Texas and OU have expressed interest in joining SEC

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Remember 11 SEC schools have to vote them in.

A&M and Missouri have already said they’re against it. I could see Arkansas and or a LSU against it because of recruiting . And I believe Florida and or Georgia were against A&M coming in. Never know.

Just because they’ve announced they plan on leaving there must be an official invitation from enough of the schools in that conference.

I’d look for Big 12 initially to look for other schools to add to conference . Maybe even a big name like Notre Dame or someone from ACC. Unless the remaining schools just splinter off on their own to some in Big 10 and some to Pac 12.


The big 12 should stay together recruit some teams and make OU and UT pay the money...again anyone who bounces to another conference will get there in time to watch this same thing happen, they have already lined this up it is happening wether you like it or not. Teams that are not the top 2 or 3 draw in there conference will be left and out of that will be a good CFB league that they will play. You just will not be getting the same money as the super league because ESPAN and FOX will redo the TV deals with those conferences as soon as they poach the top teams. I will still watch TCU no matter who they are playing and I'm like most I probably wont watch any super league games....
 

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Can't wait and I hope that move AL and AU to the East and let the games begin. Bama playing FL and GA every year would be great.

As a Hog, renewing the rivalry with Texas and a new rivalry with OU, which many of the faithful have always wanted since they stole HOFer Keith Jackson from my old high school in Little Rock, is a real plus and that gets the Hogs back into Texas recruiting. Something the Regents at UT didn't want when they turned down Booger's invitation to play at ATT against AR once a year before he fell back to A&M.

There are some rumors already starting to circulate about SEC Sunday ball on ESPN, the broker on this move to the SEC deal. What do you think high school recruits would be watching on a Sunday night? They sure as hell haven't been watching Biq 12 ball on Saturday mornings.

UT can now dump that bad experiment, The Longhorn Network, and the SECN just gets stronger and a must have for any college football fan. It was for me before this.
 

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The big 12 should stay together recruit some teams and make OU and UT pay the money...again anyone who bounces to another conference will get there in time to watch this same thing happen, they have already lined this up it is happening wether you like it or not. Teams that are not the top 2 or 3 draw in there conference will be left and out of that will be a good CFB league that they will play. You just will not be getting the same money as the super league because ESPAN and FOX will redo the TV deals with those conferences as soon as they poach the top teams. I will still watch TCU no matter who they are playing and I'm like most I probably wont watch any super league games....
The take for each SEC team now goes from 44M to 60M and OU and UT will pay the 80M to get out of the Big 12 deal and into the SEC one in 2022.

The most interesting part of this to me is that the SEC did not go after them, they came to the SEC and ESPN played a role in that. If that were me, I wouldn't stop at 16, I would go after Florida State and Miami and get them to bolt the ACC.
 

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The take for each SEC team now goes from 44M to 60M and OU and UT will pay the 80M to get out of the Big 12 deal and into the SEC one in 2022.

The most interesting part of this to me is that the SEC did not go after them, they came to the SEC and ESPN played a role in that. If that were me, I wouldn't stop at 16, I would go after Florida State and Miami and get them to bolt the ACC.


There are already rumors they are talking to FSU, Clemosn, OSU, PSU....its not stopping at 16. Basically the top teams for market will be drawn into a "super" confernce and the rest will form a "tier2" cfb and play. Funny thing is they do not really care about what your team on the field looks like now they care what you team looks like in market. ND will be forced in because it will be kinda like boxing "you want to play our teams then join our conference". Think of this, OSU is huge but they will be getting half of what the new SEC teams will get once Clemson and FSU join, they will kick the smaller teams out and you will be forced to join if you want to compete in a NIL world.
 

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The big 12 should stay together recruit some teams and make OU and UT pay the money...again anyone who bounces to another conference will get there in time to watch this same thing happen, they have already lined this up it is happening wether you like it or not. Teams that are not the top 2 or 3 draw in there conference will be left and out of that will be a good CFB league that they will play. You just will not be getting the same money as the super league because ESPAN and FOX will redo the TV deals with those conferences as soon as they poach the top teams. I will still watch TCU no matter who they are playing and I'm like most I probably wont watch any super league games....
I’ll be watching the SEC like most.
 

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The most interesting part of this to me is that the SEC did not go after them, they came to the SEC and ESPN played a role in that. If that were me, I wouldn't stop at 16, I would go after Florida State and Miami and get them to bolt the ACC.
I gladly admit I may be on an island here, but IMHO it is pretty sleazy for the media to impact the goings-on in this sort of manner. ESPN uses their influence to promote only the teams (and leagues) they want to and - by a compeltely amazing coincidence - they always promote the teams (and leagues) that they broadcast.
 

