Terrell Owens: Real Cowboy or Not?

[Doomsday101]

Remember when Phoneix Talon told us how embarassed he was as an Eagles fan and how mad and embarassed Reid and the organization was when Owens did that against us.

:laugh2: :laugh1:

We had to remind him that, "you are a fraud, he wasn't playing for the Eagles when that happened!"

What a moron PT has turned out to be !!!

I recall him making that comment as well. For me yes like most Cowboy fans that day I was PO'ed at TO for doing that. Not because it was the star but because I felt it showed a lack of respect for the sport, the opponent and was an overall classless act and hey TO is not the only guy to play in Pro Sports that I feel is classless.

 

[JonJon]

Absolutely not.

I am sure what was running through his head at the time was that he was doing that for all the great heritage of "the star" and was committing an act of a "true Cowboy" for every Cowboy fan, everywhere.

:laugh2:

George Teague: Arrrrgh! Must defend star and Cowboys integrety at all cost!

 

[DallasEast]

I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but this whole standing on the star deal is way past ridiculous. What really is the big deal? The 49ers and Cowboys were bitter rivals at the time; Owens saw an opportunity to slap us in the face. That is what rivals do...it wouldn't be a rivalry if everyone played nice.

But let's reverse the roles for argument sake. What if Michael Irvin, after catching a touchdown in the championship game against the 49ers in Candlestick Park ran to their center field and did the exact same thing Owens did. Would you disown him as a fan, or would you continue to support him?

That's a fantasy question. It never happened.

Better question (as I've touched upon previously): Why hasn't ANYONE anywhere (not just the NFL) repeated Owens' foolishness since that day? After all, according to those who feel he has done no wrong, what he did was meaningless ( definition ), right?

 

[JonJon]

That's a fantasy question. It never happened.

Better question (as I've touched upon previously): Why hasn't ANYONE anywhere (not just the NFL) repeated Owens' foolishness since that day? After all, according to those who feel he has done no wrong, what he did was meaningless ( definition ), right?

Because he received a one game suspension for it..the same reason you don't see people doing the throat slah anymore. He served his one game suspension and moved on. So has the Cowboys organization. Even Jerry Jones said there are no hard feelings about the incedent. So why are fans still holding on to something that happened nearly a decade ago? I don't think anyone is saying that it wa meaningless. But many feel that it is no 'big deal' ( definition )

 

[DallasEast]

Because he received a one game suspension for it..the same reason you don't see people doing the throat slah anymore. He served his one game suspension and moved on. So has the Cowboys organization. Even Jerry Jones said there are no hard feelings about the incedent.

Owens could not have cared less about his 'one-game suspension'.

The throat slash and other examples presented in either the defense of Owens or to explain Owens actions that day have yet to equal the Star inicident. 'Throat slash'...

Finally, Jones is on record. The entire Cowboys organization might feel the same way. Perhaps some may not. One thing is certain. Every fan of his franchise does not feel the same as he does about this or any other issue. Thankfully, he understands that fact.

'Throat slash'.

So why are fans still holding on to something that happened nearly a decade ago?

I don't know. Why do people feel so strongly about something that they do not 'let it go'?

Why do some people feel strongly that President Bush stole the 2000 election? That was years ago.

Why do some people feel strongly that Jane Fonda was a traitor to her country during the Vietnam War? That was years ago.

Why do some people feel strongly about Babe Ruth's defection to the Yankees from the Red Sox? That was years ago.

Why do some people feel strongly that their predecessors not having any citizenship rights in this country? That was years ago.

Why do some people feel strongly about Europeans landing in this country and establishing settlements in their backyards? That was years ago.

Who knows why some people feel strongly about things. It's just something some people do, I guess.

I don't think anyone is saying that it wa meaningless. But many feel that it is no 'big deal' ( definition )

There's a huge gap between 'Meaningless' and 'big deal', alright.


'Throat slash'. I doubt that many fans who feel strongly about Owens would've cared one iota if he had done a throat slash that day.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

People still talking about the "Star Wars" incident. T.O. has committed a ton of against the Spirit of Football Sportmanship, but anger directed at Owens for his part in the Star Wars Incident is extremely misguided and should be re-directed to our Defense, mainly the secondary.

