The 3-4 solution

waldoputty

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? well I am a little confused...here is your original post and I quote.
"We are all hoping Taco plays like Hardy or Bosa.
His physical traits are pretty much equal or in some ways little better.

However, if he does not pan out, what do we do.
I think the 3-4 may be the solution."


so now you change your premise that it doesn't have to do with the 16 plays (total of his plays in first preseason game)....so is it about Taco or not?
so which is it. your original post? or this one? or you are changing on the fly because you lost track of your argument? or you just want to argue something differently?

and you say this thread is in the event the DL sucks. well, this was the same premise we changed from 3-4 to 4-3? now we want to change back because we can't figure out what to do?
so lets flip flop and hope for the best?

and who says Crawford was playing fine in the 3-4? your defensive expertise? the problem was the 3-4 DL wasn't good. and we weren't doing good in 3-4 so we changed to 4-3.
now you want to put the same player that wasn't working in the 3-4, back in a 3-4, because he has the height weight ratio that you want to have for a 3-4 DE?

and I read your posts....you haven't made a case... you just mention over and over again, that Taco is 280 and should balk up to 290 and that Crawford is already in that range, so he fits the size ratio for a 3-4 DE, so he must be good at it, because God knows he played it before, regardless if he sucked in it. you justify that by saying, 3-4 DEs are useless bodies anyway (unless you look at JJ Watt!!).

and which talent is available in our draft slot? how do you know what draft slot? and how do you know which player? you are just basing that on last year's draft and TJ Watt being drafted in the 30th spot and you have not even seen him play, yet you are assuming he is a great OLB that's going to be a good pass rusher.. ahhh, hmmm, aha..., we just draft a NT in the 2nd round or later. we got a couple of guys like Taco who has never played 3-4 DE and add 10 pounds to him and make him a 3-4 DE and in the 3-4 DEs don't matter. who cares...they are just bodies with size, weight ration and that's all that matters.

yet, your original proposal is the if the 4-3 DL sucks...we switch to a 3-4 DL and we just put bodies there, make a lot of assumptions and end up with another sucky DL, because its all about the OLB in 3-4 and and that they are dime a dozen in the draft....right?

and I go back to my original response to your post.

why the knee jerk reaction? off of one meaningless preseason game, where obviously your expectations were to dominate and in your mind we didn't and now, lets think about something out of the box, unnecessarily....

this was a 13-3 team. this defense has improved over the past 4 years, by adding pieces. last year they were 14th. yes, 26th in pass defense, but IMO, a lot had to do with secondary that was banged up and sucked really. and why do I say secondary? because we were 13th in sacks..... 5th in scoring defense.....let me repeat....5th IN SCORING DEFENSE

and again, this was a 13-3 team. why blow it up? why have a knee jerk reaction.

oh yeah...I get it...IF the DL sucks... then I guess if we are playing the IF game....can we say if this offense sucks, specifically IF Prescott sucks, lets not waste time....lets just trade dez, and look to trade zeke, because RBs are dime a dozen and we can get a good one in the 2nd round and below, trade our assets and move up to get a top QB, since next year's QB crop is supposed to be good, then trade up again and pick up another OL, prefereably another guard and build a better OL and anyone can run behind and we should fire garrett and linehan and switch to a west coast offense. that is IF that happens...ok fair enough. just a thought....because obviously the timing offense isn't working....that is if

taco is the biggest add to the DL.
the other guys are the same, minus Tapper.
if taco bombs and tapper bombs, we are no better.

no knee jerk reaction.
i have consistently said we cannot really know for weeks, months or even longer with taco.

our draft slot would be pretty obvious given impressive O and crappy D.
similar to what we had this year.
too late for impressive DE candidate.

of course something bad can happen.
but there is no need for that.
over the last year, i have also consistently said, go for the superbowl or tank.
one or the other.
go for the superbowl requires the daddy or serious DL improvement.
if taco/tapper do not provide it, i dont see any DL improvement.
there is nothing worst than going 12-4 then one and out or 2 and out.
dont win what counts (superbowl) and crappy draft pick.

