The huge Conundrum

[mkindred]

A six game suspension is the minimum discipline for domestic violence cases under the NFL Personal Conduct Policy. The policy has so much grey area for infractions that something as seemingly absurd as a pillow fight would qualify for possible disciplinary action.

Not sure what point you are trying to make, however, since that policy was implemented in 2014, Zeke is the first and only player to be hit with 6 games. And he is not the only one punished for DV.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Don't buy what? So your basing all this based on personal opinion it seems. Without any facts to backup your reasoning. Ok got it.

 

[DallasEast]

Not sure what point you are trying to make, however, since that policy was implemented in 2014, Zeke is the first and only player to be hit with 6 games. And he is not the only one punished for DV.

My comment was in response to the posters' pillow reference to whom I quoted. The policy could be enforced in accordance with an event as trivial as that. My comment was made for general discussion and not directly regarding the current league punishment levied against Elliott.

 

[mkindred]

My comment was in response to the posters' pillow reference to whom I quoted. The policy could be enforced in accordance with an event as trivial as that. My comment was made for general discussion and not directly regarding the current league punishment levied against Elliott.

Should have paid attention to who you were quoting and it would have been clear.. already had my fill of him earlier.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I have no idea if Zeke did or didn't do something at some point.

That has nothing to do with this. The NFL suspended him because they can. They don't have anything, cause I highly doubt the NFL found any more evidence then the police departments and DA would find. They suspended him on the vagueness of him tarnishing the league image simply by being involved, in anyway, in a scandal like this.

He didn't do it? So what. He was accused. He made the NFL look bad. Suspension.

That's why I didn't understand anyone who honestly thought there was any chance that he wouldn't get suspended. This was a forgone conclusion from the very start.

It was never about finding out if he was innocent or not. The NFL couldn't care less about that. All they care about is his name is attached to a bad situation so they were going to make sure and show that they'll punish him for it.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I have no idea if Zeke did or didn't do something at some point.

That has nothing to do with this. The NFL suspended him because they can. They don't have anything, cause I highly doubt the NFL found any more evidence then the police departments and DA would find. They suspended him on the vagueness of him tarnishing the league image simply by being involved, in anyway, in a scandal like this.

He didn't do it? So what. He was accused. He made the NFL look bad. Suspension.

That's why I didn't understand anyone who honestly thought there was any chance that he wouldn't get suspended. This was a forgone conclusion from the very start.

It was never about finding out if he was innocent or not. The NFL couldn't care less about that. All they care about is his name is attached to a bad situation so they were going to make sure and show that they'll punish him for it.

Correction. Zeke did not tarnish the league. He was found NOT GUILTY and evidence have proven his case to show that it was in fact, not guilty.

Its up to the league to do the right thing and be focused on football and nothing else. This has been blown out of proportion because its the NFL and Goddell's fault. Not Zeke.

So to say that Zeke tarnished the league is incorrect. The league tarnished their name themselves by NOT doing the right thing and making this into a big deal.

 

[Solution]

Again 6 games is not like he hit her with a pillow

The entire point of my post is that it doesn't matter what he did. The league is covering their bases due to recent mishaps such as the handling of Ray Rice.

I've never thought Zeke was some stand up dude like Dak, but the league has given is plenty of reason to not trust in their judgement at this point.

 

[Zekeats]

A six game suspension is the minimum discipline for domestic violence cases under the NFL Personal Conduct Policy. The policy has so much grey area for infractions that something as seemingly absurd as a pillow fight would qualify for possible disciplinary action.

No it's not. See Josh Brown

 

[Zekeats]

The entire point of my post is that it doesn't matter what he did. The league is covering their bases due to recent mishaps such as the handling of Ray Rice.

I've never thought Zeke was some stand up dude like Dak, but the league has given is plenty of reason to not trust in their judgement at this point.

