The Roy Williams Trade Makes Me Want to Puke

[RainMan]

Eskimo, I want to respond to you directly because I think you bring up some good points.

My concern whenever you trade for a receiver is that receivers rarely, if ever, win teams Super Bowls. A few days before the trade, I compared getting Roy to getting granite countertops when your house was just ruined in a natural disaster. It helps, but is it your biggest problem?

Now, I think the unique situation here is that we're not built around our receivers, despite having one of the league's best corps. Roy's not coming here to be a savior but just another part. You've seen in Arizona with Leinart and Detroit with Harrington, receivers -- no matter their talent -- don't make QBs better. But we have every other skill position part in place already. That No. 2 slot was the one weakness because Crayton couldn't hurt teams. A 60-yard game for him was a thing for celebration. Not with Roy, you wouldn't think.

Before I disagree with you, I want to say I think you're spot on with the concerns at NT and other spots on defense. I think getting a blitzing inside linebacker, another pressure player at outside linebacker, replacing RW38 and improving our talent up front (I'm not sold Canty deserves a huge deal or that Spears is a starter) are the team's biggest weaknesses now.

But I do disagree with you on the concerns up front on offense. If there is any concern with this offensive line, I think it's that it, like the rest of the team, became lazy in recent weeks. Plus, it's dinged with Flozell's arm and Kosier out. I don't particularly think any player needs to be replaced, as we've seen that unit dominate. It's just a matter of -- as it is for this entire team -- the players playing up to their ability and not coasting.

 

[Oh_Canada]

This trade is great...a young potentially dominant receiver for a late first rounder and a couple of other throw-in picks is a no-brainer.

Anyone who thinks recievers don't matter haven't been paying attention.

-The Giants won with defense no question, but would never have gotten there without the contributions of Burress/Toomer/Smith and the team they beat was loaded with receivers.

-The Colts had a pair of wideouts you may have heard of...and weren't quite the same a year ago without the contributions of one of those two.

 

[big dog cowboy]

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oh snap!!!

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

 

[ghst187]

I love Boldin. I was one of the few people on his bandwaggon coming out of Florida State when no one else was.

Especially after he dropped that 4.7 at the combine.

But Roy Williams is better than him from a talent stand point and I think putting Roy on the big stage is going to make him shine even more.

Good trade for both teams.

We overpayed a little. But we also filled a hole on this team and have a franchise receiver for many years.

Thank you Jerry.

count me in on that Boldin bandwagon back in that draft. He looked like a man among boys in college a lot of times. I was mad that we didn't take him in the second. He had run a slow 40 and his stock dropped but I still knew he'd be a player cuz he was such an incredible athlete with great hands. Also, having great speed doesn't mean you can always get open, see Miles Austin. Some guys aren't that fast but can still get open. Some speedy guys can't separate. Glenn is one of the best I've ever seen that had both speed and separation (not to mention he had some great hands). He was a master of his craft. Shame we lost him, we would be averaging 40 points per game right now with a SB ring if he hadn't gotten injured.
Anywho....I'm a big fan of the Roy trade but not for all the same reasons as everyone else.
1) I'm not worried about the draft picks. Roy was a huge upgrade over what we had because Crayton is a career #3 and Austin an emergency fill in and nothing more. Roy is helps us much more immediately, by at least 2 yrs, than any WR we draft next year.
2) Will free up TO and our entire offense, you HAVE to pay attention to RW if your a defense, cuz the second you stop worrying about him is the second he starts making plays.

As for the cons, I don't think Roy is going to be a great #1 if we're counting on him to become that post-TO. He's been an underachiever forever. He has more physical gifts than he shows. I thought he was a huge underachiever in college. Yeah he was and is good, but didn't seem like he was the gamechanger that you expect. He can disappear a lot, esp if you're counting on him to take over. (save the philthy game) He has always seemed overhyped...once again, not that he isn't or wasn't good, just not the dominant player you expect. I guess what I'm saying is that when you see him, his size, his speed, his measurables, and the ease with which he occasionally makes a great play/catch...you expect him to do it all the time but he doesn't. Seems like if someone lit a fire under him he could be perenially pro-bowl (yeah I know Detroit doesn't help). Maybe he doesn't have the competitive will and fire that he needs sometimes to achieve his potential, I don't know...it just seems like something is missing sometimes. Now having said that, I'm a big fan of him and I'm esctatic that he's a Cowboy. I think our situation right now is ideal for him to excel. TO is #1 and RW doesn't have the pressure. I think RW will surprise everyone since the spotlight won't be on him. Post-TO though I worry about counting on him as a #1. Hopefully, TO will give us enough time to draft and develop another big-time WR before he retires.

 

[RainMan]

count me in on that Boldin bandwagon back in that draft. He looked like a man among boys in college a lot of times. I was mad that we didn't take him in the second. He had run a slow 40 and his stock dropped but I still knew he'd be a player cuz he was such an incredible athlete with great hands. Also, having great speed doesn't mean you can always get open, see Miles Austin. Some guys aren't that fast but can still get open. Some speedy guys can't separate. Glenn is one of the best I've ever seen that had both speed and separation (not to mention he had some great hands). He was a master of his craft. Shame we lost him, we would be averaging 40 points per game right now with a SB ring if he hadn't gotten injured.
Anywho....I'm a big fan of the Roy trade but not for all the same reasons as everyone else.
1) I'm not worried about the draft picks. Roy was a huge upgrade over what we had because Crayton is a career #3 and Austin an emergency fill in and nothing more. Roy is helps us much more immediately, by at least 2 yrs, than any WR we draft next year.
2) Will free up TO and our entire offense, you HAVE to pay attention to RW if your a defense, cuz the second you stop worrying about him is the second he starts making plays.

As for the cons, I don't think Roy is going to be a great #1 if we're counting on him to become that post-TO. He's been an underachiever forever. He has more physical gifts than he shows. I thought he was a huge underachiever in college. Yeah he was and is good, but didn't seem like he was the gamechanger that you expect. He can disappear a lot, esp if you're counting on him to take over. (save the philthy game) He has always seemed overhyped...once again, not that he isn't or wasn't good, just not the dominant player you expect. I guess what I'm saying is that when you see him, his size, his speed, his measurables, and the ease with which he occasionally makes a great play/catch...you expect him to do it all the time but he doesn't. Seems like if someone lit a fire under him he could be perenially pro-bowl (yeah I know Detroit doesn't help). Maybe he doesn't have the competitive will and fire that he needs sometimes to achieve his potential, I don't know...it just seems like something is missing sometimes. Now having said that, I'm a big fan of him and I'm esctatic that he's a Cowboy. I think our situation right now is ideal for him to excel. TO is #1 and RW doesn't have the pressure. I think RW will surprise everyone since the spotlight won't be on him. Post-TO though I worry about counting on him as a #1. Hopefully, TO will give us enough time to draft and develop another big-time WR before he retires.

As I've posted before, I'm usually not too big on the rebirth of players. But I think the fact Roy has already stated he's eager to learn how to work under TO, admitting he's never really been shown what hard work is, is telling.

Granted, you'd like for him to already have that makeup. Irvin, I don't think, learned how to work from someone else.

But the fact Roy acknowledges it as a weakness and something he's eager to improve upon makes me think he might be serious about it. It's not something you'd bring up if you don't see it as something you need to get better at.

Plus, and this is just a hunch, I have a feeling Roy will look better in this offense. I mean Crayton was an 800 yard, 7-TD (or close to) receiver in this offense for crying out loud.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Be open minded and give it a chance.

RW is a very good wr.......just watch

 

[Hostile]

you're dead to me

Hook 'em!


Too late huh?

 

[jimmy40]

admitting he's never really been shown what hard work is, is telling.

When did he say that?

 

[Boyzmamacita]

If by Stage 1 of the disease, you mean owning your pick 'em league (that is, until someone reset my picks and I got zero right for the week), then yes, I am afflicted.

:laugh2:

Do you not understand how astute I am? Roy Williams sucks!!! I had high hopes for this team at the beginning of the year, especially after watching how our offensive line dominated the Browns, but if you folks can't see that this team is following the same pattern they did last year, you are blind.

Wake me when Wade and *****' Bruce Reid get FIRED!! What a horrifically awful mess this team has become.

 

[ghst187]

As I've posted before, I'm usually not too big on the rebirth of players. But I think the fact Roy has already stated he's eager to learn how to work under TO, admitting he's never really been shown what hard work is, is telling.


Plus, and this is just a hunch, I have a feeling Roy will look better in this offense. I mean Crayton was an 800 yard, 7-TD (or close to) receiver in this offense for crying out loud.

I agree on the first point, it seems like everything has been too easy for RW and he hasn't really had someone get in his face and challenge him to maximize his potential. If he gets that in Dallas, we are all going to be very happy fans. He has the potential and always has had, to dominate. I hope TO helps him figure how to do that. Until someone is truly challenged, they don't know how much they can do or how far they can go.

on the point about Crayton....ha, great point!
Like I said, I do think this was a GREAT and much needed trade. And I sincerely hope Roy becomes the WR that we all believe he has the potential to be while here in big D.

 

[Bleu Star]

I thought Jerry had learned his lesson with the Joey Galloway fiasco. I CANNOT BELIEVE he did this. Anyone who likes Roy Williams is a UT homer and that's all there is to it. He has no burst! He has no game!

***? We couldn't have landed Boldin for a friggin' first, third, and sixth rounder?!?!

These are the types of deals that can be a team's undoing. I actually think Jerry may have it in his mind that Roy Williams is going to become our dominant #1 after Owens retires. Ridiculous. He is gangly and slow and cannot get any separation whatsoever. And when he is lucky enough to see some daylight (likely because the corner tripped over his own two feet), he drops balls faster than anyone.

