Texas and OU have expressed interest in joining SEC

[StylisticS]

Not perfect, but I saw this today

I don't really see the Pac12 taking BYU, but who knows.

I don’t either. The pac 12 adding a religious school isn’t happening.

 

[StylisticS]

This is short-sighted and just really bad for College football.
Making one conference so much more powerful than the rest is super league crap that is nauseating.

But we shall see what the state legislatures in Texas and Oklahoma say.
That's been the largest stumbling block thus far.
But if UT and OU have been putting in work for 6 months on this perhaps they have it figured out.

When they tried this with Euro soccer the blowback was swift and merciless.
Quite possible we will see the same here.

Would have happened by now. I think this will be done in the next week or so. While I would like for Texas to be in a better conference, going to the SEC is overkill. That is true for OU as well. I wish they could have gone to the pac 12 but I don’t think they care much for college football like the south and Midwest. Big 10 would have been nice too but the spring sports may suffer.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Would have happened by now. I think this will be done in the next week or so. While I would like for Texas to be in a better conference, going to the SEC is overkill. That is true for OU as well. I wish they could have gone to the pac 12 but I don’t think they care much for college football like the south and Midwest. Big 10 would have been nice too but the spring sports may suffer.

Its bigger than you think...I'm aTCU Frog and it looks like to me they are going after the top 20 marketable teams in the CFB. I expect the big ten teams (OSU and PSU) to be last holdouts but once they have Clemson and FSU...the top big ten teams will fold because there is no other course of action to take....This new league will be "pay for play" and the rest of CFB will form a second tier (I am actually ok with this) and play a more normal format of CFB. Of course any good players will bolt for the super league to get paid so the "other" teams will be dealing with that.

 

[jterrell]

I don't think every conference will have 16....

16 across board is likely (and was the suggested number (4x16 actually)) by the TV panels a couple years back) but there are rumors SEC could go to 20 or 24.

IF that were to happen it changes things mightily but 16 is very nice for 4 pods of 4 which work across all major sports, not just football.

 

[jterrell]

Would have happened by now. I think this will be done in the next week or so. While I would like for Texas to be in a better conference, going to the SEC is overkill. That is true for OU as well. I wish they could have gone to the pac 12 but I don’t think they care much for college football like the south and Midwest. Big 10 would have been nice too but the spring sports may suffer.

They are passing bills in the Texas state legislature as we speak.

Blowback can't happen until people know and start whining. Then it catches fire.
Some of this is inevitable but large state schools with mega state endowments do not just have free will. See UT/OU.
Politics always gets involved.

 

[jterrell]

Not perfect, but I saw this today

I don't really see the Pac12 taking BYU, but who knows.

This is basically my best guess except with Boise State instead of BYU in the PAC.
PAC refuses to cater to any religious rules or institutions.
BYU either stays independent and shoots for top ranked non P whatever school or they also push up on AAC.

 

[DFWJC]

This is basically my best guess except with Boise State instead of BYU in the PAC.
PAC refuses to cater to any religious rules or institutions.
BYU either stays independent and shoots for top ranked non P whatever school or they also push up on AAC.

I agree on BYU in Pac. UNLV seems like a big stretch too.
ACC fans I talk to say WVU would be a no-go there, but I'm not so sure.
AAC folks say UL and CCU are a stretch, that Charlotte, GSU or a 3rd Florida school might better

But really overall, that guess isn't too shabby

 

[jterrell]

I agree on BYU in Pac. UNLV seems like a big stretch too.
ACC fans I talk to say WVU would be a no-go there, but I'm not so sure.
AAC folks say UL and CCU are a stretch, that Charlotte, GSU or a 3rd Florida school might better

But really overall, that guess isn't too shabby

I really enjoyed WVA in the Big12.
Good, competitive school in every sport I care about and they bring a fun culture.
ACC choices get pretty limited after Notre Dame.
WVA def a better target than most other options.

I personally believe all the non SEC conferences should just want to work together to all get to 16 quickly and fight to keep SEC at 16 as well.
To do so I'd refuse to play any SEC school if they go beyond 16 or make any noise about a super conference.
Protect D1 college football at all costs.

 

[CowboyFrog]

If the rumors of the SEC (ESPN) talking to OSU-PSU-Clemson-FSU are true every conference is about to get raided....the money is too big. Literally look at the list of the top marketable CFB programs and there is your new super conference....Money has, does, and always will win out.

 

[Ghost12]

16 across board is likely (and was the suggested number (4x16 actually)) by the TV panels a couple years back) but there are rumors SEC could go to 20 or 24.

I just don't see the SEC going beyond 16. That would surpass the point of diminishing returns. Who could they possibly - and realistically - add that would bring in enough revenue to justify giving that team a share of conference revenue? I mean sure, if Ohio State or USC wanted to join, that would bring in more money than went out.... but there's no financial incentive to adding West Virginia, Georgia Tech or Cincinnati. I can't see all the heavy hitters (Clemson, OSU) going there... other parties would get involved to prevent it....

 

[DFWJC]

If the rumors of the SEC (ESPN) talking to OSU-PSU-Clemson-FSU are true every conference is about to get raided....the money is too big. Literally look at the list of the top marketable CFB programs and there is your new super conference....Money has, does, and always will win out.

I think jt is right.
States have looked the other way up till now, but its reaching a threshold where there will be state-level blowback....and maybe even national level.
Multi-billion dollar state universities do not have free reign to do whatever they choose at the detriment of other state institutions.

And furthermore, an attempt to suck the life out of other top, long-standing conferences, will have institution-level blowback.
It's not out of the question that if they try to vampire the Big Ten and ACC, there may be collusion against the SEC as a whole.

