The Jared Gaither Thread **Merged**

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy, you're going round in circles and grabbing at straws. Only a few posts agao you were saying how Doug Free performed better at the combine. Then you said that gaither had lots of sacks and penalties, which he didn't. NOW you're trying to say Ozzie Newsome doesnt rate him. Look you dont like the player, great, but stop making stuff up.

Free had numbers at the combine that were virtually identical to Gaither actually. Free had one of the best combines in 2007 for an offensive lineman.

As for penalties and sacks, I am going from quite a few posters over at the ravens official boards and from ravens24x7. Your sack numbers are obviously wrong simply from dallasfaniacs point. you cant just count the sacks of Allen for example to know how many he gave up that game. As for the penalties, I have to again wonder because other sources have different numbers.

Are you really trying to argue that Newsome is trying to get rid of him?

 

[CATCH17]

My only problem getting Gaither is, the dreaded double dip. You have to trade a first round pick #27 and then you have to pay him top 10 money. I think Gaither will command a contract similar to Jason Peters 6 year $60M. The Eagirls gave up and 1st (#28) and a fourth, plus the contract. I think Peters is one of the best Left Tackles in football. Because Gaither is younger, I think he is going to demand similar money.

There is one other concern with Gaither. His attitude. Will he get lazy when he gets the money. Some think he is already lazy. We have one 'problem child' on the team with Marty B the Martian. Do we need another? I think Gaither is solid. Has the potential to be very very good. He will only get there through dedication. Will he dedicate himself to the game. The 27th pick is really a glorified high 2nd round pick in my mind. To get this bookend for the pick is solid if he is the 'GUY' and not Just a Guy. I have not seen enough of him to gather.

For all the people wondering why the Ravens are willing to move him, again, see Buffalo - they moved the best tackle in football. Also, see the Seahawks a few years ago, they allowed (thru the poison pill) Hutchinson to leave. They gave him a first round tender and Minn picked him up. I'm not saying Gaither is either of the two, but occasionally, very good players make their way onto the street. Gaither is very young, so this is very much like projecting a draft pick. He has as much upside as anyone in the draft. With three years under his belt, he is younger than T Newman when we drafted him. Add to that - that he can play at a high level for another 10+ years, I can see why so many like him.

I'm torn as I've not watched him play enough to get a read. I do hope that the staff is evaluating him, as he is certainly worthy of being evaluated.

I agree with everything you said except for the Jason Peters being great stuff.

He has shown he can be good but I think he has disapointed the last 2 seasons. Especially this past year in Philly.

From everyone i've seen Ryan Clady is far and away the best Offensive Tackle in the league.

 

[dallasfaniac]

My only problem getting Gaither is, the dreaded double dip. You have to trade a first round pick #27 and then you have to pay him top 10 money. I think Gaither will command a contract similar to Jason Peters 6 year $60M. The Eagirls gave up and 1st (#28) and a fourth, plus the contract. I think Peters is one of the best Left Tackles in football. Because Gaither is younger, I think he is going to demand similar money.

There is one other concern with Gaither. His attitude. Will he get lazy when he gets the money. Some think he is already lazy. We have one 'problem child' on the team with Marty B the Martian. Do we need another? I think Gaither is solid. Has the potential to be very very good. He will only get there through dedication. Will he dedicate himself to the game. The 27th pick is really a glorified high 2nd round pick in my mind. To get this bookend for the pick is solid if he is the 'GUY' and not Just a Guy. I have not seen enough of him to gather.

For all the people wondering why the Ravens are willing to move him, again, see Buffalo - they moved the best tackle in football. Also, see the Seahawks a few years ago, they allowed (thru the poison pill) Hutchinson to leave. They gave him a first round tender and Minn picked him up. I'm not saying Gaither is either of the two, but occasionally, very good players make their way onto the street. Gaither is very young, so this is very much like projecting a draft pick. He has as much upside as anyone in the draft. With three years under his belt, he is younger than T Newman when we drafted him. Add to that - that he can play at a high level for another 10+ years, I can see why so many like him.

I'm torn as I've not watched him play enough to get a read. I do hope that the staff is evaluating him, as he is certainly worthy of being evaluated.

I think this is the most level-headed post I've read since I proof read my last one. I am leaning toward the side of bringing him in, but I was on the fence to begin with. I think he would be a great pickup for him but a 1st and a HUGE contract would sour me a bit. If he can be had for a lesser pick or just a friendlier contract I would be all for it.

 

[Dough Boy]

Free had numbers at the combine that were virtually identical to Gaither actually. Free had one of the best combines in 2007 for an offensive lineman.

