The absurd underrating of Tony Romo just hit a new low

[DFWJC]

Although I would of course take Tony over Vick at this point, I do think some folks underrate MV. He had an absolute gun but only average accuracy. He could read coverages but still had a lot of room to grow there too. And of course, he was a total nightmare for opposing defenses---hence 3 pro bowls. His outerworldy athletcism actually hindered his progress to some degree.

It's ironic that now (I would predict) he'll have the maturity to grow as a QB the way he should have been growing all along, but his skills will have diminished and his window will have closed significantly...and that's if he even gets a chance in the NFL again.

 

[CutMeMick]

As so many here have repeatedly posted, TEAMS win championships, not individuals.

So can we stop bashing Romo for never winning a playoff game, even after he played well in his only opportunities?

But, can we also stop bashing those other Qb's (Ben, Manning, Doug Williams, Dilfer), who HAVE won Supes, for simply doing their jobs?

In the NFL, there's no bigger oxymoron then saying a QB "only" drove the bus.
This is usually followed up w/ cries of "defense won it", or "he was lucky", or the "refs helped him out", etc.

Well, DUH????

That doesn't change the end result AND, its meaningless in the overall discussion.
To call it one way-
"If Crayton..., If TO...., If penalties..., If Wade...., If the Ftball wasn't......", to provide Romo with an excuse-

And then conveniently cite similiar reasons-
"If Tyree, If the refs, If Samuel, If etc."-
to downplay other QB's accomplishments, is disingenuous & self-serving.

You can't use those excuses to only argue your particular perspective.
Its a TEAM sport.- whether you're pro or anti Romo.
Period.

 

[joseephuss]

Would you trade Romo for Trent Dilfer in his prime?

Don't evade the question. Answer it.

No.

When did Dilfer even have a prime?

Dilfer was not the starter for half the season when Baltimore won the SB. He threw 12 TDs and 11 Ints that year. Dilfer threw an interception every 20.4 passes. He completed a whopping 47.9% of his passes in the playoffs that season for a total of 590 yards. That was over 4 games. That is not going to equal playoff wins the vast majority of the time. If Romo did that he would get run out of town because it would mean that Dallas would not have playoff success.

The Ravens were right that they needed to improve their QB position in order to win another SB after that year. Anyone could see that they were fortunate to win with so little production from their QBs. Their mistake was thinking that Elvis Grbac was an actual improvement.

 

[Doomsday101]

As so many here have repeatedly posted, TEAMS win championships, not individuals.

So can we stop bashing Romo for never winning a playoff game, even after he played well in his only opportunities?

But, can we also stop bashing those other Qb's (Ben, Manning, Doug Williams, Dilfer), who HAVE won Supes, for simply doing their jobs?

In the NFL, there's no bigger oxymoron then saying a QB "only" drove the bus.
This is usually followed up w/ cries of "defense won it", or "he was lucky", or the "refs helped him out", etc.

Well, DUH????

That doesn't change the end result AND, its meaningless in the overall discussion.
To call it one way-
"If Crayton..., If TO...., If penalties..., If Wade...., If the Ftball wasn't......", to provide Romo with an excuse-

And then conveniently cite similiar reasons-
"If Tyree, If the refs, If Samuel, If etc."-
to downplay other QB's accomplishments, is disingenuous & self-serving.

You can't use those excuses to only argue your particular perspective.
Its a TEAM sport.- whether you're pro or anti Romo.
Period.

I agree and I actually take nothing away from the likes of Ben,Manning, Doug Williams or Dilfer they were contributing members of a SB winning team. This does not make them the NFL greatest QB's it makes them contributing members of some great teams. If you take away the great defenses that these players had then chances are they are not winning championship but in the end winning championships is a team effort and they played their roles well

 

[Silverstar]

That game was at Atlanta. I don't think Vick has ever played a game in Dallas.

Dallas was terrible in 2001. By the time they faced Atlanta the Cowboys were on their 4th QB of the season with Ryan Leaf. Emmitt Smith missed that game as well.

Vick stopped improving as a QB. He had very little college experience coming into the NFL. Even at that it he did not run a pro-style offense at VaTech. I knew it would take him several years to reach his full potential if he ever did. He did not. After 6 years in the league he was not a good QB. It just never clicked for him. He is a dangerous runner, but not a consistent passer. That is not a good combination for an NFL QB. Now he has missed 2 full seasons behind center.

I heard someone on ESPN radio question if he was in good enough shape to come back to the NFL. I would not question that at all. It would not take him long to get in shape to play. He is a phenomenal athlete. It just takes more than being a great athlete to truly succeed as an NFL QB.

