The case for going for Lawrence

[stilltheguru]

Do you mean do we spend as much as we possibly can? No, but what if we do, and then our QB goes out for the year, then our backup gets injured, then the backup to the backup sucks, then we need to sign more QBs, and possibly other positions as well? F.U.B.A.R.

We are rapidly reaching that point, yes. We continue to dole out big contracts to individual players and this severely limits our ability to manipulate the cap. It's a real problem for us and it seems to be getting worse.

If this is true we aren't winning anything anytime soon after Dak is paid. Were not winning with trash in the secondary and dt position.

 

[stilltheguru]

Look man.. I'm just going to call it what it is.. sometimes it seems like Gil is mired in the 70's and thinks QBs need to be tall and white..

How about this evaluation of Rosen:

I don't have any questions about this young man with regard to the chatter about his character. A good athlete, Rosen has a strong arm and accuracy -- he can make all the throws. By Year 2, he'll be a successful starter in the NFL. I really like this player.

Or of Darnold:

Darnold combines a quick release with very good accuracy and mobility. His 2017 numbers were a step down from 2016, but he was not working with a great receiver corps last season. Darnold has the ability to be a franchise quarterback and a factor in this league for years to come.


I repeat.. This guy's evaluation of QBs carries no more weight than yours..

How was Rosen a good athlete? Lmao

 

[mattjames2010]

The chances of the Jets winning 2 games is ~10%.

The chances of the Cowboys not winning another game all year ~50%.

So just between the Jets and Cowboys, the chances of the Cowboys having the higher pick are under 5%.

That’s before you consider the Jaguars and other teams.

The chances of the Cowboys getting the #1 pick are literally under 2% if you know how to do the math and go by BPI.

It's really cute that you continue to toss out statistics out of your butt as if it has any bearing in the ever changing NFL season. You don't know what will happen, what we DO know is that Jets, Jags, and Cowboys are the worst teams in the league right now. Our offense, up until the Steelers game, was atrocious since Dalton got his start and we rotated QBs. It wasn't exactly dynamic against the Steelers either, but improved, but Jets didn't exactly look terrible against the Pats either.

Stop. It's not out of the realm of possibility that we don't win a game this year. It's not out of the realm of possibility that the Jags win one more game. It's not out of the realm of possibility that Jets get ENOUGH life on offense that they take two games down the stretch. For all we know, Gase could get fired and the interim HC breathes some life into the team. Again, you don't know.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I do not recall saying my eyes were the eyes of an expert, they are just my eyes. I watch football players and form opinions.

I used Lawrence as an example but we might be able to replace him with Fields or Trask before the college season concludes but the same will apply, we do not know until they play in the NFL if they can play in the NFL.

Not sure where Ware fits in this since he played in an offense that was foreign to the NFL. I never thought he would make it in the NFL but he was a great college QB.

And Dak has been a successful QB against mid and lower level competition, he has not done well against the better teams. He was off to a great stat start this season, except up against a D in LA where he could only manage 17. They did that 17 number a lot last year too. And lost those games.

I responded to your post that your eyes see that Lawrence is better passer/thrower than Dak.....you made an statement that Lawrence is better than Dak right now, based on your own statement, trying to drive to a conclusion that Lawrence is right now a better QB than Dak...

then you back tracked that he is not played a down in the NFL, so we don't know, he could fail, so could any of these other QBs.

but We know Dak, we know he is an NFL top 10 QB, he is a known quantity, but now you say he has played against mid to lower level competition...in the NFL or in College? in the NFL he has played for 4 years and has played against every team in the NFL and has the wins and been consistently good....

the notion that Dak struggles against teams with winning records has been debunked multiple times, since he is no different in that category than any of the other top QBs not named Brady or Rodgers....you can't take a single stat and measure it in a silo, that just doesn't work. also, I don't put wins/losses on the QB alone, that's a team stat and you have to take into account the coaching, the defense and the offense....

and I find it funny that everyone just wants to argue about 2019 season and dismiss his record and performance in other years....he also has the highest number of comeback wins since he has entered the league.

How good Dak is, is not your eye test. this is not my eye test. this is not people on this board ala Leebalir. this is NFL FO and what they think of Dak. those people have way more experience an understanding of football than anyone on this board...by a mile....and if people in the NFL think that highly of him, then I tend to agree with them, than few people on this board having an issue with paying 4M extra to Dak, which is what it basically comes down to.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Exactly the reason for this thread. That's not likely to change so we need a workaround.

getting rid of Dak, the only player that gives us a chance, is not a work around. Lawrence is not a work around.....that's taking resources from defense, which is what everyone keeps arguing about Dak and his salary not allowing us to get defensive players (which is false), and now take a high pick and take a risk on a QB, and rebuild for the next 5 years and rinse and repeat....

you don't work around a problem. because that doesn't fix the PROBLEM. you have to address the problem, which is focus on defense and defensive evaluation process. otherwise the next QB comes and goes and we still have the same problem.....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

https://www.sbnation.com/2019/1/8/18173994/trevor-lawrence-nfl-draft-eligible-2021


Gil Brandt ✔ @Gil_Brandt

Trevor Lawrence is the best true freshman QB I've ever seen. If I was running an NFL team, I'd be making trades for as many 2021 picks I could get my hands on.




