Team ranks info on (Machota reported) possible external DC candidates

[LysleE]

Zimmermans last round in Dallas was the players weren't smart enough for his system, so he dumbed it down. Have the Cowboys changed ?

Great point…
And no…the Cowboys haven’t changed; I want to say that DQ dumbed it down from Nolan’s complex defense.

 

[MikeT22]

Bellichick would be my choice for Defensive Coordinator with a Jerry side agreement with him that if McCarthy did not take the team to the NFC Championship Game, he would just become the Head Coach after the 2024 season then.

 

[quickccc]

Anybody that wants Staley should be thrown overboard

Based off HC ... or DC ?

 

[stilltheguru]

Based off HC ... or DC ?

Yall can keep saying this but a good coach doesn't have his unit bad year after year if that's his expertise. If he was so great and head of a number 1 d why is his name not ringing in nfl circles? Yea ok.

 

[quickccc]

What decent DC
Is gonna wanna come here for ONE year???

-Ones that are unemployed,
-want to get back into the NFL,
-have great talent cast ala Parsons, Diggs, Bland, Osa and Dlaw
-and they can up their stock around the NFL in just one year, making them very marketable for even a possible HC gig.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

I'm kind of hoping for a "thinking outside of the box" choice for DC. He would be young, innovative, under the radar. He could be some college guy or some assistant that's on his way up. Perhaps it's a guy most might think is not ready yet, However, the Cowboys are willing to let him grow with experience.

Promotion from within? Which squad seems to have really stood out over the past few years? Would the Cowboys take a chance on Durde or Harris? Just thinking out loud, I haven't really thought about it until just now. It would be very risky.

The problem with this is MM's margin is razor thin..........he has to hire someone he knows will hit the ground running.

 

[quickccc]

Yall can keep saying this but a good coach doesn't have his unit bad year after year if that's his expertise. If he was so great and head of a number 1 d why is his name not ringing in nfl circles? Yea ok.

Some coaches are just better suited as coordinators, vs being HCs.

If they can focus on just one area, of their specialty and expertise, they can manage to focus, plan, scheme a certain area
and unit rather than as a HC, having to oversees his entire team in all phases and areas of the game, that's offense, defense and special teams.

A HC oversees his entire team in all phases and areas of the game, that's offense, defense and special teams.
Bu they dunno how/when to delegate and duties to their coordinators, and when to step in themselves and take over
the duties or enforce strong suggestions.

There's a difference between Andy Reid, Sean McVey, Kyle Shanahan, Mike Tomlin , ... vs the Norv Turners,.. Josh Daniels,.. Steve Spagnuolo,.. Jim Swartz,

 

[quickccc]

Yall can keep saying this but a good coach doesn't have his unit bad year after year if that's his expertise. If he was so great and head of a number 1 d why is his name not ringing in nfl circles? Yea ok.

He may have to re-coup his stock again as a DC,.. but again it's as a DC .. not HC.

DC Steve Spagnuolo is running a great year for his defense in KC, but he's had such past failures as a HC, that he may not
no longer be thought of as a HC again.

 

[stilltheguru]

Some coaches are just better suited as coordinators, vs being HCs.

If they can focus on just one area, of their specialty and expertise, they can manage to focus, plan, scheme a certain area
and unit rather than as a HC, having to oversees his entire team in all phases and areas of the game, that's offense, defense and special teams.

A HC oversees his entire team in all phases and areas of the game, that's offense, defense and special teams.
Bu they dunno how/when to delegate and duties to their coordinators, and when to step in themselves and take over
the duties or enforce strong suggestions.

There's a difference between Andy Reid, Sean McVey, Kyle Shanahan, Mike Tomlin , ... vs the Norv Turners,.. Josh Daniels,.. Steve Spagnuolo,.. Jim Swartz,

Listen to me, he's a 1 year wonder and the nfl can see it. Spags? Go look at the rosters he had and compare it to Staley. This has to be a joke. Josh McDaniel? Lol this guy. You didn't mention Wade because you know he had good defenses as a hc and coordinator because he's good at it. Spags wasn't given a chance with the rosters he had. Stop it!

 

[gimmesix]

What decent DC
Is gonna wanna come here for ONE year???

When Quinn came here, he had no idea if it would be for more than a year. After all, Nolan lasted a year in the job. The reasons to come here are 1) you need to re-prove yourself in order to get another DC job or even another HC offer; 2) you believe the team has the talent on that side of the ball for you to be able to accomplish that; and 3) you need a job, period.