While I agree with you that they are covering themselves due to the ray rice situation I also believe there is something that they found which does justify a suspension. 6 games is probably harsh but that's due to rice

 

[Solution]

While I agree with you that they are covering themselves due to the ray rice situation I also believe there is something that they found which does justify a suspension. 6 games is probably harsh but that's due to rice

If there is more evidence I'm sure it will come out as this gets dragged through the mud, but how does the NFL benefit from not just coming out with everything now? I mean they wrote a 6 page letter, what good does it do them to hold back at this point?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Correction. Zeke did not tarnish the league. He was found NOT GUILTY and evidence have proven his case to show that it was in fact, not guilty.

Its up to the league to do the right thing and be focused on football and nothing else. This has been blown out of proportion because its the NFL and Goddell's fault. Not Zeke.

So to say that Zeke tarnished the league is incorrect. The league tarnished their name themselves by NOT doing the right thing and making this into a big deal.

I'm not saying I think he did.

I don't personally care what anyone thinks Zeke did or didn't do to some NFL image.

My point was, to the league, he did. Just by being involved in this situation in any form. Even if he's completely innocent the league does not care. They care that his name was brought up, in any way, in a situation like this and thus damaging the reputation.

I don't agree with that but I don't have to. I'm not part of the league. I don't get to decide what they believe does and doesn't tarnish the league.


The moment his name was brought up in a negative situation the league decided right then and there that he was going to be punished for it. The only matter was how long they were going to punish him for.

 

[DallasEast]

No it's not. See Josh Brown

That is true concerning the length of Brown's and Elliott's respective suspensions. My greater point refers to what events the commissioner can deem enforceable under the Personal Conduct Policy--regardless to how trivial an event may seem to anyone else.

 

[Zekeats]

Very good. You took one bit of the story and created a fictitious scenario to try and prove a point. Let me guess.. vaccines cause ADHD and shouldn't be administered either?

https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburn...even-a-liar-can-be-beaten-and-choked/?ref=mpw

Here you go Heman woman abuser club lover.

 

[mkindred]

https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburn...even-a-liar-can-be-beaten-and-choked/?ref=mpw

Here you go Heman woman abuser club lover.

I've never claimed Zeke is innocent, I've always stood behind my stance based on the evidence that is available there is not enough to place the scarlet letter on Zeke of being a woman beater. That article is nothing more than speculation and her side of the story - which she's lied, asked other people to lie, and many sworn affidavits discrediting her claim. If there is evidence the NFL has that would make it a cut and dry case then by all means Zeke got everything he got, and probably got off light. We are just asking to see it because the evidence they have provided isn't matching up.

Calling me a woman abuser club lover because I base my opinions on facts, well, you sir are a despicable human being for even trying to allude that I would support such an awful act if it is true.

 

[Zekeats]

I've never claimed Zeke is innocent, I've always stood behind my stance based on the evidence that is available there is not enough to place the scarlet letter on Zeke of being a woman beater. That article is nothing more than speculation and her side of the story - which she's lied, asked other people to lie, and many sworn affidavits discrediting her claim. If there is evidence the NFL has that would make it a cut and dry case then by all means Zeke got everything he got, and probably got off light. We are just asking to see it because the evidence they have provided isn't matching up.

Calling me a woman abuser club lover because I base my opinions on facts, well, you sir are a despicable human being for even trying to allude that I would support such an awful act if it is true.

So you take one lie and that discredits everything that has happened. Apparently 4 different people who work for the NFL did a year long investigation and all came to the same conclusion. Look in the air and whistle away pal.

 

[mkindred]

So you take one lie and that discredits everything that has happened. Apparently 4 different people who work for the NFL did a year long investigation and all came to the same conclusion. Look in the air and whistle away pal.

