The case for blowing it up

[jobberone]

And you don't remember that Jerry did not try to find a legit QB either. He lucked in to Romo. And Romo was really just a good QB, not a Super Star QB. Jerry puts all his energy in to guys like Dez and Felix, and Claibourne. He doesn't even care about the QB position. He thinks just because a guy puts of multiple 300 yard passing games, he's found a QB. Pulease. If Jerry ever decides to go first round on a QB inside of 2 decades, then call me.

Why do you say he lucked into it? He hired Parcells who hired Payton who brought Romo in. Do you think the GM and HC weren't onboard to bring this rookie in who did have some credentials even if it was small school. How do you know what he thinks at all? You make this stuff up as if its fact. Some may be must most of it sounds and smells like agenda to me.

 

[lane]

giving tony romo a 100 million dollar contract is arguably the worst extension in the history of the nfl.

 

[Clove]

Why do you say he lucked into it? He hired Parcells who hired Payton who brought Romo in. Do you think the GM and HC weren't onboard to bring this rookie in who did have some credentials even if it was small school. How do you know what he thinks at all? You make this stuff up as if its fact. Some may be must most of it sounds and smells like agenda to me.

Who thinks to make an undrafted free agent who's never done anything as your starting QB for the Dallas Cowboys? Jerry does. In the last 20 years, only 1 guy has been undrafted and won a Super Bowl. So if your plan is to become rich by playing the lottery, then you're Jerry Jones the GM.

That's not how you find a QB. You find a QB in the draft. Anywhere from 1st through the 3rd, and not by reaching for a projected 4th round guy. Yeah it's been cute, it's been kinda fun at times, but the bad out weighs the good with Romo. And yes, I'm a well known Romo hater, and that will NEVER change unless he wins a Super Bowl which I predicted he wouldn't even come close to doing, and 5 years running, I'm still right. Not win it, but even come close.

We need to put some serious effort in finding a QB who will help us win at all cost.

 

[Beast_from_East]

First let me state that I think Tony Romo is a great QB and he is absolutely capable of winning a SB with the right team. I just don't think the Cowboys are that team right now.

So what would you think about this:

We blow it up in 2014. The Cowboys are a pretty young team with the exception of Romo, Ware and Witten. Let's say we trade Tony for a late first (KC?) or an early 2nd and another pick (Hou?), we trade Witten for a 3rd (NE, Atl, KC) and we cut or trade Ware. That would give us an additional 3 or 4 high picks and help us a lot capwise.

In free agency, I would do absolutely nothing and would let Hatcher and Spencer go, that would give us some comp picks for the next year.

In the Draft, we go heavy on the front 7 on the Defensive side and unless one of the top 3 QBs falls to us in the first we draft one in the 3th, 4th round (Boyd, McCarron).

That leaves us with 1 rookie QB and 4 or 5 new defensive players on the defense in the first 3 rounds of the draft. The rest I assume will be safeties from small schools.

We head into training camp with the same offense minus Tony and with 3 or 4 new young starters on the defense and a much better cap situation. And here's the thing, we start the rookie QB the whole season.

Now two things can happen, if the rook is any good we probaly get another 8-8 season but with a huge upside. If he is bad we probably have a top 5 pick in 2015 and we get Winston or whoever is the top QB. If that is the case we should also have a new coaching staff (wooo).

We then go after 2 or 3 top free agents plus the Draft and are ready to roll in 2015.

What do you guys think?

I think you have not looked at Romo's contract.

Romo received $25 million dollar signing bonus spread out over the first 5 years of the deal with $5 million cap charge per season............we still have $20 million in signing bonus that has not been charged to the cap that would all accelerate into today's cap if Romo was traded. So mark that down, an extra $20 million to our 2014 cap (which we are between $20 to $30 million over currently). So that puts us at around $50 million over the projected 2014 cap...........but we are not done.

Romo will receive a base salary in 2014 of $13.5 million (every penny is guaranteed money)................so if you trade him, that goes against the cap as well, so add that to our running tally and we are now $63.5 million over the projected 2014 cap.............but we are not done.

Romo's base salary in 2015 is $17 million...........but here is the kicker.........$15 million of that is guaranteed for injury in the event Romo cant play with his back, and even if he does have a full recovery, if Romo is on the roster by the 3rd day of the new league year (which would be March 14th), then 50% of that $17 million 2015 base salary becomes all guaranteed money.

So lets say it takes a couple of weeks to work out the trade details with the team you are sending him to and its past the 3rd day of the new league year, so add another $8.5 million to our running tally since future guaranteed money is accelerated into the current league year cap.

We are now well north of $40 million cap penalty to trade or release Romo and that puts us around $70 million over the 2014 projected salary cap........still want to trade him?

 

[Eddie]

there is no such thing in football.
and tony is untradeable.
Also in my opinion… the cowboys have no "Big Three"

The boys just have to draft well and make solid talent based decisions on the coaching and free agent side. Something that has not been done efficiently for awhile.

