The divide of the Dallas Cowboy's fandom

haleyrules

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Well the Angels (MLB) and Arte Moreno are taking a run at Jerry's ineptitude.
Too me. Jerry deserves most of the responsibility for whats happened in Dallas for the last 20 yrs. He wants to be considered a great football man. He is an average GM at best. Tony has done everything that could be asked of him. The Cowboys have got their monies worth and more from him. He has represented the Club and the NFL in a most respectable manner.
 

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Too me. Jerry deserves most of the responsibility for whats happened in Dallas for the last 20 yrs. He wants to be considered a great football man. He is an average GM at best. Tony has done everything that could be asked of him. The Cowboys have got their monies worth and more from him. He has represented the Club and the NFL in a most respectable manner.
That's the saddest part. Tony is a good guy and he deserved so much more. And now his body is starting to fail him.
 

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Too me. Jerry deserves most of the responsibility for whats happened in Dallas for the last 20 yrs. He wants to be considered a great football man. He is an average GM at best. Tony has done everything that could be asked of him. The Cowboys have got their monies worth and more from him. He has represented the Club and the NFL in a most respectable manner.

He's a horrid GM, Haley. Horrid. Putrid. Inept. I am qualified to say this, as one of my teams (that I follow equally as hard as our Boys) has one of the very best GM's in the sport. I see what an amazing GM can do for a franchise, he's been with us for the past 10 years.

Great words on Romo, brother. Cheers! :)
 

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That's the saddest part. Tony is a good guy and he deserved so much more. And now his body is starting to fail him.
Tell you what. Tony Romo is finished as a top QB in the NFL. Its hard to accept but its a fact. I feel disgusted for him and even more so for Jason Witten.
 

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The age of information, driven by millennials (I am one, but don't act as such, at least I feel I don't) greatly amplifies everything you noted, Bkight.

In my opinion, I think the futility of the franchise draws the largest amount of angst from our fandom, and bleeds itself down to our players.

My LA Kings had a very angry fanbase for years and years. Ever since I started following them in '96, every year was a giant bash fest, and rightfully so. They were pathetic. They drafted pathetic, and outside of 2 or 3 oh-so-close years, were woefully bad.

Then we got Dean Lombardi (our GM), and he changed the whole foundation of the organization, and with that, fans drank ALL the kool aid, on the way to two championships in three years (having gone 45 years without one, beforehand).

The futility of our franchise is seriously hemorrhaging into our fanbase, at least partially causing this devide, me thinks. And I can't fault it. But damn, it's disheartening to see, as we all adore our team.
I wish I could slay all millinealls. (Not you Trouty) Generation X rules! Millinealls are sheep.

Go Cowboys, Rangers, Mavs, Stars, FC Dallas, Longhorns, maybe TAMU on occasion, Red Raiders on occasion.

One love!
 

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Divided? Hell, this team makes me a bipolar fan. The only time I seem to be all in is when we're playing the game. Doesn't matter if we win or lose, I'm all in as long as they give everything they've got. I do not expect them to play beyond their talent level which also includes coaching.

But the extracurricular crap and inconsistencies the rest of the time divides me much of the time. This team can flat out be an embarrassment of a sports franchise and to counter that, it is the most profitable one. How in the hell can that be?

Take one bulletproof owner, with a .500 record the last 20 seasons with absolutely 0 repercussions of any mistakes he makes, that makes decisions just the way he did as a wildcatter taking risks and most of those risks have been dry holes yet he continues with the same behavior.

When they're on that field, my colors for such a long time, only then do I return to the fan created by a bunch of players on a frozen field in a losing effort. The rest of the time? Not so much. When they play, none of this other crap matters. Just me and my team.
 

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Divided? Hell, this team makes me a bipolar fan. The only time I seem to be all in is when we're playing the game. Doesn't matter if we win or lose, I'm all in as long as they give everything they've got. I do not expect them to play beyond their talent level which also includes coaching.

But the extracurricular crap and inconsistencies the rest of the time divides me much of the time. This team can flat out be an embarrassment of a sports franchise and to counter that, it is the most profitable one. How in the hell can that be?

Take one bulletproof owner, with a .500 record the last 20 seasons with absolutely 0 repercussions of any mistakes he makes, that makes decisions just the way he did as a wildcatter taking risks and most of those risks have been dry holes yet he continues with the same behavior.

When they're on that field, my colors for such a long time, only then do I return to the fan created by a bunch of players on a frozen field in a losing effort. The rest of the time? Not so much. When they play, none of this other crap matters. Just me and my team.

Well said, Couch. Thanks for sharing your perspective and the way the team effects you, brother.
 

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I wish I could slay all millinealls. (Not you Trouty) Generation X rules! Millinealls are sheep.

Go Cowboys, Rangers, Mavs, Stars, FC Dallas, Longhorns, maybe TAMU on occasion, Red Raiders on occasion.

One love!

One love, indeed, Fletch! :) LOVE your avatar, man! Three Amigos is a classic!!
 

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On a team, if you can deliver when it matters, and the team wins, that covers up everything. If you care, work hard, deliver, and are highly strung or a sore loser, or a difficult teammate, it doesn't matter. guys will go to war with guys who help them win, period.

They may not like them, they may not respect them all that much, but they accept them. Winning is a deodorant. Unique ability is a deodorant. There are 53 guys on a roster; not everybody likes everybody, but make as many plays as Dez does, and works like he does, and there's a spot on every team for that guy.
Nobody on this team has delivered. Only the Super Bowl teams get that deodorant (Maybe Witten for his Hall of Fame type career).
 

