The Kellen Moore Curl offense

[Whyjerry]

Not at all but sounds just as stupid as you thinking I know what your talking about without you saying it

Look at you. Why are you so wound up? Try unclenching a bit.

 

[Loso86]

Look at you. Why are you so wound up? Try unclenching a bit.

Not at all sir, just reflecting the same energy given

 

[atlantacowboy]

This isn't a Dak excuse thread. Don't come in here trying to defend Kellen Moore by just blaming Dak. This offense sucks and is a problem.





Outside the numbers was open ALL game. Kellen didn't ADJUST at all.

Outside the numbers is where he threw those INTs. CBs were baiting him into those throws.

Have you considered that Kelen has had to adapt the offense to the talent level of his QB ?

 

[xwalker]

Not blaming Dak completely, but just answer what does that game look like without those 2 picks?

The picks were ultimately the fault of the offensive coaches. Not saying Dak was blameless, but...

The pass to Gallup is something they did all season. When Gallup is the target of on sideline routes, the pass is always high. The concept is that a high pass at the sideline will either be caught by Gallup or go out of bounds. i.e. Throwing high is intended to eliminate CBs from easily under-cutting Gallup.

Doing it all season means it is how they are coaching it. The CB really went up high to get the ball.

On the pass to CeeDee, Curt Warner went into extensive detail about the problem with that route. Yes, it is on Dak for not throwing it away, but the root cause was the details of the route. The route as CeeDee ran it against that coverage was doomed to fail.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Did it look amazing? Or was Tampa trash?

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Post of the day!!!

 

[Coogiguy03]

Zeke was WIDE open swinging out of the backfield for a nice gain and a 1 on 1 shot at breaking a tackle. Maybe that is where the play should have gone?

By the time he got his legs moving EVERYONE deep in the secondary would be up to stop him for a yard gain

 

[nightrain]

By the time he got his legs moving EVERYONE deep in the secondary would be up to stop him for a yard gain

net of +1.........yea baby!

 

[Coogiguy03]

I don't see how anyone can say those curls are open when they are literally playing a defense that takes those curls away. It's easy to pin it all on Dak but this team has ran the same unimaginative offense since Romo and people still want to think all we have to do is go get a QB. No the OC sucks too. You guys want to harp that Dak sucks and I agree but so does the OC because he doesn't seem to know Dak sucks and runs a offense that makes Dak the focal point.

I agree with the first few lines, the d is WAITING for the curl routes to come. I guess they obviously watched game film on us. It needs to be changed ASAP

 

[cowboys5xsbs]

I don't even know if Moore sucks or if he is just too young and too inconsistent. The biggest problem we had was thinking Moore could come in and instantly be an elite oc with no growing pains. I think Moore will probably be a good OC eventually but he is still very raw.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

Did Kellen Moore really run the same offense and call the same plays that he called last year in the playoffs against the 49ers? Kellen Moore has to go, if the Cowboys has no choice but to stick with Dak for the next 2 years, then they need to look for a new OC to work with him and can't go into the 2023 season with Kellen Moore.

 

[phildadon86]

I don't even know if Moore sucks or if he is just too young and too inconsistent. The biggest problem we had was thinking Moore could come in and instantly be an elite oc with no growing pains. I think Moore will probably be a good OC eventually but he is still very raw.

His situational playcalling and inability to put 2 great gameplans together in the playoffs is scary.

 

[NotForLong]

I've said for years that it seems as if 80%+ of our passes are caught with our backs to the defenders....ZERO imagination...HOWEVER, when you have a QB who finds it almost impossible to hit a WR in stride, what do you expect the calls to be. EVERYTHING has to be made DAK PROOF....one more reason to move on. In the meantime, go get Derek Carr. Problem solved.

Uggg do u know why they ran curls? Because you don't have to try to lead the receivers. The curl is difficult to stop and EASY for a QB toy complete.
Daks throws we're off target all day, you cannot run a 3yd drag to CeeDee if ,you need 10 yds. LOL trust me curls are not KMs route of choice for 10 yds. But it's all he had.

If you understand offense at all you see the tweaks KM has made to give Dak a chance. Everytime Daks under even mild pressure he chokes. There is NO EXCUSE for throwing that many picks, no to mention all of the off target throws. 2 years this guy has kept us from advancing in the playoffs because he CANNOT defeat a tough defense.

EXPERIMENT OVER.

But doesnt that suit Dak's game? Isnt that what he's comfortable doing? It's great hypothesising saying he should of thrown for 15/20yards, but is he capable.? He's best when he hits those short yardage gimme yards (mainly to Schultz).

You can can only scheme for what you've got.....he's hardly scheming for Mahomes.