The draft is a crap shoot. Given that, Jerry's ability to shoot craps is worse than anyone else's.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

The draft is a crap shoot. Given that, Jerry's ability to shoot craps is worse than anyone else's.

If its a crap shoot, than good teams like the seahawks, & Niners shoot craps very well.
Efficiency and identity is key to good drafting, and the cowboys have neither…...

 

[skinsscalper]

If its a crap shoot, than good teams like the seahawks, & Niners shoot craps very well.
Efficiency and identity is key to good drafting, and the cowboys have neither…...

The Niners and Seahawks built the core of those teams while bottom feeding and drafting in the top of the draft also, genius. Teams all over the league passed on the likes of Sherman (5th round) and Wilson (3rd round).

That's not to say that those teams haven't done a decent job of drafting LATELY, but neither have the Cowboys. But, by all means, continue your whinefest.

 

[jobberone]

Who thinks to make an undrafted free agent who's never done anything as your starting QB for the Dallas Cowboys? Jerry does. In the last 20 years, only 1 guy has been undrafted and won a Super Bowl. So if your plan is to become rich by playing the lottery, then you're Jerry Jones the GM.

That's not how you find a QB. You find a QB in the draft. Anywhere from 1st through the 3rd, and not by reaching for a projected 4th round guy. Yeah it's been cute, it's been kinda fun at times, but the bad out weighs the good with Romo. And yes, I'm a well known Romo hater, and that will NEVER change unless he wins a Super Bowl which I predicted he wouldn't even come close to doing, and 5 years running, I'm still right. Not win it, but even come close.

We need to put some serious effort in finding a QB who will help us win at all cost.

LOL. You really think that? You are spinning and revising history on the go! Romo was added to the roster because Payton said this guy can play and he had a pretty good resume coming out of school albeit a small one. They kept him around and developed him and when Parcells saw the chance they played the guy who proceeded to make the Pro Bowl. Jerry didn't plan on Romo being the elite QB he is but he listened to the staff and used a roster spot for a guy who had obvious talent. Jerry didn't scout Romo and tell everyone I found a guy hardly anyone wanted and now I'm a genius because only one other team thought he was going to be elite and run my team for years. He listened to his coaches and it worked out nicely. If you want to say we were lucky such a long shot worked out then I'm with you.

You an say the Patriots beat the odds with Brady.

 

[Aven8]

Why don't we just keep Romo, trim the other fat, and build a young team around him like the Broncos and Pats have done with there QB's.

That's the way to do it. Now I'm open to drafting one, but can't see anybody past the 4th with the way Jerry is, and the needs for this team. Wake up people Romo can still play! He's been healthy for years, look at the young dudes Stafford and Bradford. They are made of glass.

 

[Alexander]

giving tony romo a 100 million dollar contract is arguably the worst extension in the history of the nfl.

Not sure about that, but I can all but guarantee the buyers remorse for this will be intense for a very very long time.

 

[DogFace]

These hypotheticals are so realistic and
"Blowing it up" guarantees nothing.
Ok. We are sick of being 8-8. Let's trade that for. 3-13. That will make us good.

 

[Alexander]

Why don't we just keep Romo, trim the other fat, and build a young team around him like the Broncos and Pats have done with there QB's.

That's the way to do it. Now I'm open to drafting one, but can't see anybody past the 4th with the way Jerry is, and the needs for this team. Wake up people Romo can still play! He's been healthy for years, look at the young dudes Stafford and Bradford. They are made of glass.

I would have wholeheartedly agreed with you prior to the back injury situation. Now it just makes it worse. But the simple fact remains, as soon as he was signed, it was like a marriage without the possibility of divorce.

 

[SWG9]

giving tony romo a 100 million dollar contract is arguably the worst extension in the history of the nfl.

I wouldn't go that far, but for a team like Dallas that was going nowhere fast it didn't make much sense.

If we had dealt that expiring asset for some futures and kickstarted a rebuild I think Dallas would be better off.

And can you imagine what a team like Arizona would have looked like with Romo at QB?? They'd probably be playing this weekend.

Could have been a rare win win trade but it of course didn't happen.

 

[SWG9]

Why don't we just keep Romo, trim the other fat, and build a young team around him like the Broncos and Pats have done with there QB's.

That's the way to do it. Now I'm open to drafting one, but can't see anybody past the 4th with the way Jerry is, and the needs for this team. Wake up people Romo can still play! He's been healthy for years, look at the young dudes Stafford and Bradford. They are made of glass.

He missed three games in 2008 and half of the 2010 season. He had the rib fx and the thumb in 2011 and back problems throughout 2012 and 2013. I would definitely be concerned about his health.

 

[Aven8]

I would have wholeheartedly agreed with you prior to the back injury situation. Now it just makes it worse. But the simple fact remains, as soon as he was signed, it was like a marriage without the possibility of divorce.