No, I took 1 lie, one text message exchange asking another person to lie for her, and numerous affidavits (that are well documented in countless threads here) to form my basis. Then I doubled down with the fact the NFL, in their own report, questioned the credibility of the witness and also documented a conversation where she was willing to extort Zeke. I've also actually revisited the "investigations" of Bountygate and Deflategate, led by the some of the same people who were on this panel, to objectively look at the "evidence" they had to come to such harsh conclusions to question this panel of 4. After Bountygate and Deflategate, the NFL presented evidence that made the general public believe they were guilty, yet within those fan bases who have devoted time into the decision like we are with the Zeke case. The way the NFL presented the case for those two instances, I was full on board with "Yep, they deserved everything they got!" but without a dog in the fight, I never researched myself what evidence they brought to the table. And here's a hint for you, it was circumstantial at best and if you haven't done your own research, you should. So yes, I do not trust the 4 person panel. I do not trust the "neutral" party hearing Zeke's appeal since he is assigned almost every appeal by the NFL (Here's a theory, if you completely disagree with the NFL's findings, do you really think you'll get paid for future services to be the arbitrator of appeals?). If the NFL has concrete evidence, the fans and the media are just asking to present it - because **what we know to exist** doesn't prove jack.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I'm not saying I think he did.

I don't personally care what anyone thinks Zeke did or didn't do to some NFL image.

My point was, to the league, he did. Just by being involved in this situation in any form. Even if he's completely innocent the league does not care. They care that his name was brought up, in any way, in a situation like this and thus damaging the reputation.

I don't agree with that but I don't have to. I'm not part of the league. I don't get to decide what they believe does and doesn't tarnish the league.


The moment his name was brought up in a negative situation the league decided right then and there that he was going to be punished for it. The only matter was how long they were going to punish him for.

As what I heard he was going to get punished for DV regardless. The NFL doesn't care whether his innocent or guilty. They just want to make an example of him. But I don't think its over. This will go to court. It will drag thru the mud and will be a center of controversy as it gets more press coverage.

 

[jwitten82]

Fuzzylumkins Greg hardy and abuse on women enough said

Lol this is funny. I dont watch football to watch a bunch of angels, I watch to see my team win a game. One thing I never understood is why people were more outraged at Hardy then the lady herself? Even if she did take money, no proof she did, why are you more upset about then her. Honestly as long as no child molesters or rapists are on the team, then let them play. I wish Hardy would be re-signed

 

[Bleedblue1111]

Let me try and show you how this played out as easy as I could.

Guy meets girl both have feelings for one another. Both young and stupid, both haven't been through many relationships so there is an attachment there.
Guy and girl start to argue. Sometimes the guy can get a little rough especially when the girl runs her mouth. Sometimes things get even more out of hand when drugs and alcohol are involved. Sometimes it gets ugly.
Girl has strong feelings for guy even if being a little physically abused and can look past it especially when so young. Especially if they are still together. Girl puts it off.
It happens again the next day and girl starts thinking guy might not stay with her. Girl starts taking pictures but still holds out hope guy will stay with her.
Guy has bright future and girl does love him and would love the easy life. Girl puts it on the back burner but starts to record instances in case guy leaves girl would like some $$.
Guy gets back to hanging out with his buddies and on his birthday he brushes of his girl for his buddies. Girl starts getting crazy due to rejection and sees that guy isn't going to be in her long term future.
Girl calls cops asks girlfriend to lie for her saying that he abused her because she has been abused prior figures its not really a lie.
Now girl has one lie on her record and now cowboys zone supporters don't believe anything girl says about guy but after a year investigation the NFL believes a lot more about what girl says than what guy says and for NFL to suspend guy for 6 games there must be some type of evidence that girl has provided.
The End

A fiction novel is the evidence the NFL is using against Zeke? Smh.

 

[Zekeats]

Lol this is funny. I dont watch football to watch a bunch of angels, I watch to see my team win a game. One thing I never understood is why people were more outraged at Hardy then the lady herself? Even if she did take money, no proof she did, why are you more upset about then her. Honestly as long as no child molesters or rapists are on the team, then let them play. I wish Hardy would be re-signed

Unreal. Im sure Witten would be proud.