The 3-4 solution

[JBS]

Let's try moving dak to safety

We have a hole there and it's the most difficult piece for us to find

 

[Toruk_Makto]

please see post 5, 13 and 18 as well as others following.

I was quoting post 5....

 

[jterrell]

This is the Skip Bayless of threads.

 

[waldoputty]

Let's try moving dak to safety

We have a hole there and it's the most difficult piece for us to find

no but we can try rico at DE

 

[Toruk_Makto]

no but we can try rico at DE

You are full of awful ideas.

 

[waldoputty]

You are full of awful ideas.

some of us do not need to use an obvious joke to attack someone
i was not even trying to bait u...

 

[lostar2009]

There is a reason why we switch to 3-4 D.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

1) thornton and crawford can and have played DE in 3-4.
collins is similar size.
taco is 280 already and many said he needs to be weight/strength.
furthermore, many have already said he plays better inside.

2) getting a NT is much much easier than getting a passrush NT in the draft. and much much cheaper in FA.

3) alexander provided a chart of the top pass rushers and 2/3 of them are OLBs.
fuzzy claim it is wrong, but has proved no proof.
it just looks like a simple listing from an internet site to me, so hard to belief it is wrong.

4) drafting an OLB - i already provided a listing of the drafted pressure players in 2016 draft. the RDE candidates were grabbed first.

5) i actually want to put jaylon as an ILB in the 3-4 and draft/sign the pass rush OLB.
there you go for 2018 offseason:
draft pick #1 - OLB
draft pick #2 - NT
draft pick #3 - OG
FA - if we sign an OLB, transition is done. NT would be nice if price is right.

6) in the 2016 free agency, what was available for high-sack players that were not franchised?
JPP was franchised and so was Chandler Jones.
who was not franchised? - Nick Perry.
what does Perry play - OLB.

you need to learn to think out of the box.

Again you are playing fantasy football. Your entire premise was based on 16 plays from a meaningless preaseson game, the first one at that after two weeks of practice. You expected domination as obvious and thats impossibe.

Having played 3-4 vs. Being effective are two diferent thing which you are clearly ignoring. 280 is light for 3-4 DE and doesn´t mean you will be effective given charlton played 4-3 DE.

Its nt legos. Its football.

Thinking outside the box? Or knee jerk reaction? there is a fine line. as somebody said we are coming off a 13-3 season. But you are hell bent on proving yourself right. You are not looking very smart.

 

[LocimusPrime]

I like the 4-3, 3-4, 5-2, 6-1

But I really hate the 2-5 and 1-6

The 0-7 is really really bad. I think the last play against Green Bay we tried to rush 3 and it looked like an 0-7 with all the linemen lying on the ground either pulled down or tripped up

 

[waldoputty]

Again you are playing fantasy football. Your entire premise was based on 16 plays from a meaningless preaseson game, the first one at that after two weeks of practice. You expected domination as obvious and thats impossibe.

Having played 3-4 vs. Being effective are two diferent thing which you are clearly ignoring. 280 is light for 3-4 DE and doesn´t mean you will be effective given charlton played 4-3 DE.

Its nt legos. Its football.

Thinking outside the box? Or knee jerk reaction? there is a fine line. as somebody said we are coming off a 13-3 season. But you are hell bent on proving yourself right. You are not looking very smart.

the premise has nothing to do with taco's 16 plays.
this thread is in the event the DL sucks because none of our DEs progress.
perhaps some of you feel defensive about defending the taco pick.
nobody knows for sure how he is going to do this year so we may as well patiently watch and see what happens

crawford was playing fine in the 3-4 DE, and so was thornton.
taco is 280 now, and most are saying he lacks enough strength and talking of him gaining weight to at least 290 or more.
that is plenty for playing end in a 3-4.
you may remember ratliff was ~300 playing NT.
I already wrote this a couple times, so you must be selectively reading.

you should know that 3-4 DEs are pretty much nonglamorous support players.
the sacks and pressures would come from the LBs.
that is where the draft talent is avaialble for our likely draft slot.
thus that is a good match for us.
the NTs can be drafted 2nd round or later, and can be had in FA much cheaper than DEs.
NFL is changing because of abundant cap space.
you got to adjust with the times.
we cannot count on draft a good DE late in the 1st.
and we cannot count on getting one in FA.

 

[waldoputty]

I like the 4-3, 3-4, 5-2, 6-1

But I really hate the 2-5 and 1-6

The 0-7 is really really bad. I think the last play against Green Bay we tried to rush 3 and it looked like an 0-7 with all the linemen lying on the ground either pulled down or tripped up

LOL if we suck this year, it is time for a change.
unless they want to stick with what fails for 4-5 years.
no more excuses for marinelli if there is another years of crap.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

LOL if we suck this year, it is time for a change.
unless they want to stick with what fails for 4-5 years.
no more excuses for marinelli if there is another years of crap.

The didn't suck last year.

They were 18th in sacks as ratio of sacks per pass attempt.

Not great... Not good... In the "average zone".

But the ratio HAS improved.

In 2014 they were 28th.

In 2015 they were 21st.

I fully expect this year's ratio to be better than last season.

 

[waldoputty]

The didn't suck last year.

They were 18th in sacks as ratio of sacks per pass attempt.

Not great... Not good... In the "average zone".

But the ratio HAS improved.

In 2014 they were 28th.

In 2015 they were 21st.

I fully expect this year's ratio to be better than last season.

well they did not suck, but rodgers just gets 10 seconds to pass.
go ahead and blame the holding.
we need to fix what we can fix.
if this year is more of the same, it is time to make some changes.
1st thing would be canning marinelli and his sacred system.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

well they did not suck, but rodgers just gets 10 seconds to pass.
go ahead and blame the holding.
we need to fix what we can fix.
if this year is more of the same, it is time to make some changes.
1st thing would be canning marinelli and his sacred system.

At some point you have to give Packers credit.

They get paid too.

NO defense is going to make a positive play on every down.

Totally unrealistic.

 

[waldoputty]

At some point you have to give Packers credit.

They get paid too.

NO defense is going to make a positive play on every down.

Totally unrealistic.

it was not 1 play, their OL outplayed our DL most of the game.
no more excuses.
we drafted taco and hopefully together with tapper to fix the DL
lets hope that works.
and tapper's back stays in 1 piece

 

[MichaelWinicki]

it was not 1 play, their OL outplayed our DL most of the game.
no more excuses.
we drafted taco and hopefully together with tapper to fix the DL
lets hope that works.
and tapper's back stays in 1 piece

I personally think Tapper is going to be one heck of an addition.

The other potential "pop" for the defensive line? Lawrence playing like he did a couple years ago. 1 sack for the number of snaps he had last season isn't acceptable.

Get some sacks out of Tapper, Lawrence and this defensive line's sack total takes a nice jump.

 

[waldoputty]

I personally think Tapper is going to be one heck of an addition.

The other potential "pop" for the defensive line? Lawrence playing like he did a couple years ago. 1 sack for the number of snaps he had last season isn't acceptable.

Get some sacks out of Tapper, Lawrence and this defensive line's sack total takes a nice jump.

tapper was the big expenditure in draft resources and we need him to flash and improve.
lets hope tapper plays well against 1st teamers and his back stays ok.
not many trusts lawrence after his 2 back surgeries and supposedly questionable attitude.

we dont need a top5 defense with the offense.
just cannot afford opposing QBs getting 8-10 seconds to pick the D apart.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I like the 4-3, 3-4, 5-2, 6-1

But I really hate the 2-5 and 1-6

The 0-7 is really really bad. I think the last play against Green Bay we tried to rush 3 and it looked like an 0-7 with all the linemen lying on the ground either pulled down or tripped up

Im a 10-1 guy myself

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

well they did not suck, but rodgers just gets 10 seconds to pass.
go ahead and blame the holding.
we need to fix what we can fix.
if this year is more of the same, it is time to make some changes.
1st thing would be canning marinelli and his sacred system.

DLaw and Crawford were playing hurt. McClain's play had deteriorated in the second half of the season. Mayowa and Irving were the only rushers healthy.

We switched to the 3 man front and Heath had gotten a sack the play before.

As it was, Irving was held twice on the play and still managed to flush Rodgers. I have no idea why Durant didn't pursue from his short zone. As it was Jones let Walker get deep on him down the sideline looking for the ball.

It was 1 play and we lost by less than a FG. I attribute Dak's slow start for the loss more so than the rush much less that play.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

the premise has nothing to do with taco's 16 plays.
this thread is in the event the DL sucks because none of our DEs progress.
perhaps some of you feel defensive about defending the taco pick.
nobody knows for sure how he is going to do this year so we may as well patiently watch and see what happens

crawford was playing fine in the 3-4 DE, and so was thornton.
taco is 280 now, and most are saying he lacks enough strength and talking of him gaining weight to at least 290 or more.
that is plenty for playing end in a 3-4.
you may remember ratliff was ~300 playing NT.
I already wrote this a couple times, so you must be selectively reading.

you should know that 3-4 DEs are pretty much nonglamorous support players.
the sacks and pressures would come from the LBs.
that is where the draft talent is avaialble for our likely draft slot.
thus that is a good match for us.
the NTs can be drafted 2nd round or later, and can be had in FA much cheaper than DEs.
NFL is changing because of abundant cap space.
you got to adjust with the times.
we cannot count on draft a good DE late in the 1st.
and we cannot count on getting one in FA.

? well I am a little confused...here is your original post and I quote.
"We are all hoping Taco plays like Hardy or Bosa.
His physical traits are pretty much equal or in some ways little better.

However, if he does not pan out, what do we do.
I think the 3-4 may be the solution."

so now you change your premise that it doesn't have to do with the 16 plays (total of his plays in first preseason game)....so is it about Taco or not?
so which is it. your original post? or this one? or you are changing on the fly because you lost track of your argument? or you just want to argue something differently?

and you say this thread is in the event the DL sucks. well, this was the same premise we changed from 3-4 to 4-3? now we want to change back because we can't figure out what to do?
so lets flip flop and hope for the best?

and who says Crawford was playing fine in the 3-4? your defensive expertise? the problem was the 3-4 DL wasn't good. and we weren't doing good in 3-4 so we changed to 4-3.
now you want to put the same player that wasn't working in the 3-4, back in a 3-4, because he has the height weight ratio that you want to have for a 3-4 DE?

and I read your posts....you haven't made a case... you just mention over and over again, that Taco is 280 and should balk up to 290 and that Crawford is already in that range, so he fits the size ratio for a 3-4 DE, so he must be good at it, because God knows he played it before, regardless if he sucked in it. you justify that by saying, 3-4 DEs are useless bodies anyway (unless you look at JJ Watt!!).

and which talent is available in our draft slot? how do you know what draft slot? and how do you know which player? you are just basing that on last year's draft and TJ Watt being drafted in the 30th spot and you have not even seen him play, yet you are assuming he is a great OLB that's going to be a good pass rusher.. ahhh, hmmm, aha..., we just draft a NT in the 2nd round or later. we got a couple of guys like Taco who has never played 3-4 DE and add 10 pounds to him and make him a 3-4 DE and in the 3-4 DEs don't matter. who cares...they are just bodies with size, weight ration and that's all that matters.

yet, your original proposal is the if the 4-3 DL sucks...we switch to a 3-4 DL and we just put bodies there, make a lot of assumptions and end up with another sucky DL, because its all about the OLB in 3-4 and and that they are dime a dozen in the draft....right?

and I go back to my original response to your post.

why the knee jerk reaction? off of one meaningless preseason game, where obviously your expectations were to dominate and in your mind we didn't and now, lets think about something out of the box, unnecessarily....

this was a 13-3 team. this defense has improved over the past 4 years, by adding pieces. last year they were 14th. yes, 26th in pass defense, but IMO, a lot had to do with secondary that was banged up and sucked really. and why do I say secondary? because we were 13th in sacks..... 5th in scoring defense.....let me repeat....5th IN SCORING DEFENSE

and again, this was a 13-3 team. why blow it up? why have a knee jerk reaction.

oh yeah...I get it...IF the DL sucks... then I guess if we are playing the IF game....can we say if this offense sucks, specifically IF Prescott sucks, lets not waste time....lets just trade dez, and look to trade zeke, because RBs are dime a dozen and we can get a good one in the 2nd round and below, trade our assets and move up to get a top QB, since next year's QB crop is supposed to be good, then trade up again and pick up another OL, prefereably another guard and build a better OL and anyone can run behind and we should fire garrett and linehan and switch to a west coast offense. that is IF that happens...ok fair enough. just a thought....because obviously the timing offense isn't working....that is if