being and deserves the same respect as anyone else.

i hate people that hide behind computer screens and pass judgment on things they know little to nothing about.

Anyway i have to get up early so im done you go ahead and keep that guilty until proven innocent ethic if you want to.

Funny - you're passing judgement from behind a computer screen as well. Guess you hate looking in the mirror in the morning.

So you're saying the police officers filed a false police report?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Funny - you're passing judgement from behind a computer screen as well. Guess you hate looking in the mirror in the morning.

So you're saying the police officers filed a false police report?

Im not going to pass judgement on them either. i dont know. all i know is that the charges were dropped.

As for passing judgement on you. i have personal knowledge on how you operate. See how that works?

 

[CowboyJeff]

Outline the standard of which you speak and the teams that apply,then i'll go to work

And i mean in the 20 years Jerrys been owner. I'll do some digging try and find out how many NFL Teams have signed these type guys since 1989 Maybe we can even get Adam to do some digging?

Rayfield Wright is my standard. Get me 57 guys like him and I'll be happy.

 

[CowboyJeff]

Im not going to pass judgement on them either. i dont know. all i know is that the charges were dropped.

As for passing judgement on you. i have personal knowledge on how you operate. See how that works?

stay away from that mirror.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

stay away from that mirror.

oh you got me there.

i have no respect for you because you come onto internet message boards and pass judgement on others with no personal knowledge. i have personal knowledge of you doing that.

had you been in chicago when the event happened and had witnessed what really went on and came to that conclusion i could respect that. i cannot respect assuming the worst with incomplete knowledge when the authorities disagree with you.

You have no personal knowledge and you find it prudent to pass judgment anyway. i cannot respect people that do that.

Its funny cause you claim that you find class and responsibility important yet you take this tactic and its pretty classless and irresponsible.

 

[Big Dakota]

Rayfield Wright is my standard. Get me 57 guys like him and I'll be happy.

57? Ya, you're knowledgable. NFL know nothing.

Howard Stern? Ya, lot's of integrity. LOSER.

 

[CowboyJeff]

57? Ya, you're knowledgable. NFL know nothing.

Howard Stern? Ya, lot's of integrity. LOSER.

Ya need 4 spares in case of injuries, genious. You stick with the Tank Johnsons of the world and I'll stick with the Rayfield Wrights of the world. You seem to like that type of company. Have you ever been to a Cowboys game? I doubt it.

 

[CowboyJeff]

oh you got me there.

i have no respect for you because you come onto internet message boards and pass judgement on others with no personal knowledge. i have personal knowledge of you doing that.

had you been in chicago when the event happened and had witnessed what really went on and came to that conclusion i could respect that. i cannot respect assuming the worst with incomplete knowledge when the authorities disagree with you.

You have no personal knowledge and you find it prudent to pass judgment anyway. i cannot respect people that do that.

Its funny cause you claim that you find class and responsibility important yet you take this tactic and its pretty classless and irresponsible.

I laugh in your general direction.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

This thread gave me gas.

On a serious note.

I get BBgun's general point of view, just think he did a poor job conveying it.

 

[Established1971]

We sign Terrell Owens... this board is in meltdown mode.

Half the fan-base is vehemently against the move, half are for it. Sure, he hasn't committed any actual "crimes"... but he has a big ego and an even bigger mouth. That makes him worse than guys like Ahman Green, who beat his wife. Makes him worse than Jamal Lewis, who was involved in dope slangin'. Makes him worse than Ray Lewis, Mr. Double Murder.

If we brought in any of the above men, it would not be objected by the fan-base with 1/1000th the furor that the T.O. signing was objected to.

We have fans claiming that they are turning in their Cowboys Fan cards. We have fans who say they won't cheer for us until "Team Obliterater" is off the team.

"We have gone too far", they say.

Even if we win, it will be an empty win since it took bringing in a human being of HIS caliber.

Jerry is selling his soul to the DEVIL!


Fast-forward 18 months... it appears that a Mr. Terry "Tank" Johnson is on the way.

This man hasn't called his ex-teammate gay... but he did verbally threaten a cop and needed to be maced in order to be subdued and arrested.

He never danced with pom-poms or pulled out a Sharpie to sign a football... but he did violate his probation by having 6 guns in his house, 2 of which were assault rifles. Some of the guns were loaded, and yes... there were children present in the house.

What's the fan-base's reaction? The same people strongly opposed to the T.O. signing?

"Hell yeah, bring him in! We lost Ferguson for the year, and this guy will help us win! Woohoo Tank!!!"


