The Garrett bashing is trite, tired, and lacking in truth

[reddyuta]

The media here never criticizes him for his obvious weakness in the X's and O's department.

It gets masked by incredible players but Jason Garretts lack of dynamics in our scheme really handicaps us.

He has no feel for the chess aspect of football. He can't play that game.

this is so obvious except for the garrett apologists,he never altered the scheme for weeden.

 

[khiladi]

One thing I have learned over the past few weeks....

Romo's on field intelligence greatly masks the deficiencies on the sidelines in the coaching ranks. Without him keeping these coaches honest, we are getting flat out smoked by more strategically thinking coaching staffs.

Painful.

Remember the days when Garrett did want him in the game planning... This idea that Garrett has vision or football smarts makes me laugh..


Only when Jerry signed him with that new contract and said Romo is going to me more involved and is going to have a role like Peyton did changes actually start happening...

And now Garrett tries to hang out with Romo whenever..

 

[Alexander]

he never takes the blame himself, it is always the players didnt play well, and they need to watch the tape and get better and move forward.
Right now they are stacking losses instead of wins and it will continue, Giants are playing better, and are 3-2 and lead the division now so will play harder and be more motivated.
The skins and eagles are now tied with us at 2-3. I think we will be on the bottom by game 7 or 8
The skins are gaining confidence and gelling as a team, and the eagles are starting to figure things out and get better.
D. Murray 20 for 83 yds 4.2 svg 1 td in a win so this will give them confidence. They beat NO 39-17

Eventually a coach needs to get contrite and honest about what they are doing, even if they know it is just the players not executing. That type of robotic response is not going to snap anyone out of a tailspin. You see it happen quite often, the coach takes accountability and the players rally around him. I just do not think that there is enough of that right now. Even if it is not necessarily true, saying something along those lines can help a team overachieve.

 

[fifaguy]

Not once does he state anything about him doing a better job to put his players in a better position.

Eventually, he will need to say something to hold him and the staff accountable. This will not go over well if the losses continue.

I agree with you but when you say, "it will not go over well..," with whom are you referring to? Jerry? He's not likely to erupt no matter how ugly it gets this year...

 

[khiladi]

Eventually a coach needs to get contrite and honest about what they are doing, even if they know it is just the players not executing. That type of robotic response is not going to snap anyone out of a tailspin. You see it happen quite often, the coach takes accountability and the players rally around him. I just do not think that there is enough of that right now. Even if it is not necessarily true, saying something along those lines can help a team overachieve.

But it's just a PC and we don't know what he really does behind closed doors.. Unles it's Wade... Then his PCs clearly reflect what he is doing behind close doors..

At least that was the story for the homers..

 

[Alexander]

I agree with you but when you say, "it will not go over well..," with whom are you referring to? Jerry? He's not likely to erupt no matter how ugly it gets this year...

It will not go over well with the players. One thing Garrett has been able to avoid is dealing with adversity. This is the first three game losing streak in his career. It is easier to talk about not executing and so on when you do not have to explain a losing streak all with the same constant, which is the offense not being able to move the ball.

 

[fifaguy]

It will not go over well with the players. One thing Garrett has been able to avoid is dealing with adversity. This is the first three game losing streak in his career. It is easier to talk about not executing and so on when you do not have to explain a losing streak all with the same constant, which is the offense not being able to move the ball.

Yes. The locker room issue. Very good point...

 

[DandyDon52]

Eventually a coach needs to get contrite and honest about what they are doing, even if they know it is just the players not executing. That type of robotic response is not going to snap anyone out of a tailspin. You see it happen quite often, the coach takes accountability and the players rally around him. I just do not think that there is enough of that right now. Even if it is not necessarily true, saying something along those lines can help a team overachieve.

your right it might help player stay motivated, but truth is he is the problem, with his game plan and play book being stale and vanilla, and not playng
guys like cassel and CM, and even the new WR they just got.
Get them in the game and see what they do, you can always go back to weeden and randle and street..

 

[Alexander]

Yes. The locker room issue. Very good point...

He will always have Witten for support, but I can see players like Hardy etc. getting disgruntled if they are producing a high level and the offense simply cannot score points or move the ball efficiently to keep them off the field.

Offensive efficiency is what bought 12 wins last season.

 

[Alexander]

your right it might help player stay motivated, but truth is he is the problem, with his game plan and play book being stale and vanilla, and not playng
guys like cassel and CM, and even the new WR they just got.
Get them in the game and see what they do, you can always go back to weeden and randle and street..

There just still seems to be the entitlement that has always existed. All this talk about competition is a little hollow when you have players being used for one play like Michael, or getting inactive like Collins, especially when the players ahead of them are not getting it done.

 

[fifaguy]

He will always have Witten for support, but I can see players like Hardy etc. getting disgruntled if they are producing a high level and the offense simply cannot score points or move the ball efficiently to keep them off the field.

Offensive efficiency is what bought 12 wins last season.

Not sure that JG can make a winner out ofthis team unless Romo

He will always have Witten for support, but I can see players like Hardy etc. getting disgruntled if they are producing a high level and the offense simply cannot score points or move the ball efficiently to keep them off the field.

