Texas strong or weak?

coogrfan said:
That ain't how cfb works. Occasionally a frosh or soph will make a splash, but good teams are built around a core of juniors and seniors. Texas doesn't have that (or . According to Phil Steele UT is one of the least experienced teams in the country (101st, 8th in the Big XII; see https://philsteele.com/Blogs/2015/JUNE15/DBJune16.html ). Add to that the fact that you don't have a QB, and it's shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that the team has struggled.
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I disagree I have seen top HC go into these big programs and make them competitive in short order. You feel different fine that is your view it is not what I have seen from other top programs.
 
Doomsday101 said:
Yes and much has to with their coach why do you think Harbaugh is there? People were saying Notre Dame football was dead and with Brian Kelly he has turned the program around and did not take him 4 year to make them competitive. You only have these kids for 3 to 4 years this BS of it take 3 or 4 years to turn a program around? No it doesn't if you have the right people and HC. Same at Bama that was not some 4 year turn around they were from having no scholarships to hiring Saban and in year 2 got them to a 12-2 season and that is the SEC
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I don't know that I can agree with this. Kelly was 12-1 in his second year but if you look at that season, Notre Damn was very lucky in their scheduling and got pasted 41-14 by Bama. They were clearly not as good as their 12-1 record that year. The following seasons, they were 9-4 in 2013 and 8-5 in 2014. I do think it takes time but hey, as you said, you are definitely entitled to your opinion on the subject.
 
ABQCOWBOY said:
I don't know that I can agree with this. Kelly was 12-1 in his second year but if you look at that season, Notre Damn was very lucky in their scheduling and got pasted 41-14 by Bama. They were clearly not as good as their 12-1 record that year. The following seasons, they were 9-4 in 2013 and 8-5 in 2014. I do think it takes time but hey, as you said, you are definitely entitled to your opinion on the subject.
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They were at least competitive. I'm sorry Texas does not even look competitive. I know some here are fans of Strong and not trying to disrespect those who do. Myself I'm not a fan of his and I don't buy into this it takes time. This is not pro ball where you can have core players on your team for 7 or 8 years college your players are here 3 to 4 years so winning is now, not down the road.
 
Doomsday101 said:
They were at least competitive. I'm sorry Texas does not even look competitive. I know some here are fans of Strong and not trying to disrespect those who do. Myself I'm not a fan of his and I don't buy into this it takes time. This is not pro ball where you can have core players on your team for 7 or 8 years college your players are here 3 to 4 years so winning is now, not down the road.
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I understand. If that's your opinion, I understand. I just don't agree. I think it takes time, even at Texas.
 
Doomsday101 said:
They were at least competitive. I'm sorry Texas does not even look competitive. I know some here are fans of Strong and not trying to disrespect those who do. Myself I'm not a fan of his and I don't buy into this it takes time. This is not pro ball where you can have core players on your team for 7 or 8 years college your players are here 3 to 4 years so winning is now, not down the road.
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I think you truly underestimate how poor the talent and depth was when Strong arrived. Perhaps a program doesn't need 4 years to get things turned around, but it sure takes more than the 1 1/2 years Strong has been given so far.
 
joseephuss said:
I think you truly underestimate how poor the talent and depth was when Strong arrived. Perhaps a program doesn't need 4 years to get things turned around, but it sure takes more than the 1 1/2 years Strong has been given so far.
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It was surprising to see so many of the so-called "blue chip" upperclassmen get exposed as malcontents or bad apples, and the injuries have been unfortunate as well. Last year's OL was one of the most inexperienced in modern NCAA history, and this year's talent hasn't improved much.
The DB's were better last year, but we lost some good ones and our best LB's.

You could always give a coach a pass his first year, but when you look at this year's roster, the talent is noticeably lacking.

The only playmakers you see are Heard and Jefferson. Daje and Gray have talent, but they rarely find lanes to run.

Settling the open AD position is the first priority, but the behind-the-scenes search for a new HC may have already begun.

If I were Strong, I would want another year of growth before the scrutiny starts. I wouldn't buy any local real estate, though.
 