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I don't completely disagree but when we "win," you may have a valid point. But right now, to deal with the constant silliness under the umbrella and guise of "passion" while going .500 or less with a couple of seasons better than .500 is really kind of a farce. Team chemistry matters and has an impact on the type of environment that is conducive to winning.

We can at least agree the unnecessary drama around Dez is annoying, for sure.
 

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Nobody on this team has delivered. Only the Super Bowl teams get that deodorant (Maybe Witten for his Hall of Fame type career).

That's not how it works. When you play with a guy and he beats you in practice, or when he plays in your position group and is better than you, or if you can throw to him and he makes you look better, he gets his respect in the locker room.

That doesn't go away when he skips an MRI appointment.
 

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So everyone else perspective is wrong, but not yours though right?
I'm not alone. Many people obviously are not defending Dez and his antics.

I will say that if you are anywhere near the same age as Dez, that it will be hard for you to be unbiased.
 

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The traditional way in which the defense is measured uses yards as the metric. Yes, I agree that points measure victory and defeat. However, yardage is a more fair method of measuring productivity, or the results of decreasing the productivity of the opponent.
Like you said, what you're calling "productivity" plays a comparatively small role in wins and losses. By far the two defensive metrics with the strongest correlation to wins are points allowed per drive and defensive passer rating. In PPD from 2006-09, Dallas ranked 19th, 14th, 14th, and 3rd. In DPR, 21st, 5th, 21st, 17th. There's certainly nothing about 2006 or 2008 that suggests those were top 10 defenses.
Why? Because points are influenced by beginning field position. For example, Would it be fair for the defense to be evaluated by points if there are a dozen opponent drives that season that begin on the Cowboys 30 yardline as a result of turnovers? In 2008 there were 9 such drives much higher than the NFL average.
You can't judge a defensive performance with an anecdotal tidbit. If you want to know how field position influenced points allowed from 2006-09, check our opponents' average starting field position from 2006-09, and be done with it. There were only 7 defenses whose opponent had worse starting field position. In other words, field position helped rather than hurt our defense during those seasons. Total non-issue.
Putting it a different way, from 2006 to 2009, the Cowboys were in the top ten point differential 3 times.
Point differential isn't even a defensive stat. It's offense minus defense, which means Romo and the passing game played a huge part in that ranking.
Even if they were at 16, it would be sufficient enough to say they didn't suck which was a common accusation when claiming that Tony Romo had no help. In any case, three teams in the past ten years have won Super Bowls with defenses ranked 20 or lower in defense based on points.
And in every case, those defenses played better in the postseason -- unlike the Cowboy defenses you're talking about.

During the Romo era, the only playoff-caliber defenses in the regular season have been 2007 and 2009. Compare their postseason performances with those of the three teams you referred to, using the stats that actually tell you something about defenses. In parentheses is how that playoff performance would have ranked that year in the regular season.

Defensive Passer Rating
2011 Giants 83.1 (15th)
2009 Saints 78.5 (12th)
2006 Colts 62.5 (1st)
2009 Cowboys 109.2 (32nd)
2007 Cowboys 132.4 (32nd)

Points Allowed Per Drive
2011 Giants 1.26 (2nd)
2009 Saints 1.79 (19th)
2006 Colts 1.00 (1st)
2009 Cowboys 1.88 (20th)
2007 Cowboys 2.63 (32nd)

When you take the average rank using the two best metrics, you can see how poorly Dallas' two "top 10" defenses played in the postseason, compared to other defenses ranked lower in the regular season.

Playoff Defense
2011 Giants 9th
2009 Saints 16th
2006 Colts 1st
2009 Cowboys 26th
2007 Cowboys 32nd

That's not to say the offense or Romo himself played well in those two postseasons -- they didn't and he didn't. But with those defensive performances, it wouldn't have mattered anyway.
 

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Thanks brother! Keep on postin.

Oh, I'm officially hooked! Lurked every day all day, now I post every day all day lol!! Poor Zoners, I feel like I suck the energy out of this place at times.

Godspeed, brother :)
 

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I'm not alone. Many people obviously are not defending Dez and his antics.

I will say that if you are anywhere near the same age as Dez, that it will be hard for you to be unbiased.

Nobody is defending the antics, btw. We're saying the fallout from the recent antics is insignificant.

I'd also dispute age has anything to do with any particular posters' bias in this case, for the record.
 

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I'm not alone. Many people obviously are not defending Dez and his antics.

I will say that if you are anywhere near the same age as Dez, that it will be hard for you to be unbiased.

There's many fans in their 40s and 50s that love Dez. My old platoon sgt (49) is a Dez fanatic, X. All or nothing statements do nothing for productive debate.
 

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That's not how it works. When you play with a guy and he beats you in practice, or when he plays in your position group and is better than you, or if you can throw to him and he makes you look better, he gets his respect in the locker room.

That doesn't go away when he skips an MRI appointment.
Maybe in the locker room, but Dez wants special treament (Emmitt and Deion style) from coaches and does not deserve it.
 

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Nobody is defending the antics, btw. We're saying the fallout from the recent antics is insignificant.

I'd also dispute age has anything to do with any particular posters' bias in this case, for the record.

Age is a simple way to dismiss an arguement levied against one. No disrespect intended towards X
 
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