Let me add that I was strongly in favor of the T.O. signing. I knew there was a chance he could be a problem, but the potential reward outweighed the risks for me. Besides, we were not a Super Bowl contender with Keyshawn and Terry Glenn... perhaps T.O. could help elevate us to that level.

And I am also in favor of the Tank signing. I don't think the "risk" factor will be very high, and it makes very little difference to me if our players are choir boys off the field or not. Michael Irvin was anything but that... and he's one of my all-time favorite athletes.

It's just annoying to me that so many people who got their panties in a bunch over the T.O. signing seem to be in favor of bringing in a REAL thug, a REAL criminal, a REAL detriment to society.

I'm not so sure I'm all that much in favor of it but I guess I am one of your "hypocrites" People who say what you are saying fail to understand why, at least some of us, hate much about TO. Instead you have to lump all varieties of character issues together. I hate TO because of his EXTREME narcisism. I hate those types of people much more than I hate people who have broken a law, especially if they have been caught, punished and publicly embarrased about it. I seriously hope Tank doesnt screw up while a Cowboy and I also hope that Jerry doesnt begin to sign more head cases, but I stand by hating TO much more than a person who gets in trouble. Are you still annoyed?

 

[Established1971]

You can't confuse being a bad teammate with a bad human being.

Not many people think T.O. is an evil or criminal person, but he has been very bad for team chemistry in the past. Calling your QB gay, demanding attention 24/7, and refusing to talk to your coaches isn't good for a team no matter how you slice it.

In those ways, a selfish, needy player like that can be a worse teammate than someone who breaks the law. Look at Michael Irvin for an example.

I haven't ever heard of Tank being a worse teammate than T.O., have you? Worse person, that is up for debate.

But BTW, I'm sure many agree that having loaded guns is entirely different than beating women. The two may both be crimes, but one is much worse than the other.

exactly CL, good points. TO was also yelling at your coaches or teammates on the sideline, refusing to report to a team you were traded to (Ravens) and more. This ****** TO has a long history of childish, disruptive antics. But the trouble with some people on this thread is generalization - a character issue is a chracter issue, just lump them together.

 

[WV Cowboy]

This thread gave me gas.

I just read through this entire thread this morning, which I seldom do, especially one this long.

But this one was so good I couldn't stop.

We all think we are so important, and that our opinion actually matters.

 

[CowboyJeff]

I just read through this entire thread this morning, which I seldom do, especially one this long.

But this one was so good I couldn't stop.

We all think we are so important, and that our opinion actually matters.

It's a funny thread. I guess the only opinion worth it's weight is that of Jerry Jones.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

It's a funny thread. I guess the only opinion worth it's weight is that of Jerry Jones.

That is one of the smartest things written thus far......when concerning the Cowboys anyhow.....

 

[theogt]

Um, were you alive in 1998? I don't need to access the DMN microfilm room to remember Jerry's priorities in the wake of Irvin's troubles. If character was not an overriding issue, then Randy Moss would have had a star on his helmet. In fact, character was such a priority that Tank himself was taken off the Cowboys' draft board just a few short years ago. Then he went to Chicago and turned into the kind of turd the Cowboys predicted he would. What's changed? Oh, that's right. Fergy's injury.

The Dallas Cowboys: "We care about good character .. unless of course we really need you."

off to bed

Actually...

Parcells had removed Johnson from the Cowboys draft board in 2004 because of character concerns, but owner Jerry Jones said Tuesday on his weekly radio show that the organization changed to equip itself better for players with troubled pasts.

"We have some things in place, behavioral-wise, or certainly from the standpoint of any type of overseeing their activities, that weren't in place then," Jones said. "And when you have those in place, you have a little better go of it as far as working with players who may have had some issues in the past."

Looks like things have changed. Of course, you don't have to actually believe what Jerry's saying. But, you still can't back up your statements, and are continually proven wrong.

 

[CowboyJeff]

That is one of the smartest things written thus far......when concerning the Cowboys anyhow.....

Shhhh. dont tell anyone. I need to keep my "loser idiot" cap on.

 

[peplaw06]

Actually...

Looks like things have changed. Of course, you don't have to actually believe what Jerry's saying. But, you still can't back up your statements, and are continually proven wrong.

This is what I was going to say. "Cleaning up the team"... if that's indeed what Jerr said... isn't only done by signing guys with questionable character issues. IMO taking those guys and teaching them to be responsible and stand up human beings would be included in "cleaning up the Cowboys."

In the past few years we have taken on guys with questionable characters, and few of them have been in trouble with the law. Keith Davis is about the only person who has been suspected of something in the past few years --- unless you count Terry Glenn pissing on a dumpster.