I think he would be an improvement for some teams at the QB position. That is more an indictment of how few decent QBs exist in the NFL than it is credit to him. Dallas is not one of those teams.

I just wanted to point out some of his accomplishments and that his career is not as laughable as some might think around here.

I still don't want him in a Cowboy uniform though even as a backup, because he's only 6ft tall and has never been a very accurate passer. He can certainly lead a team to victory and his 2 wins in January prove that, but he fits best in a WCO, that can showcase his running ability. He's still young (younger than Romo) and could play well into his 30's for a team looking for his kind of skills. Only time will tell us, whether Vick's second go around will a better one or not.

 

[joseephuss]

I just wanted to point out some of his accomplishments and that his career is not as laughable as some might think around here.

I still don't want him in a Cowboy uniform though even as a backup, because he's only 6ft tall and has never been a very accurate passer. He can certainly lead a team to victory and his 2 wins in January prove that, but he fits best in a WCO, that can showcase his running ability. He's still young (younger than Romo) and could play well into his 30's for a team looking for his kind of skills. Only time will tell us, whether Vick's second go around will a better one or not.

Romo
Born April 21, 1980

Vick
born June 26, 1980

Two months is not that much. Vick has more mileage with 74 games played compared to Romo's 40 played at QB. Vick has also taken many more hits and big hits.

I think Vick will get a chance somewhere at some time. He can do some good things. I don't think he is horrible, but his ceiling is not very high, either.

 

[Muhast]

It's absurd, of course. We'll get a chance this year to see if Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco are really that good or just flash in the pan. Something tells me Matt Ryan is for real, while Joe Flacco was just driving the bus.

I think Jake Delhomme is a better quarterback than Michael Vick, too. Not a better athlete, but better at throwing the football (post Tommy John surgery, before he couldn't throw a ball 15 yards.)

I live in atlanta, the man love over Ryan is understandable since he is a breath of fresh air for a team without a true QB for so long.

Ryan is gonna be a Hasselbeck type QB. He can get it done for you, but i doubt he'll ever be a top 5 qb. He had pretty average stats, and they won bc of the running game and a horrible schedule. I expect a big decline from him this year.

 

[Manster68]

I have an idea.

Just play! The chips will fall where they fall.

There is nothing we can do about the stupid media anyway!

 

[DFWJC]

I live in atlanta, the man love over Ryan is understandable since he is a breath of fresh air for a team without a true QB for so long.

Ryan is gonna be a Hasselbeck type QB. He can get it done for you, but i doubt he'll ever be a top 5 qb. He had pretty average stats, and they won bc of the running game and a horrible schedule. I expect a big decline from him this year.

I think Hasselback at his best was very good....but i think Ryan will eventually be far better. I do think he will be top 5 within 5 years....when some of the current elite decline or retire. Matt Ryan has Peyton-type qualities, imo.

 

[BrassCowboy]

On November 11, 2001, Vick made his first career start at Dallas and threw the first touchdown pass of his career on a nine-yard toss to TE Alge Crumpler in a 20–13 victory.

On January 4, 2003, Vick led the Falcons to an upset victory over the heavily favored Green Bay (Brett Favre) Packers 27–7 in the NFC wilcard playoffs, ending the Packers' undefeated playoff record at Lambeau Field.

On January 15, 2005, Vick led the Falcons to victory over the St. Louis Rams 47-17 in the NFC divisional playoffs at home. Vick had 119 yards on eight carries, while the team finished with a franchise-playoff-record 327 rushing yards.

On December 16, 2006, Vick tied a career high four touchdown passes against Dallas and eclipsed Bobby Douglass' 34-year-old record for most rushing yards in a season, finishing with 990 yards after 14 games.

Only Randall Cunningham and Steve Young have more rushing yards at the QB position than Vick. He's also first among QB's all-time in rushing yards per game, at 53.5 yards per game. Vick holds several NFL QB rushing records, including most rushing yards in one game (173), most 100-yard rushing games (7), and most rushing yards in a single season (1,039). Vick has a 2-2 playoff record, losing both games against Philthy on the road in January of 03' and 05'.



Hmmmmmm....

we are talking about our Quarterback position right? cuz I am not sure it is fair to compare Michael Vick to anyone, especially a QB.

besides Marino was QB of a team the won in the playoffs,


hmmmmm....

 

[Silverstar]

we are talking about our Quarterback position right? cuz I am not sure it is fair to compare Michael Vick to anyone, especially a QB.

What!?...so you're saying Vick should be compared to RB's instead?

Vick is a QB that can run, same as Randall Cunningham and Steve Young were before him. A QB that can run is not a negative in my book and it does not turn him into a RB either. Vick got over a 1,000 yards rushing in 2006 and your gonna hold that against him?

