The Dark Knight Rises *Spoiler Thread*

[PullMyFinger]

I figured that many of us want to discuss the movie but don't want to ruin it for others so I decided it would be wise to start a designated spoiler thread. This post will serve as a warning for those that have accidently opened the thread and I will begin my post in the next post.

It was good, but the Avengers was better.

 

[CashMan]

Did anyone catch how the police chase started when it was like 2-3pm and ended at like midnight? It was light out, then like 10min later it was night time.

 

[TheCount]

It was good, but the Avengers was better.

I think you can easily enjoy both equally. Avengers was certainly more fun, to me anyway, but Batman was the better overall movie.

The way I look at it, there are a lot of directors that could have made a movie starring Hulk, Ironman, Captain America, Thor, etc entertaining but how many directors could have made Bane a viable and complex nemesis to Batman?

Not many.

 

[Stash]

I think you can easily enjoy both equally. Avengers was certainly more fun, to me anyway, but Batman was the better overall movie.

The way I look at it, there are a lot of directors that could have made a movie starring Hulk, Ironman, Captain America, Thor, etc entertaining but how many directors could have made Bane a viable and complex nemesis to Batman?

Not many.

I don't think there are 'many' that could have so carefully balanced a group of heroes, each requiring a level of spotlight, like Joss Whedon did in the Avengers.

As a matter of fact, I shudder to think what an Avengers movie would be without him.

I did enjoy both very much and each is very different with its' own unique appeal.

 

[PullMyFinger]

I think you can easily enjoy both equally. Avengers was certainly more fun, to me anyway, but Batman was the better overall movie.

The way I look at it, there are a lot of directors that could have made a movie starring Hulk, Ironman, Captain America, Thor, etc entertaining but how many directors could have made Bane a viable and complex nemesis to Batman?

Not many.

Truthfully Ive never been a fan of Batman or DC for that matter, so to me Avengers (or Hulk 3 as I like to call it) was a better movie. Marvel has a better product IMO, which is why Marvel is kicken DC hiney in the movie business.

Marvel has some stale characters but DC holds the record for staleness in characters.

 

[a_minimalist]

hypercritical

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I thought it was just a bit too long. I liked Heath's Joker a lot more than Bane. It was good though. I enjoyed it.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Yeah, the mask definitely made things tougher. Especially if you look at Heath's Joker which was so much ABOUT the mouth. :laugh2:

As far as moments, in no particular order:

1. Batman reveals identity to Gordon
2. "Robin" finds the Batsuit in the cave, ensuring that Batman will live on.
3. Batman gets tricked by Catman onto the walkway and Bane is standing on the other side, ensuring their first showdown.
4. Alfred sees Bruce at brunch with Selena.
5. Bruce shows up to talk to Fox and says he's retired, Fox says well let me show you some toys anyway.
6. The entire opening scene with Bane on the plane, what an opening!

I also just realized that Batman revealed his identity to a lot of people in this one. Nolan basically made it clear that Bruce would never be able to return, every thug in the LOS apparently knew Wayne was Batman.

I believe that was Nolan's way of writing Bruce Wayne out as Batman since Bruce Wayne was no longer Batman after his encounter with Bane in the comics.


As I recall in the comic when he gets his back broken by Bane it leaves Bruce paralyzed and he hands the Batman persona off to another. Azriel, or something similiar to that name. I'm a little fuzzy on it because it's been years since I read that particular comic and in the years since none of the cartoons followed that path. They always had Bane injury his back and months later Bruce returned as Batman to defeat Bane.

But as I recall in the comic Bruce Wayne was never again Batman after his fight with Bane. Which is why I believe they wrote the ending to this movie the way they did. They weren't going to take the Batman character off of Bale during this movie but it was written in such a way so that if someone else decides to pick this franchise up from here, and move on, they gave a perfectly good explanation for why someone else is now The Dark Knight and not Wayne.