3-4 defense facilitates use of multiple 240lb LBs for rushing the passer.
 

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We are all hoping Taco plays like Hardy or Bosa.
His physical traits are pretty much equal or in some ways little better.

However, if he does not pan out, what do we do.
I think the 3-4 may be the solution.
I would say let marinelli and garrett go (keep the offense/coordinator the same) and go to a blitzing 3-4 and a head coach who is good at game management.

Key advantages:
1. we have most of the players for a 3-4.
2. it is probably easier to draft a Watt OLB type than a top DE.

The transition after the season is surprisingly painless as most of the players are inhouse already:
DT - thornton, Collins, 2nd pick/FA (big 330lb type)
DE - Taco, Irving, Collins, Tcrawford
LOLB - Tapper
ROLB - Jaylon, 1st pick/FA (watt type), Nzeocha
ILB - Jaylon, Lee, Wilson, Nzeocha
DBs - no change

We then draft a LG 3rd round and use the rest of the draft to draft more OLB types.

Not 3-4 again. Dallas needs to continue building for the defense they have not once again change the system and start over. People did this the last time Dallas went from the 4-3 to the 3-4 then back to the 4-3.
 

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4 - 3 all the way

I don't like Marinelli version of

to old to many teams now how to beat it
 

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taco is the biggest add to the DL.
the other guys are the same, minus Tapper.
if taco bombs and tapper bombs, we are no better.

no knee jerk reaction.
i have consistently said we cannot really know for weeks, months or even longer with taco.

our draft slot would be pretty obvious given impressive O and crappy D.
similar to what we had this year.
too late for impressive DE candidate.

of course something bad can happen.
but there is no need for that.
over the last year, i have also consistently said, go for the superbowl or tank.
one or the other.
go for the superbowl requires the daddy or serious DL improvement.
if taco/tapper do not provide it, i dont see any DL improvement.
there is nothing worst than going 12-4 then one and out or 2 and out.
dont win what counts (superbowl) and crappy draft pick.

3-4 defense facilitates use of multiple 240lb LBs for rushing the passer.

now you are spinning again....you avoided answering my question. Is this about Taco or Not?

I vehemently oppose tanking. its the stupidest idea anyone has ever come up with.

and you are already making expectations, that Taco and Tapper, two rookies need to provide top 10 talent production or we have to change. I disagree.

you avoided answering my other questions. We had a top 5 scoring defense? is it about scoring defense? or is it about RDE pass rush? its obvious that's what you make this argument about. which is about DL and RDE performance and if it doesn't meet your expectations, then we should change.

and again, you are making it about size-weight ratio.... so any LB around 240 would do? that's the qualification?
of the 3-4 defenses in the league and there are many, how many have top LBs that rush the passer effectively? let me start..Denver, GB, ...fill the list....
to get the pass rush you need you need elite players....Ware was an elite player, Miller is an elite player, clay mathews is an elite player....none are just a LB that met height-size-weight criteria...the NFL is littered with athletes that didn't amount to not much. changing to 3-4 without having that elite ROLB is not going to accomplish what you initially tried to propose.

and btw, of the top scoring defense in the league...3 run 4-3 defenses.......the top is bilicheck led defense (that probably needs its own category lol).

and you call this a crappy defense? top 15 yardage. top 5 scoring defense? top 15 sacks..... is that your definition of crappy? just need you to answer so we have a baseline on your opinion of good, vs. bad vs. crappy defenses.

so answer me this riddle.

is it about RDE? or ROLB? or is it about scoring defense?
 

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now you are spinning again....you avoided answering my question. Is this about Taco or Not?

