The defense will be better with Zeke

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Whether or not it was 1st, 2nd, or 3rd is meaningless to the overall point. This has devolved into a pissing contest.

I wonder what the correlation between passing metrics and TOP. Frankly when you want to discuss causation you need to discuss actual mechanics. I doubt this conversation gets there.

I don't see why it's so hard to believe that the passing game is much more important than the running game in today's day and age.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not really, I can show you the time of possession stats from any site but most do not include the playoff play and OT as this site does.

Most sites simply have regular season only, does not include OT and Playoff games which is the full body of work and true honesty and transparency.

Further, I can break it down game by game and demonstrate the time differential and you can not explain away how we won 11 of 18 games by TOP and point scoring, it is undeniable!

Here is another DallasNews article from last year, guess he has bad sources too...Front Brain Fuzzy!

Last season, the Cowboys were roundly praised for dominating the ball and limiting the exposure of their defense. It was a winning strategy, after all. Powered by the NFL's top rusher, DeMarco Murray, Dallas led the league in time of possession, finished with a 12-4 record in the regular season and made its first playoff appearance since 2009.

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...ys-still-lead-nfl-time-possession-really-mean

Okay we were league leaders in TOP. So what?

It is amusing that my front brain comment struck such a nerve with you.

 

[KJJ]

KJJ. You're a dachshund barking at a pit bull here, and it's obvious to everybody who's not a dachshund.

You don't know what you're talking about anymore than he does. He can use all the help he can get from his believers so fire away. What he's trying to sell many aren't buying. You're just one of those he's got wrapped around his finger.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You don't know what you're talking about anymore than he does. He can use all the help he can get from his believers so fire away. What he's trying to sell many aren't buying. You're just one of those he's got wrapped around his finger.

At some point are you going to make an actual argument or are you just going to try and slam others to try and discredit them as the entirety?

 

[Rogerthat12]

Adam gave reasons for the site not being credible and I didn't hear the part about confirmation bias.

STATS is the service the NFL and most major publications use. Adam does have access to it and most people don't. You can cry out your blanket dismissals but when you fail to address the points of an argument it makes you look pigheaded. Personally, I thank Adam for sharing what he has.

Demonstrate one site that has the full time of possession stats including OT and Playoff and we will demonstrate who is correct?

The most basic deflection is attacking the man not the cogency of an argument (in this case a site), that is all that was provided.

Show me evidence that this site is inaccurate with reference to total time of possession including OT and Play off games?

I have looked at all of the available sites and most do not include OT and playoff play which is incomplete.

I do not look pigheaded, I can demonstrate the literal time of possession per game breakdown which has us winning TOP for 11 of 18 games.

Let us see a rebuttal with an actual verification of sources to the contrary?

I am calling the "proof" bluff, let us see the facts?

Not going to happen, the fact is we won in 2014 by winning TOP and by scoring points.

As usual, lack of front Brain Fuzzy!

 

[KJJ]

At some point are you going to make an actual argument or are you just going to try and slam others to try and discredit them as the entirety?

I've been making my argument ever since the day Murray walked and I covered it again here try following along. How about you making an argument instead of coming around to try and stir things up? Let's hear your side of it seeing you want to get involved? The guy I'm arguing with claimed the running game has little effect on winning and losing. He lost the argument with that comment. LOL

 

[Rogerthat12]

Okay we were league leaders in TOP. So what?

It is amusing that my front brain comment struck such a nerve with you.

All waving your hands, no content!

That was my only point, that TOP and scoring points in 2014 was the recipe for this particular team for success.

This certainly benefited the defense in 2014, pretty basic and honest reflection.

Does anyone really believe more passing and less running for Romo is the recipe for success??

 

[jnday]

Adam gave reasons for the site not being credible and I didn't hear the part about confirmation bias.

STATS is the service the NFL and most major publications use. Adam does have access to it and most people don't. You can cry out your blanket dismissals but when you fail to address the points of an argument it makes you look pigheaded. Personally, I thank Adam for sharing what he has.

Roger just listed some more info from another source , but I am sure that is not good enough either. My "blanket statement " as you labeled it, was only addressing the childish " my stat is better than yours" debate. Stats are not an end-all for me because they can be used such as they have in this thread. Sure, the passing game is a very important factor in winning games, but it is not the only factor. There has been many great teams that won due to having a great rushing game and a balanced offense. I gave a few examples , but there are more than I can list. When an offense is built around a great oline , a great RB, TOP, and physical play, you can't dismiss one of these factors as not being part of winning games. The team is being built with the running game being very important to the success of the offense for this team. Other teams are different and you can't compare one offense to the other. Stats can't compare apples to oranges.

