The Escobar Pick in 2013

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Everything said in a fan forum is practically pointless, it doesn't matter unless we are staging a "walkout" or boycott or something along those lines, this forum exists because fans need/want to vent

Its a meritless vent, pointless because Escobar has never been the #1 TE and yet he's supposed to be a bust because we've had the good fortune of having a healthy Witten. We've yet to see what Escobar would be like as a starter and we're acting like having depth at a primary position in our offense is a mistake. Lamenting the Claiborne pick at least has some real data we could point to.

I'll give you it is pointless in many ways; however, this is a message board and we have to talk about something. Also we can't call a player a bust until after their third year, but when we do we hear how reflecting on it is "pointless." At what point is talent evaluation and draft pick use allowed?
 

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Its a meritless vent, pointless because Escobar has never been the #1 TE and yet he's supposed to be a bust because we've had the good fortune of having a healthy Witten. We've yet to see what Escobar would be like as a starter and we're acting like having depth at a primary position in our offense is a mistake. Lamenting the Claiborne pick at least has some real data we could point to.

He's a bust of a draft pick because the team has never gotten the return on investment. Point your finger in whatever direction you choose to place blame for that, but when you get nothing from a 2nd round pick - for whatever reason - it's a bust.

Both of the prior two mistakes, Fasano and Bennett, weren't busts because they couldn't play, they were busts because the Cowboys failed to get the return on investment they should have in using such a significant draft investment in them.
 

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It's a wasted pick because they don't use him properly. What's the point of having a receiving TE if you only target him 2 times each game?

It is what it is. Witten will be the starting TE playing 99% of the snaps as long as Romo is QB. Any HC with a clue would lessen an aging Witts snaps and give the other TEs more snaps. Witten is a HOFer and probably a top 10 Cowboy but it's ridiculous he still plays so many snaps at this point in his career.

Escobar like the other TEs the Cowboys have drafted in the 2nd round will go to another team and have a solid NFL career. Escobar is not devoid of talent. Far from it.
 
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He's a bust of a draft pick because the team has never gotten the return on investment. Point your finger in whatever direction you choose to place blame for that, but when you get nothing from a 2nd round pick - for whatever reason - it's a bust.

Both of the prior two mistakes, Fasano and Bennett, weren't busts because they couldn't play, they were busts because the Cowboys failed to get the return on investment they should have in using such a significant draft investment in them.

The original post we are supposedly discussing lists other tight ends that were on the board,,,
 

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The original post we are supposedly discussing lists other tight ends that were on the board,,,

Le'Veon Bell is also mentioned in that post. If we abandoned this second TE nonsense instead of repeating it, we might just have the best all around running back in the league on this roster instead of the Joseph Randle debacle.

It's not just about picking arguably the worst TE in the bunch, it's about passing on better players while doing it.
 

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It only takes one GM to have taken frebbeard. Just one. So all of this "we could have gotten him later" is merely speculating.
I'm glad we didn't take that risk.
 

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Odds were in our favor to hit it big on a TE with a 2nd rd pick. In hindsight this pick is more painful than ever...

1) Pick 21 Tyler Eifert
2) Pick 35 Zach Ertz
Cowboys picked T. Fredrick w/ pick 31. Great pick... But according to draft pundits... getting Fredrick at 47, where Cowboys drafted Escobar, would have been virtually guaranteed.
3) Pick 47 Gavin Escobar
Le'veon Bell went to Pitt with the pick next pick... just sayin'
4) Pick 55 Zach McDonald
5) Pick 63 Travis Kelce
6) Pick 85 Jordan Reed

Not making Escobar out to be Tony Gonzalez or anything, but Escobar would easily be a top 10 receiving TE if he was used to his strengths. But like the other TEs that have come and gone, he's stuck in the black hole behind Witten as the dreaded 2nd TE.

IMO Jordan Reed is the only TE from that list who I think is definitively better than Escobar from a talent standpoint.
 

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Witten won't lose playing time in this organization until his legs literally give out on him.....

This is the problem. Whiten is not a playmaker any longer. And this organization will let him play here as long as he wants.
 