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There are some rumors already starting to circulate about SEC Sunday ball on ESPN, the broker on this move to the SEC deal. What do you think high school recruits would be watching on a Sunday night? They sure as hell haven't been watching Biq 12 ball on Saturday mornings.
Not in a million years will major college football be scheduled for Sundays. Yes, I understand that weather events - and pandemics - have led to games being pushed to Sundays, but I mean we will never see a situation where major conferences plan their schedule on Sundays. They would get obliterated by the NFL.

Not to mention that if the NCAA challenged the NFL on Sundays, that would open the door for the NFL to change the federal laws which prevent them from playing on Saturdays (during the college season).
 
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There are already rumors they are talking to FSU, Clemosn, OSU, PSU....its not stopping at 16. Basically the top teams for market will be drawn into a "super" confernce and the rest will form a "tier2" cfb and play.
I don't really care if they form "super conferences" of 24 teams but there comes a point where you wonder what is even the point of having conferences if they are so large? It used to be every team would play every other team in their conference. Then some (most) conferences got so large they had to create divisions. Now you play every team in your division, plus rotate through the other division (give or take a rivalry game).

What is it going to be with 24 teams? Play you own division then every other team once every 6 years? At that point, for all intents and purposes, your "conference" is basically just your own division.
Funny thing is they do not really care about what your team on the field looks like now they care what you team looks like in market. ND will be forced in because it will be kinda like boxing "you want to play our teams then join our conference".
That will never happen. A conference cannot dictate to their member schools who they can and can't play in OOC games. As we all know, it's all about money so as long as Notre Dame brings money (which they do) they will always have plenty of teams willing to schedule them.
 
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Not in a million years will major college football be scheduled for Sundays. They would get obliterated by the NFL.

Not to mention that if the NCAA challenged the NFL on Sundays, that would open the door for the NFL to change the federal laws which prevent them from playing on Saturdays (during the college season).


I agree with one question though, do you think Jerry and Bob are not figuring out how they can profit off of this. As you said there is no money like NFL money and the owners can not wait to be involved in thier "minor league" it wouldn't suprise me if the NFL owners were not the ones telling these schools how to get this done.
 

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I don't really care if they form "super conferences" of 24 teams but there comes a point where you wonder what is even the point of having conferences if they are so large? It used to be every team would play every other team in their conference. Then some conferences got so large they had to create divisions. Now you play every team in your division, plus rotate through the other division (give or take a rivalry game).

What is it going to be with 24 teams? Play you own division then every other team once every 6 years? At that point, your "conference" is little more than you own division.
That will never happen. A conference cannot dictate to their member schools who they can and can't play in OOC games. As we all know, it's all about money so as long as Notre Dame brings money (which they do) they will always have plenty of teams willing to schedule them.



yes "divisions" again sounds a whole lot like the NFL..correct? Man I'm not saying this is good for CFB what I'm saying is they have no leadership and when this happens the money starts leading and here we are. Once the NCAA basically bowed out of CFB it opened the door for money to take the reigns.
 

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I agree with one question though, do you think Jerry and Bob are not figuring out how they can profit off of this. As you said there is no money like NFL money and the owners can not wait to be involved in thier "minor league" it wouldn't suprise me if the NFL owners were not the ones telling these schools how to get this done.
The NFL profits from college by having free talent development. It is basically the NFL's minor league system, saving the NFL the hassle of having to do it themselves. But other than hosting the occasional game (I am sure Jerry gets a piece of the action of all those college games played at AT&T) I don't really see how NFL owners can profit directly. It's not like they can buy a piece of a school.
 

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It's not a done deal... they need 11 of 14 votes to approve...

A&M will likely vote no
Arkansas could vote no
LSU could vote no as it hurts their recruiting in Texas... especially in East Texas...
 

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It's not a done deal... they need 11 of 14 votes to approve...

A&M will likely vote no
Arkansas could vote no
LSU could vote no as it hurts their recruiting in Texas... especially in East Texas...


AtM already came out and said they are on board.....
 

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I gladly admit I may be on an island here, but IMHO it is pretty sleazy for the media to impact the goings-on in this sort of manner. ESPN uses their influence to promote only the teams (and leagues) they want to and - by a compeltely amazing coincidence - they always promote the teams (and leagues) that they broadcast.
I do not see it as sleazy, more self-preservation and they are married to the SEC, would you have them cheat on them with the Big 12 or Big 10?

The super conference is coming regardless of what ESPN does, they're just getting out in front of CBS and Fox.

The entire landscape of college football is changing with some players able to make some very good money, change teams and bigger games for TV.

ESPN was neck deep in rights fees and it just made sense to help make stronger that which they were married to and probably increase the value of it.