 

[jnday]

Okay we were league leaders in TOP. So what?

It is amusing that my front brain comment struck such a nerve with you.

He clearly showed that having the advantage in TOP was an factor in winning games with the exception being games with turnovers. He simply provided those much needed stats that posters are so fond of to contradict the claims that TOP had no impact on winning and losing.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Roger just listed some more info from another source , but I am sure that is not good enough either. My "blanket statement " as you labeled it, was only addressing the childish " my stat is better than yours" debate. Stats are not an end-all for me because they can be used such as they have in this thread. Sure, the passing game is a very important factor in winning games, but it is not the only factor. There has been many great teams that won due to having a great rushing game and a balanced offense. I gave a few examples , but there are more than I can list. When an offense is built around a great oline , a great RB, TOP, and physical play, you can't dismiss one of these factors as not being part of winning games. The team is being built with the running game being very important to the success of the offense for this team. Other teams are different and you can't compare one offense to the other. Stats can't compare apples to oranges.

Try separating that wall of texts into paragraphs.

Why can you not compare the teams? Your grand categorizations based on intent are great and all but I don't see how that means you cannot compare teams.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He clearly showed that having the advantage in TOP was an factor in winning games with the exception being games with turnovers. He simply provided those much needed stats that posters are so fond of to contradict the claims that TOP had no impact on winning and losing.

In one season. You have a long way to go to prove causation.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

All waving your hands, no content!

That was my only point, that TOP and scoring points in 2014 was the recipe for this particular team for success.

This certainly benefited the defense in 2014, pretty basic and honest reflection.

Does anyone really believe more passing and less running for Romo is the recipe for success??

I asked a question. You are now waving your hands at your central assumption. Correlation does not imply causation. Your sample size is showing as well.

If Romo is not successful we won't be successful no matter the TOP and running game. You really have no point and are grandstanding on a single point of fact. Forest, trees, and all that.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Roger just listed some more info from another source , but I am sure that is not good enough either. My "blanket statement " as you labeled it, was only addressing the childish " my stat is better than yours" debate. Stats are not an end-all for me because they can be used such as they have in this thread. Sure, the passing game is a very important factor in winning games, but it is not the only factor. There has been many great teams that won due to having a great rushing game and a balanced offense. I gave a few examples , but there are more than I can list. When an offense is built around a great oline , a great RB, TOP, and physical play, you can't dismiss one of these factors as not being part of winning games. The team is being built with the running game being very important to the success of the offense for this team. Other teams are different and you can't compare one offense to the other. Stats can't compare apples to oranges.

We are talking not in generalities as much as this team in particular.

For example, some teams like the Patriots can lose TOP and win games on a regular basis by having an elite passing attack.

Green Bay can also win primarily through the air regardless of TOP but have been better with a mixed running attack.

Dallas is better when we limit Romo's pass attempts and find a balance with a sound running attack.

So in our case, running the ball is an asset to the offense perhaps more than others.

TOP in and of itself is meaningless, it is what you do with the time in terms of efficiency of scoring that matters, Dallas just does in better overall when we are running the ball well.

 

[Rogerthat12]

I asked a question. You are now waving your hands at your central assumption. Correlation does not imply causation. Your sample size is showing as well.

If Romo is not successful we won't be successful no matter the TOP and running game. You really have no point and are grandstanding on a single point of fact. Forest, trees, and all that.

However, with the balanced running game Romo tends to be more successful as evidenced by 2014.

Less attempts and less interceptions with a more effective use of TOP.

You have nothing, literally no argument.

The team has said as much by drafting Zeke and rejecting Greg Ellis ( I mean Bosa as a consideration at 4 even if he was available).

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Demonstrate one site that has the full time of possession stats including OT and Playoff and we will demonstrate who is correct?

The most basic deflection is attacking the man not the cogency of an argument (in this case a site), that is all that was provided.

Show me evidence that this site is inaccurate with reference to total time of possession including OT and Play off games?

I have looked at all of the available sites and most do not include OT and playoff play which is incomplete.

I do not look pigheaded, I can demonstrate the literal time of possession per game breakdown which has us winning TOP for 11 of 18 games.

Let us see a rebuttal with an actual verification of sources to the contrary?

I am calling the "proof" bluff, let us see the facts?

Not going to happen, the fact is we won in 2014 by winning TOP and by scoring points.

As usual, lack of front Brain Fuzzy!