As for penalties and sacks, I am going from quite a few posters over at the ravens official boards and from ravens24x7. Your sack numbers are obviously wrong simply from dallasfaniacs point. you cant just count the sacks of Allen for example to know how many he gave up that game. As for the penalties, I have to again wonder because other sources have different numbers.

Are you really trying to argue that Newsome is trying to get rid of him?

I'm high on Dough Free, but we must all admit that Gaither progressed faster. This was a make or break year for Free. Last year he fell off, this year he roared back.

Gaither took over for Ogden and did a nice job. It only took Gaitehr a year to get up to speed. Free, three years. I like Free. I think he can play right or left. Gaither only left. If you could pair Free and Gaither together - nice pair of bookends for the next 10 years if Gaither is "the guy".

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

lol, in fact i'm done on this thread now. I have my opinion and they have theirs. I can see he has talent. They cant.

Actually I have yet to see anyone in here, forgive me if I have missed it, who says they don't think he has talent or that he is a bust. That is over reaching in your post.

Perhaps some in here just don't think he has as much talent as others do.

Perhaps some don't like the idea of possibly giving up a first round pick for someone with questionable work ethics because they don't think the work ethic will improve after getting a big check...if anything they think it might get worse after he gets paid guaranteed big bucks.

Perhaps they would rather take a shot at D.Free being the next starting LT and think he is as good or better at a cheaper rate (ala Canty vs olshansky).

Perhaps some people would rather see what we can get in the draft and build through the draft instead of spending big money on FA Linemen time and time again.

Perhaps some people have seen how we have fared when we have traded away 1st round picks for players the last couple of times and feel that neither situation has panned out for us and don't want to dip into those waters again.

So again...just because some don't agree with the rah rah get gaither now crowd it does not mean we do not think he is talented or that he is a bust.

 

[casmith07]

Not really. They have Oher locked up for 4 more years. They just drafted him last year and in the second half of the first so his contract is a good one. They drafted him because they had a HUGE need at OT. Trading Gaither only puts them back to where they were last year.

If Gaither is so good then that would be taking a step back to put them in the same spot they were in in 2009 or even worse talent wise.

...because he isn't that good?

 

[CATCH17]

I think this is the most level-headed post I've read since I proof read my last one. I am leaning toward the side of bringing him in, but I was on the fence to begin with. I think he would be a great pickup for him but a 1st and a HUGE contract would sour me a bit. If he can be had for a lesser pick or just a friendlier contract I would be all for it.

The thing is that position is a lot like Quarterback in terms of the amount of money you have to pay or what you would be willing to give up for a bigtime young prospect.

You rarely see bargains at that position.

 

[Dough Boy]

I agree with everything you said except for the Jason Peters being great stuff.

He has shown he can be good but I think he has disapointed the last 2 seasons. Especially this past year in Philly.

From everyone i've seen Ryan Clady is far and away the best Offensive Tackle in the league.

I'm just going by most in the NFL think Peters is very good. Not going to argue Clady as I think he is a real good player on the rise. If you are counting the top tackles in the leauge, you don't get to far down the list without bringing Peters in the conversation.

 

[CATCH17]

Actually I have yet to see anyone in here, forgive me if I have missed it, who says they don't think he has talent or that he is a bust. That is over reaching in your post.

Perhaps some in here just don't think he has as much talent as others do.

Perhaps some don't like the idea of possibly giving up a first round pick for someone with questionable work ethics because they don't think the work ethic will improve after getting a big check...if anything they think it might get worse after he gets paid guaranteed big bucks.

Perhaps they would rather take a shot at D.Free being the next starting LT and think he is as good or better at a cheaper rate (ala Canty vs olshansky).

Perhaps some people would rather see what we can get in the draft and build through the draft instead of spending big money on FA Linemen time and time again.

Perhaps some people have seen how we have fared when we have traded away 1st round picks for players the last couple of times and feel that neither situation has panned out for us and don't want to dip into those waters again.

So again...just because some don't agree with the rah rah get gaither now crowd it does not mean we do not think he is talented or that he is a bust.

ca thinks hes no good.

 

[CATCH17]

I'm just going by most in the NFL think Peters is very good. Not going to argue Clady as I think he is a real good player on the rise. If you are counting the top tackles in the leauge, you don't get to far down the list without bringing Peters in the conversation.

Yeah as far as talent Peters is right up there. Buffalo went the route that we may have to start looking at with Martellus and just bulk him up and move him to Left Tackle.


I don't know if you guys knew that or not but Peters came into the league as a TE.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

ca thinks hes no good.

Should I cry now?:laugh2:

 

[iceberg]

lol, in fact i'm done on this thread now. I have my opinion and they have theirs. I can see he has talent. They cant.

is it black?

or is it white?

