Texas vs Ohio St. thread

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Dallas;2559033 said:
You beat Oklahoma.


NEWSFLASH !!!

You still aren't playing in the NC game. :)


Is getting over it to much to ask? I think so.

You say that like it's a big deal.

OSU was tougher the OU and that's the truth. They proved it on the field.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2559040 said:
You say that like it's a big deal.

OSU was tougher the OU and that's the truth. They proved it on the field.


Texas Tech was to much for Texas. They also proved it on the field.


What exactly is your point here?
 

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Dallas;2559066 said:
Texas Tech was to much for Texas. They also proved it on the field.


What exactly is your point here?

I agree. Tech was better then we were this year.

My point is that we are better then OU.

It's really a pretty simple context once you get your head around it.

:laugh2:
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2559040 said:
You say that like it's a big deal.

OSU was tougher the OU and that's the truth. They proved it on the field.

Because that was far and away the best defense Texas has seen this year.

OU turns into Tech or Mizzou when they play with the Big boys. All offense.. No defense.

If you stop them they still can't stop you.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2559072 said:
I agree. Tech was better then we were this year.

My point is that we are better then OU.

It's really a pretty simple context once you get your head around it.

:laugh2:

And ad nauseum, OU absolutely throttled Texas Tech as well as OSU who you barely beat in your own stadium. The point is any given day, any team can beat another. A great team however, lessens those odds but that is all.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2559018 said:
Strength of schedule is very close, OU 68.5 to Texas 68. Strenght of conference favored UT. What were the statement games to you?

http://www.solecismic.com/frontier/sos9.php

OU went out with a bang. They destroyed highly ranked Tech who just knocked off #1 UT. Then, OU beat a highly ranked OSU in Stillwater (Rivalry game) by 3 touchdowns.

UT's only statement was the RRS. Then, they got dull and OU got better in the second half of the season.

As for UF, their schedule doesn't look quite so tough now that we got all the SEC hype out of the way. It looked tough for the first half of the season, but most on their schedule are average at best.

They still had a tougher road than USC.
 

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Hank Johnson;2559395 said:
OU went out with a bang. They destroyed highly ranked Tech who just knocked off #1 UT. Then, OU beat a highly ranked OSU in Stillwater (Rivalry game) by 3 touchdowns.

UT's only statement was the RRS. Then, they got dull and OU got better in the second half of the season.

As for UF, they're schedule doesn't look quite so tough now that we got all the SEC hype out of the way. It looked tough for the first half of the season, but most on their schedule are average at best.

They still had a tougher road than USC.


I don't know if they can handle more simple reasoning Hank.
 

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Hank Johnson;2559395 said:
OU went out with a bang. They destroyed highly ranked Tech who just knocked off #1 UT. Then, OU beat a highly ranked OSU in Stillwater (Rivalry game) by 3 touchdowns.

UT's only statement was the RRS. Then, they got dull and OU got better in the second half of the season.

As for UF, their schedule doesn't look quite so tough now that we got all the SEC hype out of the way. It looked tough for the first half of the season, but most on their schedule are average at best.

They still had a tougher road than USC.
Well that couldn't be more stupid, looks like the Big 12 was all hype also. The Pac 10 looks to be the best conference after the bowl games.
 

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Rowdy;2559140 said:
And ad nauseum, OU absolutely throttled Texas Tech as well as OSU who you barely beat in your own stadium. The point is any given day, any team can beat another. A great team however, lessens those odds but that is all.


You were better then Tech. Teams are built in different ways. Some teams match up better with other teams. You were better then Tech. Texas is better then OU.

Since the only true scale is on the field of play, the any given day thing is out the window. You had your day to prove you were better. It's come and gone and OU lost. It's really as simple as that.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2559806 said:
You were better then Tech. Teams are built in different ways. Some teams match up better with other teams. You were better then Tech. Texas is better then OU.

Since the only true scale is on the field of play, the any given day thing is out the window. You had your day to prove you were better. It's come and gone and OU lost. It's really as simple as that.

So in your opinion, who's the better team of last year? New York or Dallas?
 

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Hank Johnson;2559395 said:
OU went out with a bang. They destroyed highly ranked Tech who just knocked off #1 UT. Then, OU beat a highly ranked OSU in Stillwater (Rivalry game) by 3 touchdowns.

UT's only statement was the RRS. Then, they got dull and OU got better in the second half of the season.

As for UF, their schedule doesn't look quite so tough now that we got all the SEC hype out of the way. It looked tough for the first half of the season, but most on their schedule are average at best.

They still had a tougher road than USC.


At the end of the day, the schedules between OU and Texas are almost identical according to strength of schedule. To say that Texas got dull, IMO, is subjective. Texas and OU meet on 10/11. Texas defeated OU convingly and went on to destroy Missouri. They played a tough game against OSU, lost in Lubback, destroyed Baylor, destroyed Kansas, destroyed TAM. I don't see how that equates to dull.

I mean, you can say that OU played better down the stretch but I don't really see it. They put up more points but they also gave up more points. You can very easily say that Texas played better because they were superior defensively. I watched the OU/OSU game and let me just tell ya that OU didn't look dominating in that game at all. In fact, with 10 minutes in the 4th quarter, the score was 44-41. A 37 yard shanked punt by OSU, a blown assignment allowing a free sack on Robinson and a fumble by OSU accounted for the final score in the last 7 minutes or so. I'm not saying OU didn't deserve to win that game because they did IMO but I would not call it an impressive or dominating win either. They gave up 41. That's not impressive by any means.

