The proof is in the pudding VT was better than Bledsoe

[superpunk]

How so? We rushed for more overall yards this year then last. We enjoyed better time of possesion this year over last, we played better defense. The win loss is the same for both years but the overall talent level of the 04 Cowboys team is much worse then the 05 team.

A quick answer to your question would be that you don't know what your saying here.

You're right. I have no idea what I'm talking about. Coming from the guy who claims the win-loss for the Cowboys was the same in 04 and 05.

 

[superpunk]

Yeah they do. Parcells even stated that Bledsoe was the only new element, and the problem never occured until he was under center. When you have a QB fumbling snaps from two different Centers, it's pretty obvious who's "dropping the ball", literally.

New element or not, BP never pinned it on anyone. Maybe the Centers, and I question that it happened equally with both of them, I think it was mostly Johnson, aren't getting the ball where it needed to be. Noone knows, but it was fixed.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Good points and that is exactly why I don't think last years schedule was more difficult than this seasons. If anything it is a draw. My tie breaker would be that division was tougher this year compared to last year. Two teams made the playoffs from the east.

But we were in the hunt right up to the very last game. The year before, we were all out of it by week 10. This, to me, would suggest that we improved but the schedule was basically the same. Winning percentages are identical on schedule played. If we were worse and the winning percentage was equal, by default, the schedule would have had to be more difficult the prior year.

 

[kojak]

We're not worthy!!
We're not worthy!!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You're right. I have no idea what I'm talking about. Coming from the guy who claims the win-loss for the Cowboys was the same in 04 and 05.

Opposing schedules there guy. You would have thought that the whole 107 wins vs the 101 losses would be a dead give away. I see the barrier here is greater then just one of language. Never mind, sorry to have gotten into this with you.

 

[Zaxor]

But he didn't lose them. I'd take those 7 extra TDs having to sacrifice one more TO any day of the week. Don't forget in your Bledsoe hatred the QB-Center exchange problems had in the beginning of the year. NOONE knows what was going on there.

Again I do not hate Bledsoe... but again VT did not have the weapons around him that Bledsoe did and that QB center exchange was Bledsoe's fault according to Bill

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

How about a HOF coach BP, who I assume knows more about NFL QB talent then any of us Zoners, cutting Vinny and signing Bledsoe to lead our Cowboys in 05.

Will that work?

If you listen to what BP says about Vinnie in 04, I don't believe he cut him because of performance. I believe he cut him because he didn't believe a 42 year old QB could sustain another 16 game schedule. I just don't think it's performance guys.

 

[Chuck 54]

While responding to a post to mickgreen58

I came across some stats:


Bledsoe had 17 fumbles, 17 interceptions and 49 sacks this year in 499 attempts... Vinny T had 8 fumbles, 20 interceptions and 34 sacks last year in 495 attempts think about that for just a moment and not let it just pass in one ear and out the other folks plus the running game for most of the season sucked for Testy because Jones was hurt

also VT had 60.0% completion rate Bledsoe had 60.1%
VT threw for 3532 yards without Terry Glenn for the most part Bledsoe threw 3639

average per pass completion VT 7.14 Bledsoe 7.29

they are the same guy...it is freaky...they are so close the only differerance would be that Bledsoe threw a few more TD's 23 for Bledsoe to 17 for VT but bledsoe had lot more negative plays....

Vinny did more with less...no TG-no JJ and for the most part an attrocious o-line

1. Vinnie had a much better running game behind him last year....fact.
2. Bledsoe has a serious fumbling problem, losing more fumbles than anyone in the NFL this year...that must be addressed and some technical changes made.
3. Bledsoe had a much better defense behind him...the team records should not be used in any comparisons, imo.

Bledsoe is a much better QB; however, we'll never get to the SB with him because of his lack of mobility and fumblitis. He's the best we have now...so is Parcells...but we won't get to the SB again until after they are both gone.

 

[joseephuss]

But we were in the hunt right up to the very last game. The year before, we were all out of it by week 10. This, to me, would suggest that we improved but the schedule was basically the same. Winning percentages are identical on schedule played. If we were worse and the winning percentage was equal, by default, the schedule would have had to be more difficult the prior year.

If Dallas goes 9-7 last season, then the opposing records would be 104-104. (Check my math, I could be wrong). That would mean that Dallas would have had an easier schedule.

Dallas played 6 games against playoff teams in 2004 and 7 in 2005. Slight edge to 2005 being the more difficult schedule.