Owens has done many things to provoke anger and nashing of teeth, I am of the opinion that The Star Wars incident ranks very low on his long list of selfish and foolish acts.

- Mike G.

 

[juck]

I can't believe this thread still breathes.lol.

 

[JonJon]

Owens could not have cared less about his 'one-game suspension'.

The throat slash and other examples presented in either the defense of Owens or to explain Owens actions that day have yet to equal the Star inicident. 'Throat slash'...

Finally, Jones is on record. The entire Cowboys organization might feel the same way. Perhaps some may not. One thing is certain. Every fan of his franchise does not feel the same as he does about this or any other issue. Thankfully, he understands that fact.

'Throat slash'. I don't know. Why do people feel so strongly about something that they do not 'let it go'?

Why do some people feel strongly that President Bush stole the 2000 election? That was years ago.

Why do some people feel strongly that Jane Fonda was a traitor to her country during the Vietnam War? That was years ago.

Why do some people feel strongly about Babe Ruth's defection to the Yankees from the Red Sox? That was years ago.

Why do some people feel strongly that their predecessors not having any citizenship rights in this country? That was years ago.

Why do some people feel strongly about Europeans landing in this country and establishing settlements in their backyards? That was years ago.

Who knows why some people feel strongly about things. It's just something some people do, I guess.

So let me get this understanding. The throat slash, a signal meaning the taken of ones life by means of slashing ones throat with a sharp object, considered a threat to ones well being, does not equal the star incident, in which a player posed on a teams' logo??? I don't know about you, but throat slashing is more serious in my opinion. But you go ahead to compare the star incident, something that happened in a regular-season football sports game, to world political and economic events? I hope you see the irony in this.

There's a huge gap between 'Meaningless' and 'big deal', alright.


'Throat slash'. I doubt that many fans who feel strongly about Owens would've cared one iota if he had done a throat slash that day.

You are right. There is a huge gap. And like I said before, I am not saying that the incident didn't have any importance, but Owens was punished for his actions and the organization moved forward. The fans should have moved along as well. It's not like he scored a TD and took a piss on our coaches leg or something. He stood on the logo and posed. No big deal. Throat slash. LOL

 

[DallasEast]

So let me get this understanding. The throat slash, a signal meaning the taken of ones life by means of slashing ones throat with a sharp object, considered a threat to ones well being, does not equal the star incident, in which a player posed on a teams' logo??? I don't know about you, but throat slashing is more serious in my opinion. But you go ahead to compare the star incident, something that happened in a regular-season football sports game, to world political and economic events? I hope you see the irony in this.

So, in your opinion, people should take your example of something offensive and agree with you...

...but, if someone else's example doesn't meet your standards, it's written off as 'meaningless'.

How ironic.

You are right. There is a huge gap.

Yeah. The difference between a mole hill and an ant hill. Big difference. Huge. Gigantic, even.

And like I said before, I am not saying that the incident didn't have any importance, but Owens was punished for his actions and the organization moved forward. The fans should have moved along as well.

All fans have moved forward. Not forgetting something doesn't equate to not living with the consequences of someone else's actions.

It's not like he scored a TD and took a piss on our coaches leg or something. He stood on the logo and posed. No big deal. Throat slash. LOL

Like I've said. Your 'no big deal' is 'meaningless'. We all know what he actually did. Should he have done as you suggested, he would've received more of a physical beating than what George Teague dissed out to him, which was actually nothing harmful at all.

 

[zeromaster]

Finally a TO thread that rivals the latest PacMan/MVick/Romunderwood discussions.

Ah, the offseason. When we can't get worked up about the Cowboys opponents we get worked up about each other. Truly the Web is a mirror, with no magic involved.

 

[DallasEast]

Finally a TO thread that rivals the latest PacMan/MVick/Romunderwood discussions.

Ah, the offseason. When we can't get worked up about the Cowboys opponents we get worked up about each other. Truly the Web is a mirror, with no magic involved.

I'm frankly astounded. All I said was...

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1513057&postcount=51

...and, all of a sudden, people automatically fell into Protect Owens mode. Which reminds me...



Where the heck is BleuStar anyway?

 

[JonJon]

So, in your opinion, people should take your example of something offensive and agree with you...

...but, if someone else's example doesn't meet your standards, it's written off as 'meaningless'.

Why are you caught up on the word meaningless? That is your word, not mine. I already told you that the Owens star incident was worthy of punishment, but it wasn't as important as people try to make it seem. You even went as far as to compare that incident with the presidential election and citizenship rights.

How ironic. Yeah. The difference between a mole hill and an ant hill. Big difference. Huge. Gigantic, even.

I think we have already established that.

All fans have moved forward. Not forgetting something doesn't equate to not living with the consequences of someone else's actions.

No, they haven't. We still have 'fans' threatening not to watch the Cowboys games and even the NFL as long as Owens is on the Cowboys roster. Does that sound like 'moving forward' to you, or holding onto a grudge?

Like I've said. Your 'no big deal' is 'meaningless'. We all know what he actually did. Should he have done as you suggested, he would've received more of a physical beating than what George Teague dissed out to him, which was actually nothing harmful at all.

Yeah, George Teague really took it to Owens for standing on the star...

We have already acknowledged that Teague's reaction where based on him being humiliated and Owens rubbing it in on national TV. Maybe if Teague and the others had done their job in pass coverage, Owens would have never scored that TD.

 

[Chuck 54]

I think he's a tremendous WR. But he'll never be a true Cowboy to me. He stood on the star. I'll root for him but I won't ever forget that. He's a rent-a-star.

Ditto...and the only reason I'll root for him is to have the team be successful.

 

[nathanlt]

Hey, to the degree that fans take the history of the Cowboys personally, that is the degree to which Owens actions offended them. People who are, I daresay, fanatical about what the star represents. Those people get bent out of shape when someone disrespects it directly, not indirectly through their personal flaws and off the field troubles. These fanatics fly off the handle.

And I certainly did fly off the handle, practically everyone in this chatroom knows that.

 

[Rackat]

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[DallasEast]

Why are you caught up on the word meaningless? That is your word, not mine. I already told you that the Owens star incident was worthy of punishment, but it wasn't as important as people try to make it seem. You even went as far as to compare that incident with the presidential election and citizenship rights.

When you first mentioned the so-called 'comparing' in a previous reply, I thought I had misread it, but I had not. No one compared anything. The examples I gave were to demonstrate events which people do not forget easily. But now, according to you, I'm actually comparing the examples I gave to what Owens did himself..?

Please. :laugh2:

I think we have already established that.

Yep. 'Meaningless' and 'no big deal' are one in the same.

No, they haven't. We still have 'fans' threatening not to watch the Cowboys games and even the NFL as long as Owens is on the Cowboys roster. Does that sound like 'moving forward' to you, or holding onto a grudge?

When you phrase it in that fashion, you are right, but do you realize that you have identified some Cowboys fans and not all Cowboys fans who do not like Owens as an individual? Yes or no? Re-read the portion I placed in bold, if necessary.

Yeah, George Teague really took it to Owens for standing on the star...

We have already acknowledged that Teague's reaction where based on him being humiliated and Owens rubbing it in on national TV. Maybe if Teague and the others had done their job in pass coverage, Owens would have never scored that TD.

'We'? 'We', who? What exactly have 'we' acknowledged and does 'we' include George Teague himself?

'We' hasn't 'acknowledged' jack. 'We' has come to a conclusion based on absolutely nothing that has come out of Teague's mouth. Let's take a look at indirect comments actually made by Teague pertaining to Owens the person and not made by this famous ( ) 'we' you speak of:

"I was a little disappointed in them signing him. I do want the best for the Cowboys. I would like to see them win and get back to the Super Bowl but not at any cost.

(But) If we're really trying to teach our youth something, you know how hard it is for me now to talk to kids and say, You've got to have your character together,' when someone I am probably forever tied to can do whatever he wants and act however he wants and be awarded with a $5 million signing bonus and a nice chunk of change?

