The 3-4 solution

[big dog cowboy]

i guess you are preaching patience because you think taco is going to look bad.

It's got zero to do with Taco. You draft for long term. Like they did with Jaylon. Drafting for whoever ever is going to have the best year as a rookie is a horrible draft stragedy.

 

[waldoputty]

He was an OLB at UCLA and ATL traded over us to get him before we drafted could draft him.

Again they unlike you liked Charlton and picked him over Watt because he wasn't a projection. That does not preclude them from drafting projections.

you cannot seem to understand.
i do not like or dislike taco.
i will like him if he is good and hate him if he is bad.
we shall see what happens.
we were told taco is a RDE.
i would like to see that.
if he is not a RDE, then we have yet another LDE/3-tech type.

 

[TheCoolFan]

It's a passing league, might as well just run nickel defense/4-2-5 all the time now

 

[waldoputty]

It's got zero to do with Taco. You draft for long term. Like they did with Jaylon. Drafting for whoever ever is going to have the best year as a rookie is a horrible draft stragedy.

Jaylon is a generational player at a discount.
that is special circumstances.

if 1 player exceeds the other after a year or 2, it does not mean the 1st player goes to zero.
you got 4-5 years with a draft pick.
1-2 years is a big % of the value.

 

[KingintheNorth]

if he is not a RDE, then we have yet another LDE/3-tech type

Taco isn't really a true rush end (RDE) but he may have to play there out of necessity. He's an Anchor or strong side end. He could possibly play the 5 technique but I don't really see him as a 3-tech like you suggested. Tyrone Crawford is a tweener. He was a 4-3 Anchor at Boise State. When we drafted him, we still ran a 3-4, told him to bulk up. Like Jason Hatcher, he was only tried at 3-tech out of pure necessity. Traditionally, a 3-Tech is closer to 6 foot tall and a quick, one-gape penetrator. Hatcher is 6 foot 6, Crawford is 6 foot 4. Malik Collins and Aaron Donald, your prototype 3-Tech, are closer to 6 foot 1.

 

[KingintheNorth]

It's a passing league, might as well just run nickel defense/4-2-5 all the time now

My guess is that most team's 5th DB plays more snaps than their 3rd LB.

The Nickel Slot is basically its own position now.

 

[waldoputty]

I see why I and many others are so confused. That isn't what you said in the OP:
A lot of handwringing over this.

These were my first 3 lines in the OP:
"We are all hoping Taco plays like Hardy or Bosa.
His physical traits are pretty much equal or in some ways little better.
However, if he does not pan out, what do we do."

How much more clear could I be?
If Taco or other man the RDE like a champ, we win.
Of course I am not advocating blowing it up if the defense works and we win the superbowl.

 

[waldoputty]

He called a decent amount of blitzes in some games last season. I feel that Eberflus might tend to push him towards more blitzing if he get a chance.

We then need to draft those players that are good on the blitzes.
Who do we have now?

 

[waldoputty]

He was an OLB at UCLA and ATL traded over us to get him before we drafted could draft him.

Again they unlike you liked Charlton and picked him over Watt because he wasn't a projection. That does not preclude them from drafting projections.

well they liked charlton because he is not a projection.
they also said he is a passrushing RDE.
so everything should be fine and dandy.
lets count our chickens for the playoffs and beyond.
however, if he is not even a RDE and a LDE like many are saying, then there is a big problem.

 

[waldoputty]

Taco isn't really a true rush end (RDE) but he may have to play there out of necessity. He's an Anchor or strong side end. He could possibly play the 5 technique but I don't really see him as a 3-tech like you suggested. Tyrone Crawford is a tweener. He was a 4-3 Anchor at Boise State. When we drafted him, we still ran a 3-4, told him to bulk up. Like Jason Hatcher, he was only tried at 3-tech out of pure necessity. Traditionally, a 3-Tech is closer to 6 foot tall and a quick, one-gape penetrator. Hatcher is 6 foot 6, Crawford is 6 foot 4. Malik Collins and Aaron Donald, your prototype 3-Tech, are closer to 6 foot 1.

if we were sold that taco is a rde, i dont want to hear that he is really a lde.
we dont need yet another lde type, we need a passrush.
otherwise we are going to be watching rodgers waltzing around the backfield again like last year.

 

[SportsGuru80]

No thanks.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Did you do an in-depth analysis of them in their 1st preseason game?

Hardy started zero games as a rookie.

