The danger of losing Miles Austin

[LittleBoyBlue]

Here is one instance where I agree with letting TO go. Miles Austin is obviously an athlete - younger legs, better personality, etc.

You always favor the guy with the fresher legs over the guy with the older legs. Especially when you're paying a #2 WR #1 money.

Interesting. Hopefully Austin doesn't go anywhere. He's my favorite WR on the team.

Yes cut TO and Austin will pick up that production.

Fo' shizzle


Cut TO.

Witten and RW get tag teamed double covered and a safety over the top takes care of the passes that Austin would be catching.


Enjoy Austin with his 4 TD's / season.

 

[dallasfaniac]

So if Jerry tenders Austin a 2nd and someone then offers him a contract, do you match the offer or take the 2nd?

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Yes cut TO and Austin will pick up that production.

Fo' shizzle


Cut TO.

Witten and RW get tag teamed double covered and a safety over the top takes care of the passes that Austin would be catching.


Enjoy Austin with his 4 TD's / season.

And that's where Marion Barber, Felix Jones and possibly Tashard Choice come in.

You predicting this Offense is nothing without Terrell Owens is just a prediction.

But when people state that the other Pro Bowlers and a sprinkle of Role Players will pickup the slack it is viewed as nonesense by the members of Team T.O.

 

[Alexander]

Miles Austin is a restricted free agent. Since he was undrafted if the Cowboys place the low tender on him he can get scooped up (most likely by the Dolphins), and the Cowboys get no draft compensation.

2nd round tender -- 1.45 million.
1st round tender -- 2.2 million

Frankly, given the ridiculous amounts of money the Cowboys have invested in the WR position with the contracts that TO, Roy E and Patrick Crayton make how likely do you think it is they can afford to pay a 4th WR 1.45 million. This combined with the fact that he won't even be able to contribute as a kick returner if Felix reclaims those duties next year. And this is something they can't prorate or ***** on the cap ..this is 1.45 flat 1 year contrat.

I"m thinking the Miles Austin situation might influence a decision on keeping TO pretty soon rather than waiting until June.

I don't think he's necessarily a 4th WR.

If Owens was out of the picture, he'd be competing with Crayton if we were smart. Williams needs a speed complement.

I would go with the second round tender. And if they sign him, so be it. I don't think that they'd risk that, but you never know.

Knowing Coach Parcells, he'd probably just ask for Miles as a "throw in" and get it from Jerry Jones.

 

[Alexander]

So if Jerry tenders Austin a 2nd and someone then offers him a contract, do you match the offer or take the 2nd?

If someone is willing to surrender the pick, they are going to sign him to a multi-year contract. He'd have to be lost.

That's the problem we got outselves into when we signed Crayton to a solid deal and then inexplicably surrendered a mint for Williams.

 

[DeaconBlues]

The Jimmy Smith analogy was in reference to the Cowboys not showing patience with young receivers. Although Jimmy Smith's problem was also psycological ( he was inmature ), the Cowboys lost patience with him when he suffered the abs strain that put him out for a year. Now, they weren't alone on that one since the Beagles did the same thing before he landed in Jacksonville, but the Cowboys felt they let one get away.

Sorry, but that's a myth. Smith was released because he couldn't stay healthy; he was out of football for two years, tried coming back with Philly - still wasn't healthy, cut and lost another year.

No one waits 3 years for a player to recover. No one in Dallas thought he was "one who got away."

 

[theWave21]

Miles Austin is a 3rd or 4th rec. at best. He's not worth any tender. TO is a hall of famer and Austin is a special teamer. Let's not be silly here.

 

[Alexander]

Sorry, but that's a myth. Smith was released because he couldn't stay healthy; he was out of football for two years, tried coming back with Philly - still wasn't healthy, cut and lost another year.

No one waits 3 years for a player to recover. No one in Dallas thought he was "one who got away."

This is from an article from Sports lllustrated about Jimmy Smith:

Smith was burdened by injury and illness, first suffering a broken leg that limited him to seven uneventful games during his rookie year and then, in the summer of '93, enduring a life-threatening infection that stemmed from appendicitis.