I played for nine years and I understand the business aspects of the game and you're trying to win games and create money for yourself as a player or as an owner. I understand all that, but I think there's a level that you don't want to go below just for the sake of a dollar or a Super Bowl ring." - George Teague, Sirius NFL Radio, March 2006. ( http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4196/is_20060326/ai_n16175563 )

Excuse me for a sec.

:laugh1:

Okay, let's be real and honest. George Teague was a nine-year NFL veteran who was beaten in coverage before, during and after the Star incident. Are you going to sit there and say that... SIX YEARS afterwards... he still holds a grudge against Owens for simply beating him in coverage (as IF that is the first time THAT'S happened to him)...

OR...

Are you going to get a grip and realize that Teague does not like anyone who is as unprofessional and self-serving as Owens has always been?

'We' have 'acknowledged'? Who the hell is 'we'? Who? You and Owens?


Good lord...

 

[Maikeru-sama]

When you first mentioned the so-called 'comparing' in a previous reply, I thought I had misread it, but I had not. No one compared anything. The examples I gave were to demonstrate events which people do not forget easily. But now, according to you, I'm actually comparing the examples I gave to what Owens did himself..?

Please. :laugh2: Yep. 'Meaningless' and 'no big deal' are one in the same.When you phrase it in that fashion, you are right, but do you realize that you have identified some Cowboys fans and not all Cowboys fans who do not like Owens as an individual? Yes or no? Re-read the portion I placed in bold, if necessary.
'We'? 'We', who? What exactly have 'we' acknowledged and does 'we' include George Teague himself?

'We' hasn't 'acknowledged' jack. 'We' has come to a conclusion based on absolutely nothing that has come out of Teague's mouth. Let's take a look at indirect comments actually made by Teague pertaining to Owens the person and not made by this famous ( ) 'we' you speak of:

"I was a little disappointed in them signing him. I do want the best for the Cowboys. I would like to see them win and get back to the Super Bowl but not at any cost.

(But) If we're really trying to teach our youth something, you know how hard it is for me now to talk to kids and say, You've got to have your character together,' when someone I am probably forever tied to can do whatever he wants and act however he wants and be awarded with a $5 million signing bonus and a nice chunk of change?

I played for nine years and I understand the business aspects of the game and you're trying to win games and create money for yourself as a player or as an owner. I understand all that, but I think there's a level that you don't want to go below just for the sake of a dollar or a Super Bowl ring." - George Teague, Sirius NFL Radio, March 2006. ( http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4196/is_20060326/ai_n16175563 )

Excuse me for a sec.

:laugh1:

Okay, let's be real and honest. George Teague was a nine-year NFL veteran who was beaten in coverage before, during and after the Star incident. Are you going to sit there and say that... SIX YEARS afterwards... he still holds a grudge against Owens for simply beating him in coverage (as IF that is the first time THAT'S happened to him)...

OR...

Are you going to get a grip and realize that Teague does not like anyone who is as unprofessional and self-serving as Owens has always been?

'We' have 'acknowledged'? Who the hell is 'we'? Who? You and Owens?


Good lord...

Your wasting your time man.

T.O. has a strong cult following and to speak ill of him, whether it be consctructive or destructive criticism, it will always be seen as heresy.

- Mike G.

 

[Hostile]

Your wasting your time man.

T.O. has a strong cult following and to speak ill of him, whether it be consctructive or destructive criticism, it will always be seen as heresy.

- Mike G.

Agreed. He does some things I love. He does some things I hate. When he does the things I love I'm going to say so. When he does the things I hate, I'm also going to say so. I don't care if their skirts blow clear over their heads and their panties get so wadded up that it looks like a baseball in the back of their thong.

 

[DallasEast]

Your wasting your time man.

T.O. has a strong cult following and to speak ill of him, whether it be consctructive or destructive criticism, it will always be seen as heresy.

- Mike G.

I know, but it's crazy. Team sports have been around for a VERY long time. Fans have rooted for their favorite teams, but haven't liked every single player on the team. Yet, there is some unwritten rule that fans have to develop amnesia and 'glorify' all players. Weird.

 

[BouncingCheese]

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