And fans of college football get what we want, to see teams like OU teeing it up against better competition in the SEC than Kansas State and Texas Tech. The ingredients are all there for some great rivalries to happen in the four states of AR, LA, OK and TX. UT going against AR and A&M again will be special. And I think AR and OU is one just waiting to happen.

On the other side, Bama and Auburn playing UGA and FL every year will be special.

I would like to see 7 division games and 3 in the other division and fewer tune up games but I don't think they'll go any deeper than 2 into the other division. Less chance of a SEC Championship rematch.
 

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I do not see it as sleazy, more self-preservation and they are married to the SEC, would you have them cheat on them with the Big 12 or Big 10?

The super conference is coming regardless of what ESPN does, they're just getting out in front of CBS and Fox.

The entire landscape of college football is changing with some players able to make some very good money, change teams and bigger games for TV.

ESPN was neck deep in rights fees and it just made sense to help make stronger that which they were married to and probably increase the value of it.

And fans of college football get what we want, to see teams like OU teeing it up against better competition in the SEC than Kansas State and Texas Tech. The ingredients are all there for some great rivalries to happen in the four states of AR, LA, OK and TX. UT going against AR and A&M again will be special. And I think AR and OU is one just waiting to happen.

On the other side, Bama and Auburn playing UGA and FL every year will be special.

I would like to see 7 division games and 3 in the other division and fewer tune up games but I don't think they'll go any deeper than 2 into the other division. Less chance of a SEC Championship rematch.


It is happening, but one thing to remeber, everyone see their team as what it is now and that is not what it will look like in a couple years. This "super" conference is going to have some trouble also, not many schools like maybe 3 others are going to be able to literally money whip recruits as much as AtM and UT....look at the money those 2 schools have its ridiculous as the 3rd team is not even close. There will be some big fights once they start throwing real money around and I see cap and such comming into play.
 

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I do not see it as sleazy, more self-preservation and they are married to the SEC, would you have them cheat on them with the Big 12 or Big 10?
What I "would have" would be for the media to report on the events going on in college football, not create and steer the events going on in college football.
 

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The take for each SEC team now goes from 44M to 60M and OU and UT will pay the 80M to get out of the Big 12 deal and into the SEC one in 2022.

The most interesting part of this to me is that the SEC did not go after them, they came to the SEC and ESPN played a role in that. If that were me, I wouldn't stop at 16, I would go after Florida State and Miami and get them to bolt the ACC.
Doesn't work that way. Their rights are owned fully through 2024. They had to give 18 months notice and pay 2 years severance to leave IN 2025.
So they are either hoping the Big 12 disbands or they are going to negotiate trying to pay much MORE money to get out earlier.
Otherwise they stick another year plus and face insanely hostile crowds and opponents.

ESPN is driving this. So they'll figure it out but contracts signed are contracts signed and the conferences learned from the last round of realignment to protect themselves.

This is happening but it may not be quick or easy.
Football season starts in a month.
 

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The SEC will soon be in direct competition with the NFL. Read the tea leaves.

Fighting for the same players. The colleges can now pay players whatever amount the want. No cap on college teams. Colleges can keep players beyond 4 playing years if they want. Players cut from the NFL can go back to college and play.

Fighting for the same viewers. Fans can only watch a fixed amount of football. Sat and Sun are the big draws. Right now, the NFL has Sun and the SEC has Sat. The SEC now has too many marquee matches and only 2 spotlight games on Sat, one in the afternoon and one at night, won’t cut it. The SEC will have to play games on Sun. Few people have the time or desire to watch football all day Sat and all day Sun.

Right now, I would say college football is more popular in FL and on the West Coast than the NFL. Tebow could have played 15 years at Florida. Florida would have gladly paid Tebow more than what the NFL paid.

The NFL will have to start signing the 17-18 year-old players to futures contracts.

This is it. College Football, as we know it, is going the way of the Rotary Phone Boys and all these guys know it. This move to the SEC is really, imo, a move to consolidate viewership. Eventually, even the SEC is going to die but until then, teams want to cash in on as much as they can because this gravy train, is leaving the station and it aint coming back this way.

jmo

BTW, there is no legal justification that keeps OU and OKSt. connected. Either could leave the other at any time, if they wanted to.
 

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This is it. College Football, as we know it, is going the way of the Rotary Phone Boys and all these guys know it. This move to the SEC is really, imo, a move to consolidate viewership. Eventually, even the SEC is going to die but until then, teams want to cash in on as much as they can because this gravy train, is leaving the station and it aint coming back this way.

jmo

BTW, there is no legal justification that keeps OU and OKSt. connected. Either could leave the other at any time, if they wanted to.


They can and are, there could be state fund implications i guess but with the money that will be on the table...they will fight that in court for sure.
 
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