There you go . . . Perfectly explained . . . Close the thread

 

[blueblood70]

What does the game look like with no Pollard injury and Diggs learning how to catch a ball?

and Schultz steps out of bounds and not Stepping out of bounds on the same drive , a critical last drive 2 big mistakes lol gallup not being shoved off of his route and make zero effort on that INT he simply watched it happen..how about using more then 16 runs and malik davis in the 2nd half. etc. it was total offensive meltdown and needs to be fixed because the best DL/Defenses that can play 4-5 man lines no blitzing to play our one-dimensional offense in which the OL was not great at all gets manhandled.. pretty bad all game.. all this its ONLY or Mostly daks fault is nonsense

stafford threw 2 ints in the SB, they still won. brady 3 Ints in the nfccg , they still won. allen nearly has 4 Tos in a playoff game, they won, trevor 4 ints in a half, they still won. its funny how the team concept gets shoved off debates when its the hate narratives towards a certain payer needs to steamroll.

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

You guys want to harp that Dak sucks and I agree but so does the OC because he doesn't seem to know Dak sucks and runs a offense that makes Dak the focal point.

The OC is limited in what he can run because Dak sucks. The three yards and a cloud of dust days are long gone, QB's are the focal point of all successful offenses now, it's the way the game is played. Without a consistently good QB, you're toast.

 

[Loso86]

The picks were ultimately the fault of the offensive coaches. Not saying Dak was blameless, but...

The pass to Gallup is something they did all season. When Gallup is the target of on sideline routes, the pass is always high. The concept is that a high pass at the sideline will either be caught by Gallup or go out of bounds. i.e. Throwing high is intended to eliminate CBs from easily under-cutting Gallup.

Doing it all season means it is how they are coaching it. The CB really went up high to get the ball.

On the pass to CeeDee, Curt Warner went into extensive detail about the problem with that route. Yes, it is on Dak for not throwing it away, but the root cause was the details of the route. The route as CeeDee ran it against that coverage was doomed to fail.

Lmao just cannot blame Dak huh!?!. He is SLOW to in his progressions especially in zone and HE meaning Dak the guy throwing it could have run it or threw it away he didn't so 1st drive pick. Gallup was like 3rd in progression. He did the EXACT same Int on the other side against Washington. The second 1, Dak didn't read coverage good. Even the 3rd down play late where he threw to a covered Lamb, saw Hilton WIDE open on a high post down the middle of the field. Dak either rushes a progression pass or is too slow

 

[Bigrandrn]

All I know is Dak can’t throw out routes…..he’s always slow on them and they either get picked or almost picked. He had a few pick 6s and another pic against SF because of late out throws. Year 7 and he still cant get those timed right…..Jesus.

 

[xwalker]

Lmao just cannot blame Dak huh!?!. He is SLOW to in his progressions especially in zone and HE meaning Dak the guy throwing it could have run it or threw it away he didn't so 1st drive pick. Gallup was like 3rd in progression. He did the EXACT same Int on the other side against Washington. The second 1, Dak didn't read coverage good. Even the 3rd down play late where he threw to a covered Lamb, saw Hilton WIDE open on a high post down the middle of the field. Dak either rushes a progression pass or is too slow

That's the simpleton explanation.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Yes it did.

Now. Lets be honest with each other. Have you seen this offense every stick to whats working? Ever? Kellen like his predecessors always, ALWAYS changes whats working. Remember when Pollard lit up the Bears?

Didn't Dak come out the next week and throw like 40 times? Its insanity. Moore is arrogant. And wants to show off. Run schemes dont do that. Its not flashy. Whether he is getting that call from Jerry's office or not I dont know. But lets not forget. Jerry did say when Garrett was still around these parts that if Kellen felt he was being controlled or told what to do. To go directly to Jerry. So in my mind. I can see Kellen getting upset at MM for telling him to run the ball and Jerry all hammered saying. "Well lets sling it next week".

Go back to 2016. Zeke ran all over GB earlier in the year. Destroyed them. Dak had an ok game, nothing crazy. What do we come out doing in the playoffs? Throwing. Why? This coaching staff loves to get cute at the worst times. You have a proven method of success. Why deviate?

If I changed how I did my job to my own detriment I would be fired. I am in a results oriented business. Like most football teams are. Not ours. Ours is a money results business.

This entire team from the Owner on down to the waterboy is dysfunctional. Its sickening. You can put Burrow, Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers into the starting QB position here. Nothing will change. Because our owner/gm/president wants to be the face of the franchise!

/rant

So your explanation is to stick with whats working every single week no matter the strengths of the other team?

San Fran was #1 against the run this year. Nobody ran the ball well against them. Where you could have some success against them is through the air as their secondary isnt very good.
Dak was unable to beat them through the air.

 

[phildadon86]

So your explanation is to stick with whats working every single week no matter the strengths of the other team?

San Fran was #1 against the run this year. Nobody ran the ball well against them. Where you could have some success against them is through the air as their secondary isnt very good.
Dak was unable to beat them through the air.

Not what I am saying at all. What I am saying is. Come up with some CREATIVE ways to attack the zone. First game-tape they should have watched was the Christmas Eve game. It looks like they watched the Denver game from last season. And it doesnt matter if they are number 1 against the run. You cant abandon the run down 7. Period.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Not what I am saying at all. What I am saying is. Come up with some CREATIVE ways to attack the zone. First game-tape they should have watched was the Christmas Eve game. It looks like they watched the Denver game from last season. And it doesnt matter if they are number 1 against the run. You cant abandon the run down 7. Period.

You are simplifying it way too much

Did you see Zeke out there?