A pretty solid compromise, IMO, by Nolan that still has the same effect in that the Batman persona is handed from Wayne to someone else. They also were able to give a nod to 'Robin' but did so in a way where they could completely skip the entire 'Robin' character and simply make him the new Batman.

I don't think there are 'many' that could have so carefully balanced a group of heroes, each requiring a level of spotlight, like Joss Whedon did in the Avengers.

As a matter of fact, I shudder to think what an Avengers movie would be without him.

I did enjoy both very much and each is very different with its' own unique appeal.

Agreed. Whedon did a fantastic job of balancing all that in The Avengers.



And on one final note I don't get all the hate for the suspension of belief stuff. The entire series, the Batman character in general, is a huge suspension of belief.

Unless you actually believe that a billionaire, playboy, could be scurrying across rooftops, making impossible jumps, fighting numerous thugs who have guns, and never losing is an actual possibility.


The idea that all the sudden you had to suspend disbelief and that there are only suddenly holes in the logic and such of the storyline is laughable at best.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Truthfully Ive never been a fan of Batman or DC for that matter, so to me Avengers (or Hulk 3 as I like to call it) was a better movie. Marvel has a better product IMO, which is why Marvel is kicken DC hiney in the movie business.

Marvel has some stale characters but DC holds the record for staleness in characters.

Couldn't possibly disagree more.

 

[Stash]

And on one final note I don't get all the hate for the suspension of belief stuff. The entire series, the Batman character in general, is a huge suspension of belief.

Unless you actually believe that a billionaire, playboy, could be scurrying across rooftops, making impossible jumps, fighting numerous thugs who have guns, and never losing is an actual possibility.


The idea that all the sudden you had to suspend disbelief and that there are only suddenly holes in the logic and such of the storyline is laughable at best.

I'm willing to play by whatever rules a director sets for their universe. Again as a fan of the genre, I'm obviously not picky.

But when those rules are suddenly changed or dropped on the fly as a matter of convenience?

That doesn't sit well with me, especially from a director I hold in such high regard.

One of the best things about the Nolan series was how he took the fantastic and brought it as close to 'real' as had ever been done.

To see him abandon that standard this time around was disappointing.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

Truthfully Ive never been a fan of Batman or DC for that matter, so to me Avengers (or Hulk 3 as I like to call it) was a better movie. Marvel has a better product IMO, which is why Marvel is kicken DC hiney in the movie business.

Marvel has some stale characters but DC holds the record for staleness in characters.

Superman and Batman are on a different pedistal. They are far above all other superheroes, the 3rd is far off and that is Spiderman.

 

[joseephuss]

Superman and Batman are on a different pedistal. They are far above all other superheroes, the 3rd is far off and that is Spiderman.

Partly because Superman(1938) and Batman(1939) have both been around longer than Spider-Man(1962).

 

[TheSport78]

I'll just never understand how Bruce Wayne had time to shave his full beard off from when he escaped the prison to arriving at Gotham to ask Catwoman for her help.

 

[Bevo]

I think that Blake becomes Robin....not Batman because as Nolan stated earlier. Blake is a character made up of all 3 robins.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I think that Blake becomes Robin....not Batman because as Nolan stated earlier. Blake is a character made up of all 3 robins.

Probably would have been....had Nolan been returning for anymore of the movies (If anyone else even picks this franchise up and continues from where it is now). If Nolan knew he'd be returning to do another one they wouldn't have written the movie in a way to show Bruce Wayne as dead and the Batman character handed away.


Of course, I'll grant you, that the way the movie ended if Bale wanted to sign back on and someone did continue from there they could have done it that way simply to eliminate Bruce Wayne (Since the League of Shadows and probably other bad guys, knew Wayne was Batman) so that people would once again (other than Gordon, Fox, and the kid) wouldn't know who Batman was.

It's also a convienent way to allow Alfred to l eave believing Bruce was all right and no longer needed Batman.

 

[the kid 05]

I believe that was Nolan's way of writing Bruce Wayne out as Batman since Bruce Wayne was no longer Batman after his encounter with Bane in the comics.