 

[atlantacowboy]

No, not really.

Our WVU, Cowboy fan brother doesn't like it when I say it (and I get why) but they are a horrible fit academically.
The ACC is the highest ranked P5 conference academically....if you average all the programs.

They did look the other way with Louisville though.
I have ECU relatives that used to throw the ACC out there as an option. I hated to break the news that the odds were zero.
Not so with WVU. Lousiville got in. WVU has a ton of old rivals there and has a well-rounded athletic program and rabid fan base.

Look, I have relatives from WV, so I don't want to be snotty. But I do think that's how the ACC admin and ADs will think. Tough hurdle academically, but not impossible
Was just throwing it out there.

Agreed. WVU goes to the ACC. Its a no-brainer. If they voted in Louisville, they are clearly thinking more in terms of athletics than academics.

 

[CowboyFrog]

I think jt is right.
States have looked the other way up till now, but its reaching a threshold where there will be state-level blowback....and maybe even national level.
Multi-billion dollar state universities do not have free reign to do whatever they choose at the detriment of other state institutions.

And furthermore, an attempt to suck the life out of other top, long-standing conferences, will have institution-level blowback.
It's not out of the question that if they try to vampire the Big Ten and ACC, there may be collusion against the SEC as a whole.

750 mill is what UT gets I believe...yes people here in Texas should be pissed as obviously UT makes plenty why do they need all that?


I think this is the only way it stops...but money usually wins, I do see a state like Cali being the first to cut funding when USC does this. Once Cali does then the other states will follow .....problem is its already started so if Oklahoma can't block OU and UT owns the Texas legislature...precedence is being set. ESPN and FOX will join forces to make this happen, again I hope your right but money has aiways won....

 

[DFWJC]

750 mill is waht UT gets I believe...yes people here in Texas should be pissed as obviously UT makes plenty why do they need all that?


I think this is the only way it stops...but money usually wins, I do see a state like Cali being the first to cut funding when USC does this. Once Cali does then the other states will follow .....problem is its already started so if Oklahoma can't block OU and UT owns the Texas legislature...precedence is being set. ESPN and FOX will join forces to make this happen, again I hope your right but money has laways won....

The ship has sailed in Texas, but I think other states--like maybe Ohio and Michigan--will take note.

Because it is stated to state, I'm not sure precedence will carry the same weight.

 

[Ghost12]

 

[atlantacowboy]

I would like to see the weak teams kicked out of the SEC and have it consist solely of:


Texas
OU
Alabama
Auburn
LSU
Florida
Tennessee
Georgia
Mississippi State
TAMU
Arkansas


Would be Super League brutal.

It already is super brutal. Many years, the SEC championship game is , in essence, the national title game.

 

[CowboyFrog]

The ship has sailed in Texas, but I think other states--like maybe Ohio and Michigan--will take note.

Because it is stated to state, I'm not sure precedence will carry the same weight.

Yes true but it depends on what the TV contract looks like for this super league, lets say its half of what the new NFL contract will be split between 20 to 24 schools. Its going to be a very carzy amount. To be honest I am almost for this happening as the schools outside the SEC won't be able to compete as the moeny they are going to make is just going to be too high now. In the end it will be the question of "do you want an Ohio State to compete" or do you want hem to be relegated to 2nd tier? Bama has no Idea what they just moved into the SEC in UT once NIL started you are now able to flow money through the ALumni as "Commercial Likeness" let them get a tatse of trying to keep up with UT and AtM in money..its gonna be crazy.

 

[Ghost12]

Yes true but it depends on what the TV contract looks like for this super league, lets say its half of what the new NFL contract will be split between 20 to 24 schools.

You are crazy if you think the college TV contract for a conference will be half of the NFL's. They are not even remotely in the same neighborhood. ESPN's huge new SEC contract pays the SEC $300 million annually. The NFL gets about 35 times that amount.

I understand college football is going through changes but people are losing their minds when they talk about it as having equal footing with the NFL.

 

[CowboyFrog]

You are crazy if you think the college TV contract for a conference will be half of the NFL's. They are not even remotely in the same neighborhood. ESPN's huge new SEC contract pays the SEC $300 million annually. The NFL gets about 35 times that amount.

I understand college football is going through changes but people are losing their minds when they talk about it as having equal footing with the NFL.

Not equal but half for the 20-24 most marketable teams in a super conference...think of this, they have done it in baby steps they being ESPN. Get the NCAA out of the mix (check). Pave the way for players to be paid (check) create a 12 team playoff (check) start relegating teams (check)....I dont think this is crazy...the money diference in markets between Bama and Vandy is huge and Bama splits it even.....Its not crazy its TV business and I could easily see that confernce and playoff setup getting half (even a third ) of what the NFL get and it will be huge money.

 

[Ghost12]

Not equal but half for the 20-24 most marketable teams in a super conference...

The best conference in college sports is 1/35th of the NFL's TV revenue. If you think adding Ohio State and Clemson gets them up to half, you're just not living in reality.

think of this, they have done it in baby steps they being ESPN. Get the NCAA out of the mix (check). Pave the way for players to be paid (check) create a 12 team playoff (check) start relegating teams (check)....I dont think this is crazy...the money diference in markets between Bama and Vandy is huge and Bama splits it even.....Its not crazy its TV business and I could easily see that confernce and playoff setup getting half (even a third ) of what the NFL get and it will be huge money.

The NFL's TV revenue is 35 times that of the SEC (oh, and by the way.... that ESPN SEC deal covers multiple sports so football by itself doesn't even get the full $300 million....)

The college TV revenue per conference when compared to the NFL is not even in the same atmosphere.