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People need to watch some tape. He can't block to save his soul. He's good for 6 plays a game for a play totally breaking down. It's that bad. :(

I can't find any blocking numbers to completely blow away your overreactive assessment. However, I did find Football Outsiders overall rankings for tight ends. Witten was the sixth-best tight end in 2014, according to their statistical criteria. This year, he is someone around 29th. I wonder what the difference could be?
 

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thing that bothers me most about escobar pick is that we coulda picked tyrann mathieu instead.. idc about his off the field problems because i believed he loved football enough to leave that behavior behind and its showing now
 

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We could go through the draft and pick apart every team and say "Look who they passed up for the guy they ended up picking!!" Every team.


Having said that, The Cowboys just do it more often, and make other bonehead mistakes more often then other franchises......

Look at the teams in the playoffs. First Tier: Steelers, Patriots, Broncos, Packers, Seahawks.

Second: Panthers, Chiefs, Bengals, Cardinals.....


Some would put us in the Chargers, Siants, Giants, etc, etc, tier.


I think were in the lower tiers. Teams like the skins and lions, vikings..... etc etc. We make the playoffs evry now and then....but we dont make it far, when we do.
 

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Witten is the standard for consistency, he's one of the great tight ends of all time and deserves more respect than ya'll are giving him. The guy still catches everything that hits his hands. Is he slow? Yes, but he's the only guy we can go to consistently on 3rd and medium who will catch the freakin ball.
 

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Odds were in our favor to hit it big on a TE with a 2nd rd pick. In hindsight this pick is more painful than ever...

1) Pick 21 Tyler Eifert
2) Pick 35 Zach Ertz
Cowboys picked T. Fredrick w/ pick 31. Great pick... But according to draft pundits... getting Fredrick at 47, where Cowboys drafted Escobar, would have been virtually guaranteed.
3) Pick 47 Gavin Escobar
Le'veon Bell went to Pitt with the pick next pick... just sayin'
4) Pick 55 Zach McDonald
5) Pick 63 Travis Kelce
6) Pick 85 Jordan Reed

I would have selected Eifert in the first and took Frederick( I like the pick, just not in the first) in the second....There wasn't another center taken until the fifth round I believe so there was no way Frederick was being selected in the first or second round unless Dallas took him but I think they panicked when there was a run on offensive linemen that year early and often...Escobar would work in a Patriot offense, not in a Cowboy offense when he doesn't block well regardless of all the talk Garrett and Jerry were saying how they were going to utilize Escobar in a Patriot type offense which never occurred..
 
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Witten had a career low 9.3 yards per reception. It could be that it had everything to do with the QBs throwing him the ball, however, it could also be one of those initial signs of decline.

You can't read a lot into that because with Romo going down all the receivers numbers were down. The QBs were checking down all season throwing underneath it was the result of the system and playing with 3 backup QBs.
 

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another high pick should not be used on te until witten retires. they will never see the field.
 

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Odds were in our favor to hit it big on a TE with a 2nd rd pick. In hindsight this pick is more painful than ever...

1) Pick 21 Tyler Eifert
2) Pick 35 Zach Ertz
Cowboys picked T. Fredrick w/ pick 31. Great pick... But according to draft pundits... getting Fredrick at 47, where Cowboys drafted Escobar, would have been virtually guaranteed.
3) Pick 47 Gavin Escobar
Le'veon Bell went to Pitt with the pick next pick... just sayin'
4) Pick 55 Zach McDonald
5) Pick 63 Travis Kelce
6) Pick 85 Jordan Reed

So you are not happy with the pick?
 

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We really gotta find someone to stretch the seams.

In theory Escobar should be that guy and maybe it's just the Cowboys poor offensive coaching staff not able to get him involved.

Marty B is one of the best TEs in football and in Dallas he was a waste of a 2nd.
 

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Witten can play until he's close to 40 because he's never relied on speed or athletic ability. He doesn't do jump balls and doesn't make diving catches in 13 years I've never seen his feet leave the ground to make a catch. He has a knack for finding soft spots and seams that's an ability that sustains with players like him.
 
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