As I recall in the comic when he gets his back broken by Bane it leaves Bruce paralyzed and he hands the Batman persona off to another. Azriel, or something similiar to that name. I'm a little fuzzy on it because it's been years since I read that particular comic and in the years since none of the cartoons followed that path. They always had Bane injury his back and months later Bruce returned as Batman to defeat Bane.

But as I recall in the comic Bruce Wayne was never again Batman after his fight with Bane. Which is why I believe they wrote the ending to this movie the way they did. They weren't going to take the Batman character off of Bale during this movie but it was written in such a way so that if someone else decides to pick this franchise up from here, and move on, they gave a perfectly good explanation for why someone else is now The Dark Knight and not Wayne.

He comes back after seeing Azuriel and Robin/Nightwing fighting over who would wear the cape and cowl. He doesn't become paralyzed just a broken back

The way I took the ending was it would allow Bruce to be Batman and train robin/nightwing and not have to worry about anyone he loves get hurt because "Bruce Wayne is dead"

 

[TheCount]

He comes back after seeing Azuriel and Robin/Nightwing fighting over who would wear the cape and cowl. He doesn't become paralyzed just a broken back

The way I took the ending was it would allow Bruce to be Batman and train robin/nightwing and not have to worry about anyone he loves get hurt because "Bruce Wayne is dead"

In Knightfall, Bruce is indeed paralyzed, from what I recall... he ends up getting healed of course (in typical comicbook fashion), but untill then he is supposed to be paralyzed.

 

[CowboyMike]

I think that Blake becomes Robin....not Batman because as Nolan stated earlier. Blake is a character made up of all 3 robins.

If you look closely at Blake's jacket when he enters the Batcave, he is wearing a black jacket with a blue stripe along the back, signifying he might become Nightwing, not Robin.

Remember, his actual birth name is Robin , which I think is Nolan's wink saying "See? We had Robin." It just wasn't Robin as we think. In a way he did act as Batman's sidekick in a mentor/student kind of relationship. Blake just wasn't running around in a red, green, and yellow suit. Remember, Robin has never been a solo act, unless you count teen titans. And the fact that his name is actually Robin wouldn't be very good for keeping his identity secret if he was Robin in costume. I think his experiences throughout the movie were his "turn" as Robin, in a symbolic sense. Nolan has repeatedly said they would not have Robin because it's just too cheesy.

Remember Bruce explains to Blake that Batman was meant to be a symbol, so anyone can take on its mantle and continue being the symbol. It wasn't meant for just one person. This discussion makes it more likely that Blake would simply become Batman. And less likely, but possible, that he'd be Nightwing due to the jacket.

 

[jobberone]

After the movie on the way home I tried to explain the concept of a willing suspension of disbelief to my honey. So the movie brought that subject up at least in my mind. It was a big stretch at times.

 

[Bevo]

If you look closely at Blake's jacket when he enters the Batcave, he is wearing a black jacket with a blue stripe along the back, signifying he might become Nightwing, not Robin.

Remember, his actual birth name is Robin , which I think is Nolan's wink saying "See? We had Robin." It just wasn't Robin as we think. In a way he did act as Batman's sidekick in a mentor/student kind of relationship. Blake just wasn't running around in a red, green, and yellow suit. Remember, Robin has never been a solo act, unless you count teen titans. And the fact that his name is actually Robin wouldn't be very good for keeping his identity secret if he was Robin in costume. I think his experiences throughout the movie were his "turn" as Robin, in a symbolic sense. Nolan has repeatedly said they would not have Robin because it's just too cheesy.

Remember Bruce explains to Blake that Batman was meant to be a symbol, so anyone can take on its mantle and continue being the symbol. It wasn't meant for just one person. This discussion makes it more likely that Blake would simply become Batman. And less likely, but possible, that he'd be Nightwing due to the jacket.

Good catch on the jacket....I was wiping away my tears at that point! :laugh2: