The Escobar Pick in 2013

[DandyDon1722]

Witten won't lose playing time in this organization until his legs literally give out on him.....

Yes sir. Doesn't matter who've we've drafted they were never going to get the opportunities all those guys received and would've never developed like them either. Our tight end is certainly a HOF candidate but he is also not a threat at this point.

 

[big dog cowboy]

You can do this with any team's picks.

This happens to every team.

But for some reason we have to marinate over the Escobar pick at least once a week around here.

 

[HappyOnions]

I'm still a firm believer that Escobar would be a really good TE for just about any other team.

 

[Floatyworm]

Can't agree with you on Witten not being a good tight end anymore. He's still among the best when his buddy is throwing him the ball.

People need to watch some tape. He can't block to save his soul. He's good for 6 plays a game for a play totally breaking down. It's that bad.

 

[Floatyworm]

I'm still a firm believer that Escobar would be a really good TE for just about any other team.

He can't block either... If he is gonna be the guy here...he's gonna have to block better. Or he is just gonna be a role player in the passing game. And it's gonna be a pretty small part. I don't see him and Hanna sharing that role. Someone is gonna have to go.....With Escobars injury...he may have played his last game as a Cowboy.

 

[NextGenBoys]

Drafting a TE that high when you have Witten has proved THREE TIMES NOW to be an awful line of thinking.

Three blown 2nd rounders.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

"Pointless hindsight" is fan for "my team made a huge mistake but I don't want to acknowledge it".

Not in this case. But you knew that.

 

[arglebargle]

My hindsight drafts are always perfect. I bet yours are too.....

 

[Floatyworm]

Drafting a TE that high when you have Witten has proved THREE TIMES NOW to be an awful line of thinking.

Three blown 2nd rounders.

Scary thought is if Jerry ponders..."Maybe I didn't draft a TE high enough?"...... Maybe not this year...but 2017 draft?...burning a 1st on another TE would really chap my ***

 

[Hoofbite]

Drafting a TE that high when you have Witten has proved THREE TIMES NOW to be an awful line of thinking.

Three blown 2nd rounders.

Just burned picks. Three 2nd rounders in a span of 8 drafts. Also in that span you had a 1st and 3rd rounder for Roy Williams, and a 1st and 2nd rounder for Morris Claiborne who they supposedly didn't even really look at leading up to the draft because they assumed he'd be gone.

Two 1st round picks
Four Second round picks
One 3rd round pick

No wonder the team has struggled. A good portion of the talent they should have been able to acquire over that span is either: A) Sitting on the bench behind Witten; B) sitting in an ice bath with an injury; or, C) sitting on a couch in Texas somewhere throwing up his "Hook 'em Horns" to home video footage from his high school and college playing days.

 

[Hardline]

I would still draft Hunter Henry the TE from Arkansas in the 2nd round. I don't care how many TE has been drafted in the 2nd lately.

 

[BAZ]

This happens to every team.

But for some reason we have to marinate over the Escobar pick at least once a week around here.

It's only because they made the same mistake three times with a hall of famer on the team. Just pour those resources in safety, just once.

 

[chicago JK]

A lot of time has been wasted on Escobar here. I remember reading one poster claim he had hands like a Hoover Vacuum and ball would suction to his hands. LOL>

A second round pick who is not a good blocker and is suppose to be a pass catcher but only manages 26 catches over three years. Even if your argument is he was limited playing behind witten, only getting 26 catches over three years is pretty telling.. That is a definition of a bust.

Maybe the team didn't use him properly but more likely Escobar just isn't very good. I believe Jordan Reid was drafted in the fifth round in the same draft.

 

[iceberg]

You can do a lot of this draft revisited stuff every year and it's painful for all teams. Bet the Commanders would love a do-over for the rg3 draft or a bunch teams would have loved picked Stefon diggs before the vikes got him ect....

this is why i just hate these threads. nothing to really say other than LOOK AT WHAT WE COULD HAVE HAD!!!! every year every team likely with a vast majority of their pics would "do over" if they could.

HOWEVER - if we're gonna dive into tatoo fantasyland crap, then every other team would ALSO want to redo THEIR draft and these jewels we missed would be long gone before the pic anyway.

it's a viscous cycle i tell ya!

 

[fishspill]

Pointless hindsight

I'll give you it is pointless in many ways; however, this is a message board and we have to talk about something. Also we can't call a player a bust until after their third year, but when we do we hear how reflecting on it is "pointless." At what point is talent evaluation and draft pick use allowed?

 

[big dog cowboy]

It's only because they made the same mistake three times with a hall of famer on the team. Just pour those resources in safety, just once.

I'd say that was a pretty fair response!

 

[perrykemp]

It's ridiculous to continue using premium draft picks on a position being manned by a future HOF player who isn't close to being done.

Witten had a career low 9.3 yards per reception. It could be that it had everything to do with the QBs throwing him the ball, however, it could also be one of those initial signs of decline.

 

[Stash]

To be fair, it's not like people were praising the Escobar pick when it happened. While the Fred pick was polarizing, the Escobar pick was the one pick most people agreed was the negative of the draft.

Plenty of the 'Super Fans' were valiantly defending it while the rest of us lamented yet another second round pick wasted on a TE that the team would once again never use.

And then when it's proven accurate the "just move on", cover your eyes comments come out.

 

[jterrell]

Odds were in our favor to hit it big on a TE with a 2nd rd pick. In hindsight this pick is more painful than ever...

1) Pick 21 Tyler Eifert
2) Pick 35 Zach Ertz
Cowboys picked T. Fredrick w/ pick 31. Great pick... But according to draft pundits... getting Fredrick at 47, where Cowboys drafted Escobar, would have been virtually guaranteed.
3) Pick 47 Gavin Escobar
Le'veon Bell went to Pitt with the pick next pick... just sayin'
4) Pick 55 Zach McDonald
5) Pick 63 Travis Kelce
6) Pick 85 Jordan Reed

yea, this is just sad and painful.
i still believe escobar can play too which makes it even worse.
i think a combination of dallas training their TE primarily as run blockers murders development.
escobar should have been working almost solely as a WR in camps/training.
you can't ask every TE that comes in to be jason witten.
escobar was a glorified WR as SDSU and he could have been that here.
we badly neededly that role filled.
he has instead improved dramatically at blocking and looks slower, less coordinated and with worse hands than when he arrived.

i am to the point of simply signing a proven back up TE because lord we can't draft and develop them.
i think i'd rather have jordan reed on this team than todd gurley....

 

[jterrell]

You can do a lot of this draft revisited stuff every year and it's painful for all teams. Bet the Commanders would love a do-over for the rg3 draft or a bunch teams would have loved picked Stefon diggs before the vikes got him ect....

this is 100% true.
but it would be very hard to find a team who has done less with TE draft picks the last decade than Dallas.
even before Witten one of the worst selections in the team's history is Troy's personal TE selection, LaFleur.
we have been disastrously bad with the 24 carat exception of Hall of Famer Witten.