You can say that OU played tougher teams down the stretch but then again, you also have to agree that Texas played a brutal stretch in the middle of the season that I doubt anybody in the country could have done and gone unbeaten. We play Tech earlier or later and I don't know that we lose that game. Again, speculation but that's what's going on here right?

After the Tech loss, Texas played the following.

Baylor 45-21
Kansas 35-7
TAM 49-9

OU played all of those teams earlier in the year. with the following results.

Baylor 49-17
Kansas 45-31
TAM 66-28

Was OU really that much more impressive? I don't see it.

In week 11, after lossing to Tech, we were #3 and OU was #5. In week 14, after OU had already beaten Tech, we were #2, OU was #3. Now, 1/3 of the BCS ranking is computer generated, 1/3 is writers and 1/3 is coaches poll. If we are ranked ahead of OU after the defeat of Tech, then I don't see how you can say that OU was more impressive down the stretch the was Texas. Yes, OU put up big offensive numbers but Texas shut down everybody they played and they scored big. The computers were vertually deadlocked. The writers were split. How on earth can the coaches say that OU deserves to be ranked higher in week 15? I mean, that just makes no sense to me at all. If any one of the coaches were in the position Texas was in, not one of them would vote for another team to jump them in the polls, under the same circumstances. That's what I have a problem with.

As far as Florida goes, well, Florida only jumped Texas because they played an extra game against Alabama. The only commen opponent Texas and Florida played was Arkansas. Texas played Arkansas 9/27 and beat them 52-10. They played Florida the next week and lost 38-7. I don't think that Arkansas is more deserving either but we didn't play them head to head and the real reason for them jumping us in the polls is because we didn't get to play for the Big 12 championship.

It is what it is but nobody will ever convince me that OU was better or more deserving this year.

Texas beat a very tough Ohio State team and I'm very proud of that. Everybody wanted to see OU in the title game. Well, they are there. Lets see what they do with it.
 

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Rowdy;2559921 said:
So in your opinion, who's the better team of last year? New York or Dallas?

When it counted the most New York but it was still determined on the field of play.
 

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Rowdy;2559921 said:
So in your opinion, who's the better team of last year? New York or Dallas?


NY was the better team. They won a championship and we went home. However, you can't compare the NFL to College football. I know that you want to do this but it's not the same. In the NFL, you have a chance to play teams multiple times and you prove it on the field. In College, you get one shot or maybe none and somebody decides who the prettier team is based on opinion. It's not the same.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2559941 said:
Everybody wanted to see OU in the title game. Well, they are there. Lets see what they do with it.

Oh come on. So what's your proof of any conspiracy, agenda or whatever that you can make that ridiculous claim? Votes? Please. It was very close on the voting and it wasn't like a landslide or anything that skewed it.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2559954 said:
NY was the better team. They won a championship and we went home. However, you can't compare the NFL to College football. I know that you want to do this but it's not the same. In the NFL, you have a chance to play teams multiple times and you prove it on the field. In College, you get one shot or maybe none and somebody decides who the prettier team is based on opinion. It's not the same.

Your ideals are different than most others then. Because most football fans realize that on any given day, anyone can lose. In college football, its obvious you try to win out all your games. But to state that a win over a team carries you the entire year is simply not the complete factor in deciding who goes to the title game. If it was, then I'd be :bang2: and telling you guys good luck in the Championship.
 

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Rowdy;2559962 said:
Oh come on. So what's your proof of any conspiracy, agenda or whatever that you can make that ridiculous claim? Votes? Please. It was very close on the voting and it wasn't like a landslide or anything that skewed it.


The coaches poll jumped OU over Texas for the Big 12 South. Name me one coach in the country that would rank a team they had already beaten ahead of there own team (given identical season records) in the same circumstances. The coaches poll vote is what made the difference. The computers and the writers were vertually deadlocked.

The whole conspiracy thing are your words, not mine. However, I am interested in hearing your reply on the coaches poll voting.
 

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Rowdy;2559970 said:
Your ideals are different than most others then. Because most football fans realize that on any given day, anyone can lose. In college football, its obvious you try to win out all your games. But to state that a win over a team carries you the entire year is simply not the complete factor in deciding who goes to the title game. If it was, then I'd be :bang2: and telling you guys good luck in the Championship.

So then, you've polled all others then? Results please.

On any given day, any team can lose but when it's one and done, most teams don't lose head to head and still move on. Unless, of course, you are OU.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2559984 said:
The coaches poll jumped OU over Texas for the Big 12 South. Name me one coach in the country that would rank a team they had already beaten ahead of there own team (given identical season records) in the same circumstances. The coaches poll vote is what made the difference. The computers and the writers were vertually deadlocked.

The whole conspiracy thing are your words, not mine. However, I am interested in hearing your reply on the coaches poll voting.

Now why is it up to me to provide names of coaches to counteract your argument? You made my point quite clear in your response. COACHES all over the country made that distinction. They weren't voting for their team.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2559993 said:
So then, you've polled all others then? Results please.

On any given day, any team can lose but when it's one and done, most teams don't lose head to head and still move on. Unless, of course, you are OU.

We could create a poll right here on this forum then and Ill stand by it and you stand by it. OK? It will basically state "Do you agree that on any given day, a football team can lose to an inferior team?"

I'll stand by the results, will you?
 

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Rowdy;2559998 said:
Now why is it up to me to provide names of coaches to counteract your argument? You made my point quite clear in your response. COACHES all over the country made that distinction. They weren't voting for their team.

Because you made the claim, "Your ideas are different then most others".

I don't know if my ideas are different or not. I know this, no coach in the country would vote a team they've already beaten ahead of their own team if both had identical records.
 
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