The costly Lance trade

[Whirlwin]

How many examples do you need? Roy Williams, Lance and Mingo are enough.

I believe you’re talking to Roy Williams the receiver, correct

 

[doomsday9084]

I just have to note that the 49ers gave up a ton to get Lance and then once they had him, couldn't run away fast enough. Lance wasn't some complete unknown when Dallas got him. He played terrible in SF and showed all of the negative issues that he showed in Dallas. Jerry just didn't pay attention. Even worse, the going rate for flyers on QB's is a 6th round pick. Several were traded after that showed more than him.

It was really bad and lazy GM'ing. They didn't even spend any time doing any homework on Lance. They just knew his draft position and went for it.

In a competitive NFL, you just can't have a GM who doesn't spend the time to do the basics, like watch film on someone he wants to trade for.

 

[SultanOfSix]

I just have to note that the 49ers gave up a ton to get Lance and then once they had him, couldn't run away fast enough.

Not at all what happened.

Lance's greenness got him demoted to 3rd string behind Purdy and Darnold (who is now looking like pro-bowl QB in Minnesota with some good coaching) and he asked for a trade. The 49ers thought they found their QB and didn't want to spend anymore time trying to develop him due to his unfortunate string of early injuries nor suffer the rumblings of a QB controversy (which could be happening now the way that Purdy is playing and the 49ers have faltered this year) and decided to get what they could for him and no longer indulge the sunk cost fallacy.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

You almost wonder if Jerry made the Mingo trade to take some heat away from the Lance trade. I mean, Mingo doesn't look like he can play a lick, or like he even wants to. This was a redneck taking his fourth round pick into the back yard and lighting it on fire so he can put it on YouTube. Absolutely brain dead move.

 

[stinkface]

You almost wonder if Jerry made the Mingo trade to take some heat away from the Lance trade. I mean, Mingo doesn't look like he can play a lick, or like he even wants to. This was a redneck taking his fourth round pick into the back yard and lighting it on fire so he can put it on YouTube. Absolutely brain dead move.

Giving him too much credit. That's a Chess move and Jerry only plays Checkers.

 

[chicago JK]

Dallas tends to miss the margins a lot of the time. Not having your fourth round pick last draft and this draft for guys who haven't shown anything is tough.

On another point, Dallas #1 picks the last two years don't look good. I think Mazi may be a lost cause (counting on him heading into the season, may have been the biggest oversight they made). It is too early with Guyton, but he has not played well this year. Compare it to the Eagles, who had higher picks. Leaving with Jalen Carter and Mitchell the last two drafts plus signing arguably the best FA on the market this season, may be the main reason why they have raced past Dallas. Those are three really high tier players (2 draft, 1 FA). Sometimes that is the difference. I am not a huge fan making a splash in FA every time, I would like to see one time when Dallas has so many holes that Dallas is proactive and try to fill a hole with a FA signing. Then you can wait and do what they like to do. Just fill at least one hole in FA on the first day.

 

[big dog cowboy]

How many examples do you need? Roy Williams, Lance and Mingo are enough.

So 3 trades in 20 years qualifies as "we keep doing it" when I can point out trades for Cook and Gilmore just a couple of years ago that worked out well.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I think Mazi may be a lost cause

So you don't think he has continued to get better this season?

 

[chicago JK]

So you don't think he has continued to get better this season?

To be honest, I don't know. I did watch him last game and thought he was irrelevant. If you think he has gotten better, that is fine. I think there is a chance I would keep him on the roster next season, but I certainly wouldn't count on him to be a reliable rotation piece. If he proves he can be, great. I just think he is gone in the next year or two, with little impact to the DL position.

 

[CWR]

So 3 trades in 20 years qualifies as "we keep doing it" when I can point out trades for Cook and Gilmore just a couple of years ago that worked out well.

2 in two years is concerning Mr Jones.

 

[CWR]

I believe you’re talking to Roy Williams the receiver, correct

I have no beef with Roy Williams the safety who was one biscuit short of being a linebacker.

 

[Bobhaze]

So you don't think he has continued to get better this season?

Mazi has improved this year. But improving alone doesn’t make someone a good player.

Mazi was simply horrible his rookie season. This year he has improved from horrible to just occasionally ok. That will never cut it with a first round pick. If he were a 4th-7th round pick, it would be ok. First round picks need to be impactful starters at least by year two. That hasn’t happened yet for Mazi.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Mazi has improved this year. But improving alone doesn’t make someone a good player.

Mazi was simply horrible his rookie season. This year he has improved from horrible to just occasionally ok. That will never cut it with a first round pick. If he were a 4th-7th round pick, it would be ok. First round picks need to be impactful starters at least by year two. That hasn’t happened yet for Mazi.

I agree with that. I just wish the idiotic coaching staff hadn't messed with Mazi his rookie season, basically wasting it.

He needed work but what they did only made matters worse. At least he seems to have it figured out now and has been making some plays.

 

[khiladi]

And the rams have a SB win and two NFC championships in the last decade. Wouldn’t we be willing to exchange some draft picks for that? Problem is we don’t have a front office capable of even knowing how to do that.

