The Moxie

[WPBCowboysFan]

So yet again you're rooting for a Cowboy to fail.

I havent seen that posted here by anybody

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Really? I've got a Ph.D. in the field and teach statistics at both the undergraduate and graduate level. Publish extensively in the field as well.

You son, need a stats course - or you need to go back and revisit what you thought you learned.

Then you should know that just by chance alone it isn't put of the realm of possibility to have no left handed starters in the NFL.

 

[KJJ]

So yet again you're rooting for a Cowboy to fail.

That's your spin it's all part of your tiring agenda. lol Moore is going to have a tough time securing the backup job he couldn't even beat a Bills team that's out of the playoffs and playing with a young QB. Most question whether he can even make a solid backup QB and you're touting him as the future starting QB of the Cowboys. LOL

 

[AbeBeta]

Then you should know that just by chance alone it isn't put of the realm of possibility to have no left handed starters in the NFL.

As I noted, in ANY one season, yes. But it is about a 3% chance. Over multiple years the probability drops substantially. And as I noted, your argument suggests it wouldn't be surprising to see SIX or more left handed starters. All this rests in the assumption that no other forces (E.g., those cited in my first lost) are at work.

If this is the random process you suggest, Wed see SIX as often as zero. You don't have to understand statistics to relize six happens far far less than zero.

 

[KJJ]

Really? I've got a Ph.D. in the field and teach statistics at both the undergraduate and graduate level. Publish extensively in the field as well.

You son, need a stats course - or you need to go back and revisit what you thought you learned.

Someone tells you that you need to take a course in statistics and you fire back that you have a Ph.D in the field and you expect everyone to believe that?

 

[AbeBeta]

Someone tells you that you need to take a course in statistics and you fire back that you have a Ph.D in the field and you expect everyone to believe that?

Someone pops off with that and you just take his weak argument as fact. True failure of our educational system.

Call me a liar if you want. But I'll trash his weak stats interpretation any day of the week.

 

[Staubacher]

Unfortunately the Moxie comes with the Sucksie

 

[Derinyar]

As I noted, in ANY one season, yes. But it is about a 3% chance. Over multiple years the probability drops substantially. And as I noted, your argument suggests it wouldn't be surprising to see SIX or more left handed starters. All this rests in the assumption that no other forces (E.g., those cited in my first lost) are at work.

If this is the random process you suggest, Wed see SIX as often as zero. You don't have to understand statistics to relize six happens far far less than zero.

In any non purely mathematical construct there's always outside forces. I suspect that the way play books are designed does have something to do with it. I'd also imagine that, by looking at baseball, the arm talent for righties seems to be better over all then leftys and I'd imagine that carries through to football as well.

 

[KJJ]

Someone pops off with that and you just take his weak argument as fact. True failure of our educational system.

Call me a liar if you want. But I'll trash his weak stats interpretation any day of the week.

I wouldn't take anything he says as fact this is a guy who called Sean Lee a progress stopper two summers ago.

 

[AbeBeta]

In any non purely mathematical construct there's always outside forces. I suspect that the way play books are designed does have something to do with it. I'd also imagine that, by looking at baseball, the arm talent for righties seems to be better over all then leftys and I'd imagine that carries through to football as well.

Sure but the argument made by the person I responded to suggested a random process without outside forces I argued for earlier.

Also, baseball is a terrible comparison as lefties are strongly over represented there. This suggests better arm talent as in baseball.

 

[cml750]

As I noted, in ANY one season, yes. But it is about a 3% chance. Over multiple years the probability drops substantially. And as I noted, your argument suggests it wouldn't be surprising to see SIX or more left handed starters. All this rests in the assumption that no other forces (E.g., those cited in my first lost) are at work.

If this is the random process you suggest, Wed see SIX as often as zero. You don't have to understand statistics to relize six happens far far less than zero.

I think all the left-handers with a strong arm gravitate to baseball where good left handed pitchers are coveted. It probably skews the statistics at least a little bit.

 

[AbeBeta]

I wouldn't take anything he says as fact this is a guy who called Sean Lee a progress stopper 2 summers ago.

Huh? I don't recall calling Lee a progress stopper. I know I did feel we might need to look to move on after yet another season ending injury.

 

[AbeBeta]

I think all the left-handers with a strong arm gravitate to baseball where good left handed pitchers are coveted. It probably skews the statistics at least a little bit.

But again, argument was zero would be unsurprising - by that same logic, six would be unsurprising. Heck, three would be expected as the most common outcome. When's the last time we had three lefty #1s?

 

[joseephuss]

I'll go on record as saying I am rooting for Moore to fail. Normally I wouldn't root against a Cowboy even if I don't like the player. And I do like Moore. I appreciate what he accomplished in college and his desire at the position. I just don't like his fanboys. Especially the one who had a sig pic cheering the Romo injury, so in response I root for Moore to fail. Actually, it really isn't rooting. It is just expectations. I never expected him to do anything in the NFL while he was in college or Detroit. He has done nothing to change my mind.

 

[KJJ]

Huh? I don't recall calling Lee a progress stopper. I know I did feel we might need to look to move on after yet another season ending injury.

No, l'm talking about AmberBeer he called Sean Lee a progress stopper.

 

[Derinyar]

Sure but the argument made by the person I responded to suggested a random process without outside forces I argued for earlier.

Also, baseball is a terrible comparison as lefties are strongly over represented there. This suggests better arm talent as in baseball.

You don't know baseball then. LHP are over represented because of platoon advantage. Many of the best hitters tend to be lefty's and just having a LHP on the mound provides some bonus. It might be changing some now, but historically LHP tend to throw slower then RHP. In football, a sport I'd imagine has nothing like platoon a lefty might be selected against because they might not tend to have the same arm talent as well a playbook issue.

 

[Alexander]

Well. At least today put an end to the Moore hysteria. Is Showers next?

 

[SultanOfSix]

It's kind of hard to judge Moore in the rain with an intrinsically handicapped offensive scheme with a coaching staff not providing opportunities conducive to winning in a season where almost everyone wants a higher draft pick.

 

[AbeBeta]

You don't know baseball then. LHP are over represented because of platoon advantage. Many of the best hitters tend to be lefty's and just having a LHP on the mound provides some bonus. It might be changing some now, but historically LHP tend to throw slower then RHP. In football, a sport I'd imagine has nothing like platoon a lefty might be selected against because they might not tend to have the same arm talent as well a playbook issue.

You've do get some lefties who throw junk - but suggesting that means lefties have worse arm talent is ridiculous. You have a strong over representation of lefties so you get more with worse arms. All that means is it takes less arm talent for lefties to make it in MLB. If you took the top 10%, you'd likely find talent as good as the top 10% of righties

 

[Zman5]

One below average looking girl will always look great standing next to 2 really ugly girls.