Even Larry Allen and Darren Woodson didn't start as rookies until injuries forced them to start a few games (2 for Woodson, 10 for LA).

JPP started zero games as a rookie. He didn't start 100% of the games where he was active in a season until his 5th year.

Suggs started 1 game as a rookie.

But we can't wait several years for Taco to produce can we? We need him to produce now and thats the reason why he was selected ion the first round. The other players you mentioned didn't need to start right away or they had no reason to start them. As with Taco, we need him to produce and Im sure the majority of us here want that to happen.

 

[xwalker]

But we can't wait several years for Taco to produce can we? We need him to produce now and thats the reason why he was selected ion the first round. The other players you mentioned didn't need to start right away or they had no reason to start them. As with Taco, we need him to produce and Im sure the majority of us here want that to happen.

Then you needed to trade up to #1 overall and select Myles Garrett. That would only require all picks from 2017, 2018 and maybe 2019.

In reality they have many options. Mayowa had 6 sacks last season despite only startingb6 games.

Dlaw is a decent player if healthy.

Tapper is in his 2nd year.

D.Moore has shown the ability in real games. He just needs to keep his mouth shut.

Irving when he returns will be fresh and he has shown terrific ability at times.

If Jaylon plays, he was a terrific pass rusher in college.

If they "had" to have a DE this season then that"s the purpose of free agency, not the draft.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

It's a passing league, might as well just run nickel defense/4-2-5 all the time now

Dallas also uses the 3-2-6 defense quite a bit.

They have the d-linemen to run a 3-man defensive line for stretches... But it's going to be with fewer than 4 linebackers on the field.

I do not envision the Cowboys going back to a 3-4 defense any time soon.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

you cannot seem to understand.
i do not like or dislike taco.
i will like him if he is good and hate him if he is bad.
we shall see what happens.
we were told taco is a RDE.
i would like to see that.
if he is not a RDE, then we have yet another LDE/3-tech type.

Between Mayowa and Tapper, the Cowboys have two guys who fit the prototypical "bill" for RDE in a 4-3.

If Charlton has to move over to the other side... Not a big set-back IMO. Let he and Lawrence split snaps there and move Irving/Crawford inside.

In addition the Cowboys do run some 3-man defensive line and you have Crawford/Irving who can play the DE spots in that scheme.

 

[LocimusPrime]

The 4-3 was a Cowboy invention (ole Tom) and the Cowboys should stay with it.

 

[LocimusPrime]

yes and no.
how many DEs were drafted at 28 -4 or 5 or 6?
how many OLBs - of those picked, davis is not even the blitzing type leaving you with reddick and harris, and dallas actually considered him as a DE rather than an OLB.
so basically 1 OLB was picked before Dallas - and we could have picked Watt.

1Browns Garrett, Myles DE 6'4" 272 Texas A&M 7.6
3(3) 49ers (From Bears) Thomas, Solomon DE 6'3" 273 Stanford 6.8
13(13) Cardinals Reddick, Haason LB 6'1" 237 Temple 6.3
14(14) Eagles (From Vikings) Barnett, Derek DE 6'3" 259 Tennessee 6.1
17(17) Commanders Allen, Jonathan DE 6'3" 286 Alabama 6.8
21(21) Lions Davis, Jarrad LB 6'1" 238 Florida 5.9
22(22) Dolphins Harris, Charles OLB 6'3" 253 Missouri 6.0
26(26) Falcons (From Seahawks) McKinley, Takkarist DE 6'2" 250 UCLA 6.2

I really liked Watt. I think he's going to be a pro bowl type player

 

[LocimusPrime]

OK. That was not really the point l was making. The Seahawks, like say, the Patriots employ a highbred system its still a 4-3...basically..but l get what your saying. Those defenses are still darn good...even with a salary cap..etc. it can be done. Not easy, and maybe not with the Cowboys offense oriented FO. .

 

[LocimusPrime]

That IMO is the biggest disappointment with the FO........four years into this system and we are still looking for the elite edge player. We may the 3-T in Collins but w/o an elite edge, he's going to see a ton double team

Exactly we have been building this Dline for 4 years and still no results. Does it take 6 years? 8 years ? To rebuild a Dline?

 

[Pants]

not sold on Taco just yet, but intrigued and hopeful like most others in here...he just seems like another DLaw-type...that isn't necessarily a bad thing....but, if he doesn't pan out, get rid of Marinelli/Garrett/4-3? That is A LOT to consider based on one late first round pick