10 millions shades of gray wanna know why some people only focus on the 2.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

is it black?

or is it white?

10 millions shades of gray wanna know why some people only focus on the 2.

trouble maker.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Can Jared Gaither play at a high level in the NFL...? If you say no and think we are going to find a Left Tackle in this draft or Doug Free is a better prospect than Gaither then thats fine.. By all means believe that.

As far as talent and what he has already shown he can do on the NFL field combined with his age and us being able to dump Flos contract makes it a no brainer in my opinion.

Does Jared Gaither have an injury history dating back to his days in college? Does Jared Gaither have a long history of questionable work ethic dating back to his days in college? Do those two issues go hand in hand? Is it a good idea to simply hand people with questionable work ethic huge contracts?

I am not denying that Gaither is a good tackle. I by no means believe he is as good as he could be. I also believe that Doug Free has all the tools and better intangibles than Gaither does and should be just as good if not better and not miss nearly as much time. Yes, I will continue to believe that.

I would rather keep Flo one more year and the draft pick. In my mind if you make this trade then you have given up on Free at left tackle. I am not ready to do that for Gaither.

 

[Dough Boy]

Yeah as far as talent Peters is right up there. Buffalo went the route that we may have to start looking at with Martellus and just bulk him up and move him to Left Tackle.


I don't know if you guys knew that or not but Peters came into the league as a TE.

Played TE at Arkansas. Was a 300 lb JR and came out early. Didn't get drafted. Buffalo signed him as an Undrafted Free Agent. Cut him. Sigend him to the practice squad and converted him to TE. That is dedication on his part. Kid gets all the props in my mind. That's not an easy change.

 

[CATCH17]

Does Jared Gaither have an injury history dating back to his days in college? Does Jared Gaither have a long history of questionable work ethic dating back to his days in college? Do those two issues go hand in hand? Is it a good idea to simply hand people with questionable work ethic huge contracts?

I am not denying that Gaither is a good tackle. I by no means believe he is as good as he could be. I also believe that Doug Free has all the tools and better intangibles than Gaither does and should be just as good if not better and not miss nearly as much time. Yes, I will continue to believe that.

I would rather keep Flo one more year and the draft pick. In my mind if you make this trade then you have given up on Free at left tackle. I am not ready to do that for Gaither.

I can respect all that but keeping Flo 1 more year is bad long term. Dumping Flo and Hamlins contract has to be done this offseason.

But if we don't get a Left Tackle prospect then we are forced to keep Flo because no way on earth should we let our season and QB's health ride on Doug Free without evidence that he can play LT at a high level like Gaither has already shown he can.

 

[unionjack8]

Free had numbers at the combine that were virtually identical to Gaither actually. Free had one of the best combines in 2007 for an offensive lineman.

As for penalties and sacks, I am going from quite a few posters over at the ravens official boards and from ravens24x7. Your sack numbers are obviously wrong simply from dallasfaniacs point. you cant just count the sacks of Allen for example to know how many he gave up that game. As for the penalties, I have to again wonder because other sources have different numbers.

Are you really trying to argue that Newsome is trying to get rid of him?

Are we trying to get rid of Miles Austin? Same situation.
I NEVER quoted anything about SACK numbers, you did.
If ytou dont want to trust NFL.COM then go skew your numbers at will mate.

 

[casmith07]

Does Jared Gaither have an injury history dating back to his days in college? Does Jared Gaither have a long history of questionable work ethic dating back to his days in college? Do those two issues go hand in hand? Is it a good idea to simply hand people with questionable work ethic huge contracts?

I am not denying that Gaither is a good tackle. I by no means believe he is as good as he could be. I also believe that Doug Free has all the tools and better intangibles than Gaither does and should be just as good if not better and not miss nearly as much time. Yes, I will continue to believe that.

I would rather keep Flo one more year and the draft pick. In my mind if you make this trade then you have given up on Free at left tackle. I am not ready to do that for Gaither.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I can respect all that but keeping Flo 1 more year is bad long term. Dumping Flo and Hamlins contract has to be done this offseason.

But if we don't get a Left Tackle prospect then we are forced to keep Flo because no way on earth should we let our season and QB's health ride on Doug Free without evidence that he can play LT at a high level like Gaither has already shown he can.

Why? You let Adams and Free battle it out in TC and the best man win. Loser is the backup. If he beats out Columbo then thats fine too. AND you get the draft pick.

If you sign Gaither to a contract like that then you are giving him that spot and giving up on Free. Free made mental mistakes last year I do not recall him ever being physically overmatched even by Allen. He missed an assignment on Allen but Allen didn't beat him straight up.

 

[casmith07]

Should I cry now?:laugh2:

tears of joy :laugh2: