The End of Escobar

[LatinMind]

Id take Nick Vannett in round 4

 

[ConstantReboot]

So true.

I would love to see a two-TE system that would keep the opposing LBs and safeties closer to the line. Romo likes the intermediate passing game (good for his personal stats, you see) and that in turn would open up more opportunities -- maybe single coverage defenses -- for our WRs.

As for Escobar, he's young. I look for him to be ready for the real camp.

Its really too bad that we draft players to fit the two tightend set and have the resources to implement an offense based around it. If we use the 2 tightend set more often than not I think we'll see less blitzes. Less blitzes from the defense means less injuries for Romo.

With the two tightend set defenses will have to account for an extra TE out in the flats. The offense and will also have that extra blocker in just incase a defender blitzes - giving Romo and easy and simple outlet to go to.

There is flexibility with this offense which allowed Brady to thrive under this system. I don't see why we would not even try using since we've been using high draft picks and resources to the two tightend set. Romo's career can be extended because of it and Garrett will look like a genius.

But the problem is with the coach. I don't think he's willing to throw that playbook away just for the for the two tightend set to happen. The playbook is killing this team. If the coach is willing to change it up I believe will see some success using it.

 

[BAZ]

Acting like speed isn't a huge factor in today's passing NFL is pure ignorance. Great hands and precise routes, don't make a difference if you can't move the chains consistently enough and can't score in the endzone...

I didn't say speed wasn't a factor. I said you a looking at Wittens top speed and saying he can't play. If Escobar had great hands and precise routes he would probably not be useless. But here we are throwing around useless terms like dynamic because they are flavour of the month. Next up elite and legit. You have an agenda against Witten for no particular reason, you've just decided he's hurting the team and will hump the same note all offseason. Considering with what was providing him the ball, he still had a decent year.

 

[Frozen700]

We need to be saying the end of Witten.

 

[waving monkey]

IMO, the one valid complaint about this coaching staff is player development

 

[StarBoyz83]

We need to be saying the end of Witten.

Next season will most likely be romo and wittens last. But I sure hope not.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Its really too bad that we draft players to fit the two tightend set and have the resources to implement an offense based around it. If we use the 2 tightend set more often than not I think we'll see less blitzes. Less blitzes from the defense means less injuries for Romo.

With the two tightend set defenses will have to account for an extra TE out in the flats. The offense and will also have that extra blocker in just incase a defender blitzes - giving Romo and easy and simple outlet to go to.

There is flexibility with this offense which allowed Brady to thrive under this system. I don't see why we would not even try using since we've been using high draft picks and resources to the two tightend set. Romo's career can be extended because of it and Garrett will look like a genius.

But the problem is with the coach. I don't think he's willing to throw that playbook away just for the for the two tightend set to happen. The playbook is killing this team. If the coach is willing to change it up I believe will see some success using it.

Then we stay with a proven, failure of an offensive theory. But with Jason here do we really have hope of structural building? Chaps, I weep for the future.

 

[Frozen700]

Next season will most likely be romo and wittens last. But I sure hope not.

Time for us to move on from the 2 to be honest

 

[JoeKing]

Escobar wasn't that involved in the offense even when he was healthy. He may be able to come back to play mid-season but he won't matter yet again. I didn't follow his college career so I'm not sure if he is being wasted or not. IMO, he just isn't all that.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Next season will most likely be romo and wittens last. But I sure hope not.

2017 not this year.

 

[rpntex]

Maybe I'm dead wrong but, I thought he tore an Achilles...That's a long...long road back if true.

Yes, it was HS Achilles Tendon. He most likely misses the entire 2016 season. It's a full 12-month recovery for most, and it happened in December.

 

[rpntex]

They also made it a point of emphasis to improve Esco's blocking to try and get him on the field more.Maybe it didn't improve enough. Or maybe Garrett just doesn't like him.

You guys do realize that Linehan doesn't use a lot of 2-TE sets, right? He's the OC, and while I'm certain Garrett is involved somewhat in the offense, it's basically Linehan's game plan, which means he's the man making decisions related to personnel groupings.

Before Linehan's arrival, Dallas ran the 2-TE sets a little more (though still not a lot).