 

[quickccc]

Listen to me, he's a 1 year wonder and the nfl can see it. Spags? Go look at the rosters he had and compare it to Staley. This has to be a joke. Josh McDaniel? Lol this guy

Stanley could be a one year wonder here as a DC too, depending upon what happens to McCarthy playoff exit again and
a Jerry making the push for Belichek who could overhaul the coaching roster.

Point is Stanley had talent to work with as a DC with the Rams, Spags has talent to work with the Chiefs, as DC's they've produced to make it work... as HC's that's a whole new animal and out of their league.

 

[Beast_from_East]

My choice.

A. Belicheck..........highly doubt he takes a demotion to be DC unless there is an agreement in place he takes over for Fat Mike when we get boat raced in the first round again next season.

B. Vrabel..........Dont think Jerry would go for this, word is he wanted more personnel control in Tennessee and got into it with the GM and that led to his ultimate firing.

C. Really a toss up at this point between Rivera and Zimmerman, dont see much of a difference between the two if you want an experienced DC.

D. Al Harris on a promote from within path, but even he said he is not an X and O type of guy. So, that doesnt sound like you want him coordinating the entire defense. But we could always give it a try!!!

 

[john van brocklin]

When Quinn came here, he had no idea if it would be for more than a year. After all, Nolan lasted a year in the job. The reasons to come here are 1) you need to re-prove yourself in order to get another DC job or even another HC offer; 2) you believe the team has the talent on that side of the ball for you to be able to accomplish that; and 3) you need a job, period.

Wonder how long of a contract Jerry will offer the DC?

 

[john van brocklin]

-Ones that are unemployed,
-want to get back into the NFL,
-have great talent cast ala Parsons, Diggs, Bland, Osa and Dlaw
-and they can up their stock around the NFL in just one year, making them very marketable for even a possible HC gig.

Okay

 

[quickccc]

Listen to me, he's a 1 year wonder and the nfl can see it. Spags? Go look at the rosters he had and compare it to Staley. This has to be a joke. Josh McDaniel? Lol this guy. You didn't mention Wade because you know he had good defenses as a hc and coordinator because he's good at it. Spags wasn't given a chance with the rosters he had. Stop it!

Daniels is awful as a HC, ..and that's been proven twice now. he's also a jerk as a human being, imo but in terms of X's and O's designs and play calling as a pure OC, he is a brilliant offensive mind.

Tom Brady's lead struggles in his final years in NE, is Belichek simply flat could not provide the WR weapons- whether NFL draft, or FA's, they had to stumble upon a Julian Edelman for as long as he could - but they've had anything else at WR.

Wade because he became exposed as a HC and leader of men, it reared it's ugly head when Jerry actually fired him at mid season, .something Jerry has never done to any of his past HC coaches. Wade was never thought of as a HC again in the NFL. Just a DC, which is what he should've been in Dallas.

BTW, the whispering word was Jerry was more interesting in hiring Norv Turner as HC, but Norv was so insistent on bringing in Ted Cottrell who was widely known as one of the worst DCs in the NFL, and prove so again
when Norv brought Cottrell to the Chargers as DC in his HC stint with the Chargers.

 

[Kwyn]

Which is

You are usually pretty opinionated. Read the stats. Make up your own mind.

 

[nathanlt]

Anybody have a Magnify glass I can borrow?

Yes, Ctrl +++ is quite good.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

So who the hell is the best option?

 

[gimmesix]

Daniels is awful as a HC, ..and that's been proven twice now. he's also a jerk as a human being, imo but in terms of X's and O's designs and play calling as a pure OC, he is a brilliant offensive mind.

Tom Brady's lead struggles in his final years in NE, is Belichek simply flat could not provide the WR weapons- whether NFL draft, or FA's, they had to stumble upon a Julian Edelman for as long as he could - but they've had anything else at WR.

Wade because he became exposed as a HC and leader of men, it reared it's ugly head when Jerry actually fired him at mid season, .something Jerry has never done to any of his past HC coaches. Wade was never thought of as a HC again in the NFL. Just a DC, which is what he should've been in Dallas.

BTW, the whispering word was Jerry was more interesting in hiring Norv Turner as HC, but Norv was so insistent on bringing in Ted Cottrell who was widely known as one of the worst DCs in the NFL, and prove so again
when Norv brought Cottrell to the Chargers as DC in his HC stint with the Chargers.

Not on subject for what you've said here, but I'd be OK with Phillips returning as a DC because I think our personnel would be a good fit for his style of 3-4. We'd have to add some pieces, though. I know that the last time he coordinated an NFL defense was 2019, but that defense held Brady and New England to 13 points in the Super Bowl.

 

[john van brocklin]

Yes, Ctrl +++ is quite good.

Thanks, you saved my eyesight