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10:40 PM - Jan 7, 2019

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...scouts-divided-on-trevor-lawrences-nfl-future

""I tried to tell you guys ... Y'all got all over him way too fast and got caught up in the hype," said one longtime evaluator sitting out this season. "There were concerns last year, and his offense really just bailed his *** out—as did his defense.""

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Ill let you have the last word. I dont agree with you but Ill llet it be.

Civility can be so refreshing.

 

[Aviano90]

Civility can be so refreshing.

Is civility allowed in 2020?

 

[Hoofbite]

I wouldn't take him. Dak is good enough so I would trade that pick for a king's ransom. How many picks can Lawrence get you?

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Is civility allowed in 2020?

Phook off!

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Phook off!

 

[ondaedg]

Is that because of Dak, or because of the guys around him, particularly the defense and ST (which, until recently was quite a liability)? What QB can make his defense and ST play better? I'm not saying Dak is the best QB there is, but I don't know if there's such a thing as a QB who's good enough to win against good teams with the supporting cast Dak has had.

Exactly. As an example the Chiefs over the past 5+ seasons have helped their offense out with 28 return TDs. Twenty freaking eight! Compare that with our 6 over that same time span. Dak or any Dallas qb has had an impossible task of having to be perfect every single week to win.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

First off, let me say that I like Dak Prescott, I think he is a very good, not great, QB, and even the Dakaters have to notice the team with and without him which is exactly my point. The team needs someone better at that position unless you believe this team's management is capable of doing something they haven't done in decades, build a team around a QB.

They haven't done it with Prescott as well as his predecessor and even admitted that, failed to build around Romo. The fact that they lucked into both of these QB's should also be considered.

There are two questions regarding Trevor Lawrence, three if you consider why he doesn't become an English actor with that name. But the main two are is he better than what the Cowboys have now and what will it take to get him away from the two teams, JAX and NYJ, that have him in their sights?

Now, we must also consider the considerable team that Swinney has built around Lawrence, just as he did Watson. That must be taken into account when considering Fields as well.

But for the sake of argument and this thread, Lawrence is a better QB now than Prescott has developed into and he has nothing but upside. He is the first QB since P. Manning to deliver on being the most highly recruited QB in his class. If you don't agree with this, then this thread doesn't make sense to you but I have watched a lot of Lawrence play the position and consider him the real deal.

The second question is a tough one because if the Cowboys do not end up with the 1st pick, trading up for it will be very expensive in draft capital. If that can even be done. JAX ends up with that and they'd have a hard time passing on Lawrence since he's played in the neighborhood and if they're in that position, we'll see the same response as we saw from the CIN fans when the season became all about Burrow.

OK, you can let me have it now but I just don't think Prescott is good enough to lift this team beyond a mid level team. They ranked #1 in offense and we're 8-8 and what did they look like this season with Prescott at the helm? Is it a risk? Absolutely, but isn't giving Prescott a 4 or 5 X 35-40M a year even a bigger risk when you consider who the team builders are?

This is not about Dak Prescott, I think there are teams he could take to the Big Dance. This is about trying to overcome what's been holding this team back for two and half decades, management.

And if you want to consider something else, this HC had one of the best QB's in the history of the NFL and the most accurate one I have ever seen and he could only get one ring and ended up canned and that team doing better without him.

McC has this rep as a QB guru but who wouldn't with those QB's? The better the QB, the better the guru.

All comes down to one simple question. Do you want more of the same or do you want to take a chance? This is about change but what needs to be changed, management, will not so what's the next best thing?

The case for going tor Lawrence is he is a fake phony BUST. Go ahead and root for losses for him you get what you deserve.

Lawrence a pro QB to lead you to the NFL promise land?...AND you sold your soul for him. Have at it...losers.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

If they could even do that, I agree. Any team passing on the hottest draft prospect, maybe ever, would have some explaining to do to their fans.

Oh the hottest draft prospect eh? Wel...that solves ALL of our problems...SUPER BOWL HERE WE COME!

 

[Runwildboys]

Exactly. As an example the Chiefs over the past 5+ seasons have helped their offense out with 28 return TDs. Twenty freaking eight! Compare that with our 6 over that same time span. Dak or any Dallas qb has had an impossible task of having to be perfect every single week to win.

We've had 6???

 

[ondaedg]

We've had 6???

Surprisingly yet sadly yes we have 6.

 

[Beaker42]

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[ehwqkbmg]

If it were up to me, Zeke, Martin, D Law, Cooper would all be on IR

 

[G2]

I assumed it was Nolan who wanted to take any defensive free agents we picked up. If that's the case, you can't really say the FO didn't try. They just listened to an idiot. I have no idea who's responsible for the choice of FA players, but I'm pretty sure if there was a splash player waiting, JJ would be willing to pay him. McClay seems to fare well in the draft, so hopefully they'll build the D there.

As I understood it (and I could very well be wrong) the front office, GM etc... pick players according to what the coaching thinks will fit their system or might be their type of player, but I don't think the coaches get involved to the point that they hand them a wish list. Mix that with the COVID nonsense, no off season or preseason and it's no wonder it's taken the defense so long to adjust. The offense was pretty much untouched, minus injuries.

 

[SuspectCorner]

... There are two questions regarding Trevor Lawrence, three if you consider why he doesn't become an English actor with that name. ...

The next Leslie Howard.


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