And still competitive

 

[CWR]

I agree with that. I just wish the idiotic coaching staff hadn't messed with Mazi his rookie season, basically wasting it.

He needed work but what they did only made matters worse. At least he seems to have it figured out now and has been making some plays.

Agreed, they wasted his rookie year. Its easy to crap on him, and somewhat justified, but I challenge anyone to drop 30lbs and maintain strength. It's nearly impossible at the rate he went. Then there's playing out of position at 3 tech.

 

[gimmesix]

We've made some bad decisions with draft picks the last couple of years that is really hurting this team.

Mazi, Guyton, Schoonmaker, Lance, Mingo.

Team We Always Draft Well needs to get it together.

Well, the positive news is we didn't have that pick to waste on a tight end because of the Joneses believing we were just fine at running back.

 

[LysleE]

At first glance, a 4th round pick might seem insignificant; but they have good value when packaging them with other picks to move slightly ahead in the draft…Jerry repeated the same mistake with Mingo this season as he did with Lance the previous season.
For a team who builds predominantly through the draft…those picks are a precious resource that cannot afford to be wasted.

 

[gimmesix]

I wanna know what the hell has happened to Will McClay !
He has been a very good talent evaluator up until the last couple of years - are the Jones's simply overiding him, or what is going on ? We know the dumb trades are on Jerry, but the last couple of drafts have not been what we were used to.
If we are only a draft centric team, we need to be way, way better !

I think it just goes to show that relying only on the draft is a poor way to build a team. Every year is a crapshoot. It isn't like Dallas is usually reaching for a later-round player early in the draft. The team is taking first-round players around where they are rated. They just sometimes end up taking the wrong one, just like other teams do.

For instance, here's what was said about Taco Charlton right after the draft:

FOX Sports really likes the pick and gave it an A+:

Taco in Dallas is too good to be true. He could be the transformational pass rusher the Cowboys need on that side of the ball. Huge need filled by arguably the second-best player at that position.

Sports Illustrated gave the pick an A-:

The hype on Charlton peaked around pick No. 9 (Cincinnati). This is a far more appropriate range for him, considering that he has shown flashes of brilliance but is still very much a work in progress. And if that’s your scouting report as a defensive lineman, there are few coaches better to help mold your development than Dallas defensive coordinator Rod Marinelli. While Charlton is steady enough against the run that he can be trusted on early downs, Marinelli figures to unleash him most often bending the edge vs. the pass. This fills a need for Dallas, and at a good value.

Walter Football also gave the pick an A-:

One team told us early in the draft process that they regarded Taco Charlton as a top-10 prospect. That changed a bit throughout the spring, but Charlton still provides solid value at No. 28 overall. Charlton is a long, athletic player. The concern is that he's a 1-year wonder, but he's very talented and could potentially solve Dallas' pass-rushing woes. I had Charlton going at No. 21, so the Cowboys did well by being patient and taking one of the better players remaining on the board.

NFL.com: another A-:

The skinny: Dallas had a choice between Charlton and T.J. Watt. Either could have fit their bill, and the need was certainly there. I had Watt with a higher grade, but Charlton's length and agility are impressive. He'll be a very good player for Jerry Jones and Jason Garrett.

The Ringer gave the pick an A- for value and a B+ for fit

At 6-foot-6 and 277 pounds with 34-plus-inch arms, Charlton possesses ideal size and length — but he hasn’t put it all together as a pass rusher. He can be inconsistent at times, and he failed to impress at the combine, clocking in at 4.92 seconds in the 40. That time doesn’t paint an accurate picture of who he is, though: He has a quick first step, displays powerful hands, and shows flashes of an intriguing spin move that could develop into his signature at the next level. Dallas defensive coordinator Rod Marinelli has a history of getting the most out of his defensive linemen; Charlton could contribute early for a Cowboys team bereft of edge rushers.

NESN with yet another A-:

The Cowboys really struggled to rush the passer last season, and Charlton will help draw double teams that will allow other Dallas pass rushers to have an easier route to the opposing quarterback.

CBS Sports breaks up the Cowboys love fest with a B-:

They need help up front, but this kid flashed at times and did little else.

ESPN says:

What He Brings
Charlton makes up for what he lacks in suddenness and top-end speed with his length, size and power. He's an effective edge setter against the run, plus he uses his length, hands and flexibility to beat offensive tackles rushing the passer.
How He Fits
With Randy Gregory suspended for the 2017 season, Demarcus Lawrence coming off back surgery and 2016 fourth-round pick Charles Tapper missing his rookie season with a back injury, Dallas needed to add a defensive end. Charlton has the talent to make an immediate contribution, and look for defensive coordinator Rod Marinelli to get the most out of him.

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/201...aco-charlton-in-dallas-is-too-good-to-be-true

 

[shabazz]

I thought the front office traded Walker for picks and won 3 Super Bowls.

That happened when people were still using cassettes.....let's try something significant in at least this century

 

[Gonzomandela01]

Yeah those two 1sts and two 2nds we gave up for Lance will really set us back... oh wait...