After complaining of abdominal pain, Smith was rushed to a Dallas hospital, where his appendix was removed. He went home the next day, but when the pain returned and his fever shot up, he returned to the hospital two days later. Doctors determined that Smith's appendix may have leaked and that he had pockets of pus in his stomach. The abscesses were treated with drugs, and surgery was performed to repair a tear in his intestines. Jimmy's parents—his mother, Etta, a retired Jackson, Miss., school administrator who used to sprint jubilantly down the sideline alongside her son during his Pop Warner touchdown runs, and his father, also named Jimmy, the owner of a trucking company who had a brief stint as a tight end with the Cincinnati Bengals in 1968—feared the worst. "He was just melting away," Etta says. "The night before the second surgery, a medical technician came into the room after seeing the lab work and gave me a Bible scripture. He said, ' Mrs. Smith, I want you to read this because I think God will hear a mother's prayer.' "

The son pulled through, but his saga was far from over. After more than three weeks in the hospital, he returned to his town house wearing a colostomy bag, and one doctor told him, "There's a chance you could have this the rest of your life." Smith needed the bag for only three months, during which he suffered blood clots, bed sores and a 30-pound weight loss.

Soon thereafter Smith made one heck of an enemy: his boss. At the start of the 1993 season Cowboys owner Jerry Jones placed Smith on the reserve/nonfootball-injury list, meaning Dallas wasn't obligated to pay his $350,000 salary. Smith filed a grievance through the NFL Players Association, which claimed a hit he had taken in an exhibition game had contributed to the appendicitis and that he hadn't received adequate treatment from the team when the symptoms of the condition appeared. In December of that year an arbitrator ruled that the appendicitis was football-related, and Smith received his salary and a playoff share.

"I understood it from Jerry's point of view as a businessman, but I felt it was adding insult to injury? Smith says. "What's $350,000 to him? He had a team of lawyers, some of the best in the country, and I'm sure he spent more than $350,000 in legal fees. You don't beat Jerry Jones and get away with it."

In July 1994 Jones, who declined comment about the episode, called Smith into his office and told him he'd be released if he didn't take a pay cut.

Smith, figuring he was doomed in Dallas anyway, refused, ending his Cowboys career with two Super Bowl rings and no catches. Also at that meeting was coach Barry Switzer, who had taken over four months earlier. Recalls Smith, "Barry said, 'I hear they call you Silk [a nickname from high school]. I haven't seen that yet.' Half of me wanted to punch him, and the other half wanted to bust out laughing."

 

[Alexander]

Miles Austin is a 3rd or 4th rec. at best. He's not worth any tender. TO is a hall of famer and Austin is a special teamer. Let's not be silly here.

He's a quality young receiver who could blossom. He outperformed prize plum Roy Williams last year.

A couple of million is a small price to pay for a shot at hitting on a good one. We are paying a piece of excrement like Bobby Carpenter millions to play special teams.

Let's not be silly here.

 

[Randy White]

We as fans over rate Miles Austin but I don't see other teams giving a 2nd rounder for a #4 receiver just because he has, "Potential" to be a #2.

What do you think teams draft with 2nd round picks if it's not potential ?

 

[gimmesix]

He's a quality young receiver who could blossom. He outperformed prize plum Roy Williams last year.

A couple of million is a small price to pay for a shot at hitting on a good one. We are paying a piece of excrement like Bobby Carpenter millions to play special teams.

Let's not be silly here.

But a couple of million, at most, is as far as it needs to go because there is the real possibility that he will never be anything more than he is now.

We've had some other receivers over the years who looked pretty good when they were in a minor role, but never stepped up to a major one. Names escape me at the moment, but I want to say someone named
Tucker was one of them.

 

[Randy White]

So if Jerry tenders Austin a 2nd and someone then offers him a contract, do you match the offer or take the 2nd?

Excellent question.

IMO ? Depends on the contract. Realistically speaking, any team that offers Miles a contract and it's willing to give up a 2nd round pick for him, would enter in negotiations with the Cowboys first. Then it would set up the contract in a way that would make it tough for the Cowboys to match it.

The Cowboys have alot of money tied up on WRs so it might be just a better idea to take the pick and let him walk.

 

[Alexander]

But a couple of million, at most, is as far as it needs to go because there is the real possibility that he will never be anything more than he is now.

We've had some other receivers over the years who looked pretty good when they were in a minor role, but never stepped up to a major one. Names escape me at the moment, but I want to say someone named
Tucker was one of them.

I can all but assure you that Miles Austin has more talent than Jason Tucker and any other ridiculous Campo era WR you can recollect. He was an underrated injury last season. He took over the Green Bay game and was the lone bright spot from the Rams game. He just can't stay healthy.

If we cut him tomorrow, he'd be on the first plane to Miami and making us look foolish in no time.

 

[Randy White]

Sorry, but that's a myth. Smith was released because he couldn't stay healthy; he was out of football for two years, tried coming back with Philly - still wasn't healthy, cut and lost another year.

No one waits 3 years for a player to recover. No one in Dallas thought he was "one who got away."

It's not a myth.

