The Case for Firing Jason Garrett and the coaching staff **merged**

[Idgit]

I'd love to go through the threads over the years and compile all of the most popular excuses supporting Garrett, and demonstrate how every single one was false. Some of my favs: he needs to build his culture (check), needs the right staff (got them, then fired them and got some new ones), needs the right kind of players (got them, didn't work, got some other kind of guys), needs a running game (had it, lost it), needs an all star OL (check), needs more experience (clap clap clap), Tony changes too many plays (0-7) and so on...

Now the only thing holding him back from his prophesied dynasty is a backup QB

It's not that there are a list of excuses. Winning a Superbowl is a very hard thing to do, so for 31 teams every year there are going to be legitimate reasons why they didn't get it done. This year's will be 'playing 13 regular season games without it's franchise QB.' In previous years, we had roster limitations, cap limitations and all the things you mention. The fact hat we haven't won it all doesn't mean those explanations were false, though. All you can hope for is to build a team capable of contending often enough that you can take advantage of it when things do finally break your way. The Giants snuck their way into two Lombardis that way. And the Patriots more than that.

And, to be fair, you're blending in some criticisms there of Tony and of Jason that weren't really offered as reasons why we weren't winning.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Weeden's been here for close to 2 years.

If you want to blame someone for Weeden then fine. They certainly misevaluated that. What do you make of Jerry Jones saying that he personally got cute with the QB position this offseason and the risk didn't pay off?

 

[Dave_in-NC]

As I said in another post, Weeden wasn't the reason we lost to Atlanta or New England. He played well enough to win both of those games.

We are so conditioned watching Romo win us games we are not used to a QB doing just enough. Just the way I see it. But with that, the coaching staff has to get every one else on the team to step it up, and they have to step up to. Weeden didn't get any of that either.

 

[TheDude]

There is no case, why would you want to fire a very good coach? who will you get to replace him? Answer : NO ONE, any coach that is any good will stay with the team they are currently coaching, and right now there is only one coach and that coach is not in the NFL.
Belichek is the only coach that I believe is better than Garrett in the NFL

Are you trolling?

 

[Junglist]

If you want to blame someone for Weeden then fine. They certainly misevaluated that. What do you make of Jerry Jones saying that he personally got cute with the QB position this offseason and the risk didn't pay off?

Just another dumb move by a narcissist owner.

 

[FLcowboy]

Put it this way:

There's a much bigger case for firing Jason Garrett than in charging Hardy for domestic abuse..

Just what coach is out there that could deal with Jerry better than
Garrett?

How much of Dallas' fortunes are effected by Jerry Jones.?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Just another dumb move by a narcissist owner.

And that is it?

 

[Gaede]

I'd love to go through all the threads over the years and look at all the posts that looked to blame and find fault and look to see what difference it made in any way shape or form.

Some of my faves: comparing him to coaches that emotionally appeal to the negative on the same level like Campo without any logical rationale or basis for the comparison. Blaming Garret for playcalling when Linehan calls them. Complaining about the playcalling as a whole when you cannot even tell the route combinations run or blocking assignment. Channelling and mimicking Mike Tirico and his clock management evaluations. Incessantly complaining about him clapping when ever coach in the league does it to some extent or another and it has no stake in the outcome. Complaining about him having an Ivy League education as if it doesn't make one complaining that look like they are uneducated and insecure about it. And my all time favorite of all: people that call for his job on the sole hope Payton will be available or even better without any plan in place at all.

Your strawman is horse****. In all of that you never once talk about the defense. Specifically I have been talking about the coverage in the middle of the field for 3 years. Still sucks doesn't it. Recall Julio Jones in week 2 and every weeks since?

Garrett is an easy individual scapegoat and people seem so emotionally crippled that they have to vent on something. So be it and you have your right to do whatever you like but just because there is a whole herd of you doesn't make it justified or have any basis beyond butthurt fans.

Whoa, hit a nerve!

 

[bkeavs]

That is not a deduction and if that is good enough in your mind to come to a conclusion then you are going to find yourself mistaken quite often. It's like you wilffully ignore the stats in the OP. Our problem over the Garrett era has not been scoring points. Backdoor deductions don't change that and your immediacy bias is showing.

I have a feeling you like cats

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I have a feeling you like cats

I like animals in general. You don't?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Whoa, hit a nerve!

I suppose that I was passionate. I just thought that flipping it to the other side and using the same format would be much more compelling. I dunno. I hear the maxim 'they cannot hurt you if you don't care' but if you do then to deny it is just the cowards way out. People act like its not okay to feel or that anything created or done from that is bad.

Half the people around here act like they are stoics as if it is virtue. Are you one of them?

 

[Alexander]

I suppose that I was passionate. I just thought that flipping it to the other side and using the same format would be much more compelling. I dunno. I hear the maxim 'they cannot hurt you if you don't care' but if you do then to deny it is just the cowards way out. People act like its not okay to feel or that anything created or done from that is bad.

Half the people around here act like they are stoics as if it is virtue. Are you one of them?

I only have one thing to say.

What?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I only have one thing to say.

What?

Is it really that hard to understand? I am not any more happy about the Cowboys season than anyone than you or anyone else around here. I like the Garrett as scapegoat narrative even less.

Every single time that I have discussed this topic over the past couple of months and attributed others writing to emotion it has universally been denied. Does that context help you understand?

 

[Alexander]

Is it really that hard to understand? I am not any more happy about the Cowboys season than anyone than you or anyone else around here. I like the Garrett as scapegoat narrative even less.

Every single time that I have discussed this topic over the past couple of months and attributed others writing to emotion it has universally been denied. Does that context help you understand?

So like I said before---what?

Were you not saying some of the things brought up before?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So like I said before---what?

Were you not saying some of the things brought up before?

Actually, no I wasn't. That is why I thought my point was more compelling because I actually was using things people have been saying in a very obvious way. You up to speed now?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

come on man did you read those strawmen?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think it should have been obvious after I pointed out I have been complaining about the defensive middle for about 4 years now.

 

[Alexander]

Actually, no I wasn't. That is why I thought my point was more compelling because I actually was using things people have been saying in a very obvious way. You up to speed now?

No, not really.

I think anyone reading this should just read your post out loud to themselves and try to decide if it made sense.

 

[Risen Star]

There is no case, why would you want to fire a very good coach? who will you get to replace him? Answer : NO ONE, any coach that is any good will stay with the team they are currently coaching, and right now there is only one coach and that coach is not in the NFL.
Belichek is the only coach that I believe is better than Garrett in the NFL

~intent stare~


~checking hand~


~back to staring~


~pushing blue and silver chips to the center of the table~


I'll see that and I'll raise you.


You: I'm in


~nervously staring now....he didn't even hesitate~


~showing cards~


And I believe teams will one day be presented with the Garrett Trophy after winning the Super Bowl.


~reading your reaction~

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No, not really.

Oh I think you are. I know you are very aware of my crusade to upgrade DT talent and speed to combat inside runs and receivers over the middle of the field. Church and Hayden if you need it simplified down to scapegoats. Both remain glaring problems don't you think?

I'm fine standing on this one.