 

[superpunk]

Opposing schedules there guy. You would have thought that the whole 107 wins vs the 101 losses would be a dead give away. I see the barrier here is greater then just one of language. Never mind, sorry to have gotten into this with you.

"The win loss is the same for both years but the overall talent level of the 04 Cowboys team is much worse then the 05 team."

That's what you said. Guess I should just be a mind reader, because your writing skills sure don't get your brain's point across.

 

[Zaxor]

Opposing schedules there guy. You would have thought that the whole 107 wins vs the 101 losses would be a dead give away. I see the barrier here is greater then just one of language. Never mind, sorry to have gotten into this with you.

a problem with a lot of these posters (not excluding or including anybody specific) is if they can't argue there side well... they become very abrasive and then you see a lot of these or these :bang2: but little in substance... I am about finished playing with them today though its 22:00 hours and about time for a shower and bed...

 

[demdcowboys#1]

1 word to respond to this absurd statement of Vinny being better than Bledsoe...........................no

 

[Kilyin]

If you strickly look at the records of teams played in 04 vs 05, the win/loss of our schedule in 04 was 107W/101L. In 05 it was 107W/101L.

That's what he posted, I thought it was pretty clear.

 

[joseephuss]

If you listen to what BP says about Vinnie in 04, I don't believe he cut him because of performance. I believe he cut him because he didn't believe a 42 year old QB could sustain another 16 game schedule. I just don't think it's performance guys.

Do you think Parcells is going to hang Vinny out to dry? He liked Vinny and likes Drew. He isn't going to say that Dallas lost because the QB sucks. He didn't even do that when they released Quincy.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

1. Vinnie had a much better running game behind him last year....fact.
2. Bledsoe has a serious fumbling problem, losing more fumbles than anyone in the NFL this year...that must be addressed and some technical changes made.
3. Bledsoe had a much better defense behind him...the team records should not be used in any comparisons, imo.

Bledsoe is a much better QB; however, we'll never get to the SB with him because of his lack of mobility and fumblitis. He's the best we have now...so is Parcells...but we won't get to the SB again until after they are both gone.

What do you base your statement on the running game on?

 

[mally]

You got his number ? I will make that call.

Call Bill Parcells and tell him you think that Vinny is a better QB, or just as good, for the Cowboys than Bledsoe because he had similiar stats last year in comparison to Bledsoe's this year. You just might give him a stroke and then he won't have to make a decision about coming back.

 

[kojak]

a problem with a lot of these posters (not excluding or including anybody specific) is if they can't argue there side well... they become very abrasive and then you see a lot of these or these :bang2: but little in substance... I am about finishing playing with them today though its 22:00 hours and about time for a shower and bed...

Well I have concluded that your right and everyone else is wrong. I looked at the stats and WOW I am impressed!! That's why I want Vinny back next year so we can go to the superbowl. Please get er done Jerruh!! ray2:

 

[superpunk]

Again I do not hate Bledsoe... but again VT did not have the weapons around him that Bledsoe did and that QB center exchange was Bledsoe's fault according to Bill

Bill never said it was Bledsoe's fault - ever.

 

[superpunk]

a problem with a lot of these posters (not excluding or including anybody specific) is if they can't argue there side well... they become very abrasive and then you see a lot of these or these :bang2: but little in substance... I am about finished playing with them today though its 22:00 hours and about time for a shower and bed...

All bow to Zaxor, the mighty debater.

The thing is, some people post things that are so damn ridiculous, that it's really not worth more trouble than it takes to click on a few or :bang2:'s.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Do you think Parcells is going to hang Vinny out to dry? He liked Vinny and likes Drew. He isn't going to say that Dallas lost because the QB sucks. He didn't even do that when they released Quincy.

Perhaps but there is no credible proof that Parcells believes Vinnie was not as capable. The fact is that they played, statistically, very close to the same level. The difference between the two was not there individual play but the quality of the over all teams in respective years.

I said it earlier and I will re-state it here. If you ask me who is better, I would say Bledsoe but the margin of difference is neglitable IMO.

The problem here is that Bledsoe was supposed to be a substantial upgrade and I don't believe he's proven to be that. That was the whole reason for going with a Veteran QB as opposed to somebody younger. Last year I was asked who would have been better options out there. At the time, I said that I thought Kurt Warner, Rob Johnson and Brian Griese would all have been options for us. Nobody believed me then. I think that if you look at what each of those QBs were able to accomplish this year, you would have to say that all of those QBs have proven that they could still play at a relatively high level. The one thing that Bledsoe has on all of them is is durability. That, I think, must be said.