Texas has soft players and have had so for years. Strong probably is not the coach for the current bunch. They need someone to hold their hands.
 
joseephuss said:
I think you truly underestimate how poor the talent and depth was when Strong arrived. Perhaps a program doesn't need 4 years to get things turned around, but it sure takes more than the 1 1/2 years Strong has been given so far.
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That seems odd to me - Mack Brown, even at the end, had either excellent or at least good recruiting classes. I don't see how the talent could have immediately become terrible when Mack was fired and Strong hired.

UT Recruiting Class National Rankings from 24/7 Sports:

2015 - 9 (Strong's class)
2014 - 16 (Mack & Strong)
2013 - 17
2012 - 2
2011 - 4
2010 - 2

The 2011/2012 classes should be the core/strength of the team right now that is being fielded. 2011 recruits would be seniors now if they redshirted.

Last year's team should've been great, filled primarily with the 2010-12 recruits. Unless Strong ran off the good ones and kept the bad ones or something..
 
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Aggie87 said:
That seems odd to me - Mack Brown, even at the end, had either excellent or at least good recruiting classes. I don't see how the talent could have immediately become terrible when Mack was fired and Strong hired.

UT Recruiting Class National Rankings from 24/7 Sports:

2015 - 9 (Strong's class)
2014 - 16 (Mack & Strong)
2013 - 17
2012 - 2
2011 - 4
2010 - 2

The 2011/2012 classes should be the core/strength of the team right now that is being fielded. 2011 recruits would be seniors now if they redshirted.

Last year's team should've been great, filled primarily with the 2010-12 recruits. Unless Strong ran off the good ones and kept the bad ones or something..
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Those classes from 2010-2012 never developed. Recruiting like the NFL draft is not an exact science. There are always going to be guys who don't amount to squat at the next level and the truly talented ones still need to be coached up. It was very clear that wasn't happening during Brown's last few seasons, which is why the actual talent left at Texas when Strong arrived was very poor. Texas also has missed at the most critical position of QB. Not only missed, but missed badly. Ashe and Swoopes should never have been considered blue chip prospects by any rating service. There wasn't enough true talent when Strong arrived to just reload and fill in a few spots. This is a big rebuilding project. I don't care who Texas hired to replace Brown. Nobody was going to have any immediate success with the condition the team was in and by immediate success I mean in contention for the Big XII title in the first 2 seasons. Now year 3 should be a realistic goal for any coach.
 
I really doubt the talent is that poor like ol joe is claiming. Its just undeveloped and uninspired.
 
the last Olineman drafted from the University of Texas was part of the 2003 recruiting class. Thanks Mack.
 
I love how for years fans of other schools have slammed Texas' recruiting classes as being overated just because it was Texas, now all the sudden they were great so Texas should be awesome. Mack Brown got fat and lazy, sucked his thumb for years because Colt got hurt and his players followed his lead. Strong will get this thing fixed.
 
burmafrd said:
Texas has soft players and have had so for years. Strong probably is not the coach for the current bunch. They need someone to hold their hands.
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not surprising you have no clue of what's going on, Strong is the perfect coach for this group, he's weeding out the fat, soft and lazy players, that's why so many young guys are playing.
 
Supercowboy1986 said:
Yeah heard so far is hands down better then swoopes but still what a a way to lose for the Comeback
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This year is all about the future. Strong is building a team much like Garrett did when he took over. The right kinds of guys and a pound the rock philosophy. I just hope the fat, redneck alumni boosters give him a chance to succeed.
 
AmberBeer said:
Yeah, it could haunt him for a long time. On the bright side, Texas has found their QB finally.
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It was a colossal choke. HIs body language was bad approaching the kick... he did even kick it hard...

And if he had thought and hadn't rotated his leg to AVOID the hit, he would have gotten a running in to/roughing the kicker...

Too bad...
 
trickblue said:
It was a colossal choke. HIs body language was bad approaching the kick... he did even kick it hard...

And if he had thought and hadn't rotated his leg to AVOID the hit, he would have gotten a running in to/roughing the kicker...

Too bad...
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Maybe it makes me a bad person but I don't feel sorry for the kicker. You are right, his body language was awful to the point it looked like he was just going thru the motion and taking for granted there was no way he could miss an extra point. Than to move his leg away from the defense to avoid getting hit looked awkward also. Hell of a comeback however.
 
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