Offensive efficiency is what bought 12 wins last season.

Offensive efficiency? At this point I would settle for evidence that they are actually playing to win. Didn't see any of that on the offensive side of the ball yesterday.

 

[DandyDon52]

One thing I have learned over the past few weeks....

Romo's on field intelligence greatly masks the deficiencies on the sidelines in the coaching ranks. Without him keeping these coaches honest, we are getting flat out smoked by more strategically thinking coaching staffs.

Painful.

YEP that is true Romo make something out of plays that did not work , and makes vanilla and stale plays work.
Without him you see what we really have in the coaches, which isnt much.
Not talking about defense coaches, they do pretty good.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Got any examples of these teams that we able to keep winning despite losing multiple all-pro caliber skill players for an extended period of time?



Who said anything about giving up? I said that it isn't realistic to expect to win when we don't have Romo or Dez...especially when our backup is an utter nonentity.



If games were 30 minutes long those that might mean something. Unfortunately for us they aren't.



Uh-huh. NFL games are generally decided by playmakers. We just don't have any of those guys right now.

We played one yesterday that went 10-5 without their all World QB when he went down. And that was when the Patriots didn't have any all pro caliber skill players around him. Just good role players. Coaching staff adjusted and got the job done.


The Colts just won 2 games in what a 4 day span, or something like that, with their back up QB. Obviously they are in better health all around then us, so credit where that is due, but none the less their coaching staff adjusted and got the job done.

It's way harder, without a doubt, and no one is expecting Weeden to be all pro, or to win every game, but with better QB play, with a better offensive game plan that shows they actually have faith and trust their QB to play solid the Cowboys would have won 2 out of these last 3 games.

Yesterday, by far, was the worst lack of trust I've seen from the coaching staff in Weeden. It was the worst offensive performance, by a long shot. What did they have 7 three and out possession in the first half? 7 out of 8 possessions? Good Lord.

That's not just on Weeden being hot garbage, which he absolutely is, that's also on some pretty piss poor coaching which chose to go with the most basic, elementary offense, they could come up with cause they clearly have no faith in Brandon.

They were hoping for a miracle that the defense would suddenly be the 85 Bears and would just win because of that. That's piss poor coaching, on all levels. That begins, and ends, with Jason Garrett.

 

[DandyDon52]

Not sure that JG can make a winner out ofthis team unless Romo



Offensive efficiency? At this point I would settle for evidence that they are actually playing to win. Didn't see any of that on the offensive side of the ball yesterday.

even Phil sims was stunned by lack on innovation on part of dallas offense.

 

[Alexander]

even Phil sims was stunned by lack on innovation on part of dallas offense.

He also was predicting late in the game that Weeden would be back. Don't know why he kept saying that.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Yeah, I've watched them. Sounds like I remember them a bit better than you do.

There's no way of knowing how this team plays against this next run of teams coming out of the bye. Nobody we're playing has an offense like the Patriots just did. Give us McClain and Hardy, and do you really think either ATL or the Saints still beat us after what you saw today? How 'bout we throw in Gregory then? Or Dez?

The season's far from over. You've seen enough football to know that yourself if you can remember how it goes through your haze of anger right now. We're going to be a significant player in the East before it's all said and done if we don't keep losing starters. I have zero doubt of that, still.

Fair enough.

Lets say that we stick with Weeden and this continues, which I absolutely expect it to because it doesn't matter how great the D plays for a half, or three quarters, they're eventually going to gas with our offense playing like complete garbage.

So let's say for arguments sake that you continue with Weeden and this team loses to the Giants, Eagles, and Seahawks coming up. That's 2-6 at that point. And you'd still think that this team would be a significant player in the East if the team is 3-6 or 2-7 by the time Romo returns?


I mean hey man I love me some Tony Romo. He's fantastic. But now you're asking him to perform freaking miracles and return from injury and just go 6-0 down the stretch so save this team? I mean I'd love it if he did, cause he's great, but that might be asking for a little too much.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

I mean hey man I love me some Tony Romo. He's fantastic. But now you're asking him to perform freaking miracles and return from injury and just go 6-0 down the stretch so save this team? I mean I'd love it if he did, cause he's great, but that might be asking for a little too much.

with this defense at 100% full strength (which barring more injuries will be there when tony comes back) he will easily go 6-0.

 

[sweetness0986]

Can we pick up Romo as a coach in some capacity when he retires? Seriously...

 

[erod]

Yes how dare they question a coach who has had one single good season in his whole tenure here.

He's never had a losing season while rebuilding a roster, but keep spouting your nonsense.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

It will not go over well with the players. One thing Garrett has been able to avoid is dealing with adversity. This is the first three game losing streak in his career. It is easier to talk about not executing and so on when you do not have to explain a losing streak all with the same constant, which is the offense not being able to move the ball.

Actually this is the one area where I feel confident that JG will actually excel, as it's where he does excel. With the locker room.

I'm not actually worried about him losing the locker room because he does seem to be one of those guys who can really get his guys to stick with him and believe.

The fans will clearly get fed up with it, and most probably already are. I think Jerry might actually turn on him before the players would. And I don't think Jerry will turn on him either, just for the record.