That's true. But what were we going to do, let him walk? How would this board have reacted had he gone on to say KC and made the AFC title game, or even the SB? We would be sick.

Medicine has advanced by 10 fold since Aikman had his surgery. Remember when Kevin Smith blew out his Achilles the first game of the year and was never the same player? Barry Church, Crabtree, and Suggs came back like it was a mosquito bite.

Obviously they did not think the cyst was a big deal before giving him the contract.

 

[Alexander]

Obviously they did not think the cyst was a big deal before giving him the contract.

I do not trust this team in regards to injuries. For each Barry Church, we have a Spencer or Ratliff to prove Dr. Jones does not know what he is looking at when he sees the X-rays.

 

[Aven8]

I do not trust this team in regards to injuries. For each Barry Church, we have a Spencer or Ratliff to prove Dr. Jones does not know what he is looking at when he sees the X-rays.

Yeah, I have to agree with you on the Spenc deal. They had no idea before placing the tag on him it require micro fracture? Fishy.

 

[Tabascocat]

I think you have not looked at Romo's contract.

Romo received $25 million dollar signing bonus spread out over the first 5 years of the deal with $5 million cap charge per season............we still have $20 million in signing bonus that has not been charged to the cap that would all accelerate into today's cap if Romo was traded. So mark that down, an extra $20 million to our 2014 cap (which we are between $20 to $30 million over currently). So that puts us at around $50 million over the projected 2014 cap...........but we are not done.

Romo will receive a base salary in 2014 of $13.5 million (every penny is guaranteed money)................so if you trade him, that goes against the cap as well, so add that to our running tally and we are now $63.5 million over the projected 2014 cap.............but we are not done.

Romo's base salary in 2015 is $17 million...........but here is the kicker.........$15 million of that is guaranteed for injury in the event Romo cant play with his back, and even if he does have a full recovery, if Romo is on the roster by the 3rd day of the new league year (which would be March 14th), then 50% of that $17 million 2015 base salary becomes all guaranteed money.

So lets say it takes a couple of weeks to work out the trade details with the team you are sending him to and its past the 3rd day of the new league year, so add another $8.5 million to our running tally since future guaranteed money is accelerated into the current league year cap.

We are now well north of $40 million cap penalty to trade or release Romo and that puts us around $70 million over the 2014 projected salary cap........still want to trade him?

/End thread

 

[cml750]

Good idea. Just like Mike Zimmer apparently did. That guy got so much smarter in just a few years away from the Cowboy Faithful.

I was never part of the GROZ crowd. I always thought he was a great DC who did the best he could with what he had to work with. I never understood why Tuna made him switch to the 3-4 which is what doomed him here.

To be honest, I have never been in favor of firing coaches and/or coordinators until Wade(when the team quit on him) and now Garrett who makes clock management mistakes any Pop Warner coach would know better than to make. Most all of my gripes before our coaching issues were centered around finding Troy's replacement. I knew Wade couldn't cut it after the Eagles 44-6 debacle. I was originally happy when Jerry promoted Garrett. He earned the full time job with the teams performance when he was interim coach but now after 3 years of stupid mistakes costing us 2 - 4 games a season, I know he needs to go.

 

[xwalker]

First let me state that I think Tony Romo is a great QB and he is absolutely capable of winning a SB with the right team. I just don't think the Cowboys are that team right now.

So what would you think about this:

We blow it up in 2014. The Cowboys are a pretty young team with the exception of Romo, Ware and Witten. Let's say we trade Tony for a late first (KC?) or an early 2nd and another pick (Hou?), we trade Witten for a 3rd (NE, Atl, KC) and we cut or trade Ware. That would give us an additional 3 or 4 high picks and help us a lot capwise.

In free agency, I would do absolutely nothing and would let Hatcher and Spencer go, that would give us some comp picks for the next year.

In the Draft, we go heavy on the front 7 on the Defensive side and unless one of the top 3 QBs falls to us in the first we draft one in the 3th, 4th round (Boyd, McCarron).

That leaves us with 1 rookie QB and 4 or 5 new defensive players on the defense in the first 3 rounds of the draft. The rest I assume will be safeties from small schools.

We head into training camp with the same offense minus Tony and with 3 or 4 new young starters on the defense and a much better cap situation. And here's the thing, we start the rookie QB the whole season.

Now two things can happen, if the rook is any good we probaly get another 8-8 season but with a huge upside. If he is bad we probably have a top 5 pick in 2015 and we get Winston or whoever is the top QB. If that is the case we should also have a new coaching staff (wooo).

We then go after 2 or 3 top free agents plus the Draft and are ready to roll in 2015.

What do you guys think?

I don't know if there is a salary cap in Madden, but there definitely is one in the NFL.

Romo can't be traded due to the cap implications. The details have been posted many times about this issue.