 

[rpntex]

Not sure where the disconnect is. That puts him out from June to August. Which has him missing most if not all of camp. That means no development from this year. Which doesn't bode well for his 2016 season, which either way, is his last here in Dallas.

Average recovery time for a complete rupture of the Achilles' tendon is 6-9 months. That puts him out until at least June, and likely, into September. I think the best-case scenario is for Dallas to place him to IR "to return" list, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's on IR for the entire season.

When I tore mine, it was 15 months before I could run like I could prior to the injury. While I was not a professional athlete, I was still young (25 at the time), and playing basketball every morning before work. In fact, that's how I injured it. Went up for a rebound, and when I came down a guy stepped on my heel. It popped, and literally rolled up the back of my leg about three inches. It wasn't all that painful, until I saw it.

 

[rynochop]

Pretty furious at the lack of effort to involve Escobar into this system. Escobar is now coming off an ACL injury, so my guess is not only does he miss the entire offseason program, he probably misses the first half of the season next year, and even then probably doesn't evolve beyond what he has done so far.

You can't just blame the player, they did the same thing with Martellus Bennett and he flourished in New York and Chicago, becoming one of the most dominant tight ends in the NFL. I would argue that right now he is probably a superior player, as he is a better blocker than Witten..

Yea, Bennet was so great in NY they couldn't wait to get rid of him. And you don't even have Escobars injury right

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Pretty furious at the lack of effort to involve Escobar into this system. Escobar is now coming off an ACL injury, so my guess is not only does he miss the entire offseason program, he probably misses the first half of the season next year, and even then probably doesn't evolve beyond what he has done so far.

You can't just blame the player, they did the same thing with Martellus Bennett and he flourished in New York and Chicago, becoming one of the most dominant tight ends in the NFL. I would argue that right now he is probably a superior player, as he is a better blocker than Witten.

Fasano, and Chandler have also had relatively successful careers outside of Dallas as well.

We simply never focused on getting that second tight end involved, and knowing that we weren't going to do that, we kept spending 2nd round picks on them.

Imagine the players we could have brought in, in the 2nd round instead of these tight ends... and no this is not hindsight. This goes to a complete lack of vision by the front office and coaching staff.

He wasn't any good really. All he did with his limited opportunities was score touchdowns.

 

[BigStar]

It always makes me laugh when people refer to seasons in which the Cowboys had an ELITE offense, and complain about "Garrett's lack of creativity" in those particular seasons.

Romo has proven to be the only culprit/reason for that Elite Offense referenced (last season was evidence coupled with the three 8-8's). At the most, Sparano knew about motion, deep TE seams, moving your #1, etc.

 

[DeaconMoss]

So true.

I would love to see a two-TE system that would keep the opposing LBs and safeties closer to the line. Romo likes the intermediate passing game (good for his personal stats, you see) and that in turn would open up more opportunities -- maybe single coverage defenses -- for our WRs.

As for Escobar, he's young. I look for him to be ready for the real camp.

Al Golden on his way to Dallas. Maybe he can get this 2 TE system going.......

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Al Golden on his way to Dallas. Maybe he can get this 2 TE system going.......

Or not.

Realistically, old fellow, the 2-TE system is largely a fan idea. It hardly ever comes to fruition or is used in the real world.
But who knows? We'd have to have two really good TEs for that. Witten, as good as he has been, is on old legs. When he leaves, maybe after next season, we'll need two exceptional TEs. Escobar could be one. The other from FA or the draft.
But we can dream. And the offseason lasts forever, so let the dream flow on, blokes!

 

[coult44]

Narcos on Netflix is a hellava show...

Then go to the netflix forum!!! This is A COWBOYS fan forum, where opinions are openly discussed. Folks like you crack me up!!

 

[Galian Beast]

Or not.

Realistically, old fellow, the 2-TE system is largely a fan idea. It hardly ever comes to fruition or is used in the real world.
But who knows? We'd have to have two really good TEs for that. Witten, as good as he has been, is on old legs. When he leaves, maybe after next season, we'll need two exceptional TEs. Escobar could be one. The other from FA or the draft.
But we can dream. And the offseason lasts forever, so let the dream flow on, blokes!

Not sure how it is a fan idea. This front office has been talking about it since 2006.