Wow....just wow!

besides Marino was QB of a team the won in the playoffs,


hmmmmm....

Yes, Marino won games in the postseason (Romo hasn't) and so did Fran Tarkenton, Jim Kelly and Warren Moon...all HOF'ers without SB rings.

What's your point?

 

[Sammy Baugh]

Romo makes a better QB than Vick, even pre-Puppy Gate Vick. The people who say that it is unfair to compare Romo to Vick are correct.

That being said, the person who said that Romo is a middle-of-the-road QB is correct. Until he can learn to take better care of the football and can learn not to melt down in big games, Romo will be middle-of-the-road.

 

[TNCowboy]

Anyone who agrees with these rankings is either a moron or an agenda-driven hack. Seriously. Florio only posted them to generate interest in his publication, and Romo was an easy target because of the visibility and popularity of the team for which he plays.

Florio can't honestly believe these rankings.

That's exactly it.

He slips in a slight on Romo, and guaranteed himself thousands of additional hits on his website.

If he'd just said Romo was better, he'd have generated a lot less interest (and web traffic). None of you would have cared or visited the article. Only the Cowboys can create that kind of buzz for his website. If he'd said that Vick was comparable to Carson Palmer, for example, how many people would've cared? Who would've bothered to post it on their messageboard? How many people get worked up about it? 50?

Given that Florio puts himself forward as some sort of journalist now, it's the height of dishonesty.

At the same time, I don't know why a single person would get worked up over anything Florio writes.

 

[Hostile]

Romo makes a better QB than Vick, even pre-Puppy Gate Vick. The people who say that it is unfair to compare Romo to Vick are correct.

That being said, the person who said that Romo is a middle-of-the-road QB is correct. Until he can learn to take better care of the football and can learn not to melt down in big games, Romo will be middle-of-the-road.

I'm sorry but that is utter nonsense. Either that or you have a strange definition of "middle of the road." To me that is a QB who would be a backup for most teams but is a starter by default. Nothing about that fits Tony Romo at all.

He needs to erase some doubts and even some labels, but when you make it to the Pro Bowl in just over half a season, return to the Pro Bowl the next year with possibly the best statisitical game in the History of a storied franchise, and then after an injury are still a top 5 QB in TD passes in the NFL you are not "middle of the road."

 

[DallasEast]

I had better insert this factoid into the thread before Sammy Baugh skewers the relevancy of Pro Bowl nominations:

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"The AFC and NFC All-Star squads are made up of the consensus votes of fans, players and coaches. Each group's vote counts one-third towards determining the 43-man rosters that represent the American Football Conference and National Football Conference in the Pro Bowl." - NFL.com

 

[Dodger]

Doug Williams won 1 yet Dan Fouts did not

There are some less than stellar QB's who have rings that are not near as talented as some who did not get rings. I know people get tired of hearing it but truth is the truth which is Teams Win Championships not QB's

Sadly, some people will never learn this.

I'm sorry but that is utter nonsense. Either that or you have a strange definition of "middle of the road." To me that is a QB who would be a backup for most teams but is a starter by default. Nothing about that fits Tony Romo at all.

Agreed. To me, middle of the road means just that, average, as in half the QBs are better and half are worse, generally speaking. To say that Romo is middle of the road is like saying he ranks about 16th or so out of all the starting QBs in the league, and that is a ridiculous claim.

 

[Alexander]

Only seven more days of this scraping of the bottom of the barrel.

 

[Hostile]

Only seven more days of this scraping of the bottom of the barrel.

Which to me means 14 more articles about can Jesse Holley make the squad over Stanback.

 

[Alexander]

Which to me means 14 more articles about can Jesse Holley make the squad over Stanback.

Or more "serious questions" about Tony Romo.

 

[Sammy Baugh]

I'm sorry but that is utter nonsense. Either that or you have a strange definition of "middle of the road." To me that is a QB who would be a backup for most teams but is a starter by default. Nothing about that fits Tony Romo at all.

He needs to erase some doubts and even some labels, but when you make it to the Pro Bowl in just over half a season, return to the Pro Bowl the next year with possibly the best statisitical game in the History of a storied franchise, and then after an injury are still a top 5 QB in TD passes in the NFL you are not "middle of the road."

That is not what I meant. I agree that your definition does not fit Romo. By "middle of the road" I was talking purely about starters. I was referencing the idea that he is not among the best starters in the league but he is not among the worst, either. He is middle of the road.

To me, before he can be considered one of the best starters in the NFL, he has to cut down on his turnovers and win when it counts.