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/time-of-possession-pct-net-of-ot?date=2015-02-01

That was tough.

You have a point yet?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We are talking not in generalities as much as this team in particular.

For example, some teams like the Patriots can lose TOP and win games on a regular basis by having an elite passing attack.

Green Bay can also win primarily through the air regardless of TOP but have been better with a mixed running attack.

Dallas is better when we limit Romo's pass attempts and find a balance with a sound running attack.

So in our case, running the ball is an asset to the offense perhaps more than others.

TOP in and of itself is meaningless, it is what you do with the time in terms of efficiency of scoring that matters, Dallas just does in better overall when we are running the ball well.

Running the ball is going to make S come up and pass rushers not sell out for every team out there. Screens and the WCO proved a long time ago you could create the same effect with the short passing game.

I agree you don't want Romo doing 5+ step drops 40 times a game but he doesn't have to do that.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We are talking not in generalities as much as this team in particular.

For example, some teams like the Patriots can lose TOP and win games on a regular basis by having an elite passing attack.

Green Bay can also win primarily through the air regardless of TOP but have been better with a mixed running attack.

Dallas is better when we limit Romo's pass attempts and find a balance with a sound running attack.

So in our case, running the ball is an asset to the offense perhaps more than others.

TOP in and of itself is meaningless, it is what you do with the time in terms of efficiency of scoring that matters, Dallas just does in better overall when we are running the ball well.

Brady doesn't take a bunch of 5+ step drops and try to extend plays. He utilizes the short passing game with his backs and TE and takes occasional shots downfield.

Murray had good hands but he wasn't a dynamic route runner. We now have a RB who is. This team is actually more dynamic than that 2014 team because of it.

 

[Rogerthat12]

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/time-of-possession-pct-net-of-ot?date=2015-02-01

That was tough.

You have a point yet?

You are proving my point, Dallas is 53.69% with OT but what you have failed to do as add the play off numbers, hence lack of total body of work which makes it 54.69% which is what I reported.

32 minutes per game and 525 total time with time of possession percentage of 54.69% total.

Time of Possession 32:50 Opponents: 28:02 for the 2014 season, do the math.


http://www.nfl.com/teams/dallascowboys/statistics?season=2014&team=DAL&seasonType=

I guess NFL.COM is telling a lie as well? Are they credible to you?

Front Brain, the proof is right there Fuzzy!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You are proving my point, Dallas is 53.69% with OT but what you have failed to do as add the play off numbers, hence lack of total body of work which makes it 54.69% which is what I reported.

32 minutes per game and 525 total time with time of possession percentage of 54.69% total.

Time of Possession32:50 Opponents:
28:02

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Complete NFL Stats Preseason Stats Regular Season Stats Post Season Stats
Team Statistics
CowboysOpponents
Total First Downs342315
1st Downs (Rush-Pass-By Penalty)106 - 205 - 3186 - 195 - 34
3rd Down Conversions95/20189/204
4th Down Conversions3/610/20
Total Offensive Yds61385681
Offense (Plays-Avg Yds)1014 - 6.1978 - 5.8
Total Rushing Yds23541650
Rushing (Plays-Avg Yards)508 - 4.6392 - 4.2
Total Passing Yds37844031
Passing (Comp-Att-Int-Avg)328 - 476 - 11 - 8.4371 - 558 - 18 - 7.5
Sacks2830
Field Goals25/2916/18
Touchdowns5643
(Rush-Pass-Ret-Def)16 - 37 - 0 - 318 - 22 - 0 - 3
Time of Possession32:5028:02
Turnover Ratio+6

http://www.nfl.com/teams/dallascowboys/statistics?season=2014&team=DAL&seasonType=

I guess NFL.COM is telling a lie as well? Are the credible to you?

Front Brain, the proof is right there Fuzzy!

Well yeah you don't include playoff games because you are making a league ranking and not all teams make the playoffs. The playoffs are essentially a different league because only 12 teams make it.

 

[jnday]

You are proving my point, Dallas is 53.69% with OT but what you have failed to do as add the play off numbers, hence lack of total body of work which makes it 54.69% which is what I reported.

32 minutes per game and 525 total time with time of possession percentage of 54.69% total.

Time of Possession 32:50 Opponents: 28:02 for the 2014 season, do the math.


http://www.nfl.com/teams/dallascowboys/statistics?season=2014&team=DAL&seasonType=

I guess NFL.COM is telling a lie as well? Are the credible to you?

Front Brain, the proof is right there Fuzzy!

I agree with you 100% , but it is useless. Your stats are just not good enough lol.