Jimmy Smith was highly regarded by Jimma Jenius himself until he showed up to camp. He wasn't exactly the best practice player and loved to party all the time ( Smith's words, not mine ), but was still very talented. The end came when he suffered knee injury or abs strain, something to that effect, in which he was rushed to the hospital. Somewhere after that, Smith opted to get operated using his own doctors ( he didn't trust the Cowboys' doctors, again his own words ) while the Cowboys wanted him to rehab under their supervision. The Cowboys cut him as soon as it was ruled he could go back to play.

After he became a Pro Bowl caliber receiver with Jax, Jerrah said he regreted not being properly prepared to handle situations like Jimmy Smith's, which was one of the reasons why Calvin Hill was hired and the current program was created.

 

[DeaconBlues]

It's not a myth.

Jimmy Smith was highly regarded by Jimma Jenius himself until he showed up to camp. He wasn't exactly the best practice player and loved to party all the time ( Smith's words, not mine ), but was still very talented. The end came when he suffered knee injury or abs strain, something to that effect, in which he was rushed to the hospital. Somewhere after that, Smith opted to get operated using his own doctors ( he didn't trust the Cowboys' doctors, again his own words ) while the Cowboys wanted him to rehab under their supervision. The Cowboys cut him as soon as it was ruled he could go back to play.

After he became a Pro Bowl caliber receiver with Jax, Jerrah said he regreted not being properly prepared to handle situations like Jimmy Smith's, which was one of the reasons why Calvin Hill was hired and the current program was created.

Jimmy Smith was out of football for 3 years after Dallas released him. He did not play for the final 2 years with Dallas. There exists no program or situation that would result in a team keeping a player for 5 years in order to play football, especially considering that when he was released, there was no medical guarantee that he could play again.

Calvin Hill was hired to manage problem children, not to maintain an injured player indefinitely.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Miles Austin is a 3rd or 4th rec. at best. He's not worth any tender. TO is a hall of famer and Austin is a special teamer. Let's not be silly here.

Shhhhhh.... they dont like to do "reality" around here. Perception is popular.



I want to see how low they can go here.


Oh! I got one.... Amendola will be released from Eagles. He will be brought back to Dallas and will fill in and produce at a high enough level to cut TO.

tada!

 

[RainMan]

We'd be fools to let Austin walk IMO. We've done our due diligence in developing this guy. I'm not proposing we cut T.O. in order to keep Austin, but it'd be silly to let a young guy like him walk.

Before the injury, he was really rounding into form. He's a physical freak, has great speed and finally learned how to catch the ball from a variety of platforms last year. This is the kind of guy you continue developing and "see what happens."

 

[Bob Sacamano]

We'd be fools to let Austin walk IMO. We've done our due diligence in developing this guy. I'm not proposing we cut T.O. in order to keep Austin, but it'd be silly to let a young guy like him walk.

Before the injury, he was really rounding into form. He's a physical freak, has great speed and finally learned how to catch the ball from a variety of platforms last year. This is the kind of guy you continue developing and "see what happens."

 

[Randy White]

We'd be fools to let Austin walk IMO. We've done our due diligence in developing this guy. I'm not proposing we cut T.O. in order to keep Austin, but it'd be silly to let a young guy like him walk.

Before the injury, he was really rounding into form. He's a physical freak, has great speed and finally learned how to catch the ball from a variety of platforms last year. This is the kind of guy you continue developing and "see what happens."

I can tell you for a fact that the Dullphins would be first in line with contract in hand, knocking on his door at midnight.

It wouldn't surprise me if they do that anyways and just give up their 2nd round pick, which is lower than the Cowboys'.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Miles Austin is a restricted free agent. Since he was undrafted if the Cowboys place the low tender on him he can get scooped up (most likely by the Dolphins), and the Cowboys get no draft compensation.

2nd round tender -- 1.45 million.
1st round tender -- 2.2 million

Frankly, given the ridiculous amounts of money the Cowboys have invested in the WR position with the contracts that TO, Roy E and Patrick Crayton make how likely do you think it is they can afford to pay a 4th WR 1.45 million. This combined with the fact that he won't even be able to contribute as a kick returner if Felix reclaims those duties next year. And this is something they can't prorate or ***** on the cap ..this is 1.45 flat 1 year contrat.

I"m thinking the Miles Austin situation might influence a decision on keeping TO pretty soon rather than waiting until June.

That's far-fetched about it affecting T.O.

But Austin's restricted free agent status makes Crayfish's new contract (before the 2007 debacle agin the Giants) seem ridiculous.

Keep Austin. You cannot afford to lose him with the T.O. debate raging, the Fickle RW and the talkative but inconsistent Crayfish.