I vehemently oppose tanking. its the stupidest idea anyone has ever come up with.

and you are already making expectations, that Taco and Tapper, two rookies need to provide top 10 talent production or we have to change. I disagree.

you avoided answering my other questions. We had a top 5 scoring defense? is it about scoring defense? or is it about RDE pass rush? its obvious that's what you make this argument about. which is about DL and RDE performance and if it doesn't meet your expectations, then we should change.

and again, you are making it about size-weight ratio.... so any LB around 240 would do? that's the qualification?
of the 3-4 defenses in the league and there are many, how many have top LBs that rush the passer effectively? let me start..Denver, GB, ...fill the list....
to get the pass rush you need you need elite players....Ware was an elite player, Miller is an elite player, clay mathews is an elite player....none are just a LB that met height-size-weight criteria...the NFL is littered with athletes that didn't amount to not much. changing to 3-4 without having that elite ROLB is not going to accomplish what you initially tried to propose.

and btw, of the top scoring defense in the league...3 run 4-3 defenses.......the top is bilicheck led defense (that probably needs its own category lol).

and you call this a crappy defense? top 15 yardage. top 5 scoring defense? top 15 sacks..... is that your definition of crappy? just need you to answer so we have a baseline on your opinion of good, vs. bad vs. crappy defenses.

so answer me this riddle.

is it about RDE? or ROLB? or is it about scoring defense?

for the Nth time, it is not about taco.
we have no idea what we have in taco for some time.
16 plays in the 1st game of preseason means little, unless he flat out dominated.

you may reject tanking, but i dont.
i am only interesting in dynasties, and i am fine with tanking is the way there.
superbowl dynasty or bust.

regarding size-weight, it is 240lb type football athletes that has shown the ability to rush the passer. i want several because you can rush from different gaps simultaneously, and the offense does not know which gap is being attacked/overwhelmed.

it has never been about a scoring defense. with our O, you dont need a top-5 D.

our D is carried by the O. i suspect their stats would be a lot worse without the O and the pressure it puts on the other team and the time it allows the D to rest.
 

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for the Nth time, it is not about taco.
we have no idea what we have in taco for some time.
16 plays in the 1st game of preseason means little, unless he flat out dominated.

you may reject tanking, but i dont.
i am only interesting in dynasties, and i am fine with tanking is the way there.
superbowl dynasty or bust.

regarding size-weight, it is 240lb type football athletes that has shown the ability to rush the passer. i want several because you can rush from different gaps simultaneously, and the offense does not know which gap is being attacked/overwhelmed.

it has never been about a scoring defense. with our O, you dont need a top-5 D.

our D is carried by the O. i suspect their stats would be a lot worse without the O and the pressure it puts on the other team and the time it allows the D to rest.

Dallas went down that road switching to the 3-4 and then started all over getting player to fit it and people still bemoaned the defense and now back to the 4-3. 3-4 is not some magic bullet hell Dallas offense sliced right through several of these 3-4 defense some ranked at the top. Cowboys would be foolish to once again make the change.
 

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Come off a 13-3 season and draft all 4-3 zone scheme D players... and you want to blow it all up and draft for 3-4 again?
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Not only that, it's based on a potential fit for ONE player.

Smh
 

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Not only that, it's based on a potential fit for ONE player.

Smh

yes the player we could not get after 4-5 years of failure.
get 1 NT in round 2 and draft the passrush OLB in round 1 and sign 1 OLB.
fire marinelli and get a flexible DC -done
 

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yes the player we could not get after 4-5 years of failure.
get 1 NT in round 2 and draft the passrush OLB in round 1 and sign 1 OLB.
fire marinelli and get a flexible DC -done
I purposely did not read this thread for a while, because I am a longtime 3-4 coach. It was very successful for me and I did use a lot of 4-3 schemes as well, but the 3-4 was my base. That being said, I would not switch to the 3-4 unless a complete rebuild was needed. We would not only have to bring in several players, namely a stud NG, but we would need to bring in a new DC and key position coaches. I respect the question and thoughts, but I do not think it is the right thing at this time. Now, we go 7-9 and digress on defense, we can talk.
 

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yes the player we could not get after 4-5 years of failure.
get 1 NT in round 2 and draft the passrush OLB in round 1 and sign 1 OLB.
fire marinelli and get a flexible DC -done
Waldo, how long have you been following the Cowboys?
 

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this assumes if taco bombs and no one steps up.
Taco is not going to give you bang this year brother. Him bombing would push no needles since 1st year DL-men don't make a big impact, generally.

Me no rikey where you be going.
 
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