Let me put it this way. Our lame *** safety Roy Williams can cover our new Roy Williams one-on-one any day of the week if that tells you something.

Here's what we really need...

1) A head coach who isn't as soft as Flozell's midsection. The penalties, the ridiculously awful special teams, the total lack of fire. All Wade and his "I want to be everyone's best friend" routine.

2) A ****ing offensive line that actually gives a damn. Thanks for letting us know that you're going to do better, Bigg Davis. But as has been the case with this team all too often over the last couple of years, their talk is worthless, just PLAY SOME ****ING BALL!!!

3) A defense that comes close to playing up to their ability. Again, a lot of this is on Wade. Newsflash: Our defense SUCKS at every level!!

4) And one more newsflash: Last year's team would kick the living bejeezus out of this year's team. Know that.

3)

Someone please get this guy a barf bag and sit him in a corner somewhere out of the way.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

You know, I was concerned that Dallas had given up too much to get Roy, but now that I know 2233 is against it, I feel much more comfortable that Jerry made a good decision.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I thought Jerry had learned his lesson with the Joey Galloway fiasco. I CANNOT BELIEVE he did this. Anyone who likes Roy Williams is a UT homer and that's all there is to it. He has no burst! He has no game!

Right off the bat you show how clueless you really are. Number one I'm a Cornhusker fan so one of the last teams I'll ever root for is the Texas Longhorns.

***? We couldn't have landed Boldin for a friggin' first, third, and sixth rounder?!?!

No, we couldn't, because he wasn't on the trading block. You can't just make teams put their players up for grabs, Detriot was looking to move Roy.

These are the types of deals that can be a team's undoing. I actually think Jerry may have it in his mind that Roy Williams is going to become our dominant #1 after Owens retires. Ridiculous. He is gangly and slow and cannot get any separation whatsoever. And when he is lucky enough to see some daylight (likely because the corner tripped over his own two feet), he drops balls faster than anyone.

This entire paragraph shows that you haven't got even the smallest clue what you're talking about. It's quite clear why you are not an NFL coach or scout from reading this.

Let me put it this way. Our lame *** safety Roy Williams can cover our new Roy Williams one-on-one any day of the week if that tells you something.

It tells me that you're not real bright. That's what it tells me.

Here's what we really need...

For fans like you to simply go jump on the bandwagon of another team.

:bang2:

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Eskimo, I want to respond to you directly because I think you bring up some good points.

My concern whenever you trade for a receiver is that receivers rarely, if ever, win teams Super Bowls. A few days before the trade, I compared getting Roy to getting granite countertops when your house was just ruined in a natural disaster. It helps, but is it your biggest problem?

Now, I think the unique situation here is that we're not built around our receivers, despite having one of the league's best corps. Roy's not coming here to be a savior but just another part. You've seen in Arizona with Leinart and Detroit with Harrington, receivers -- no matter their talent -- don't make QBs better. But we have every other skill position part in place already. That No. 2 slot was the one weakness because Crayton couldn't hurt teams. A 60-yard game for him was a thing for celebration. Not with Roy, you wouldn't think.

Before I disagree with you, I want to say I think you're spot on with the concerns at NT and other spots on defense. I think getting a blitzing inside linebacker, another pressure player at outside linebacker, replacing RW38 and improving our talent up front (I'm not sold Canty deserves a huge deal or that Spears is a starter) are the team's biggest weaknesses now.

But I do disagree with you on the concerns up front on offense. If there is any concern with this offensive line, I think it's that it, like the rest of the team, became lazy in recent weeks. Plus, it's dinged with Flozell's arm and Kosier out. I don't particularly think any player needs to be replaced, as we've seen that unit dominate. It's just a matter of -- as it is for this entire team -- the players playing up to their ability and not coasting.

For the large part its true but there are historical examples of adding a top flight WR to a good WR corps making a team dominant from just being very good. In the early t0 mid 90s the Rams had a respectable offense that featured wideouts in Isaac Bruce and Ricky Proehl. In the 1999 draft they selected Tory Holt and the offense simply exploded.

Now granted that was coupled with the emergence of Warner and Faulk to make the greatest show on turf but you can see parallels. The major difference was the playmaking ability of Faulk. Barber is good but Faulk is a all of famer. OTOH, Roland Williams doesn't remotely compare to Mr. Witten.

The commonalities are astounding at the WR position. With Holt and Bruce, teams couldn't cheat the safeties to one side of the field or into the box. If you did you saw what that offense would do to you. Both Holt and Bruce went over 15 YPC. Keep in mind that was Holt's rookie yeat.

Its much the same here but I would say with an added twist. What the Rams would do is go four wide with Bruce, Holt, Proehl and Az-Hakim. We can do much the same with Owens, REW, Crayton and Austin. OTOH we have Witten as well and that really gives defenses fits. Witten is able to stretch the field but hes also excellent at the point of attack. this means when we go three wide we can do pretty much whatever we want and the defense has to respect it.

In general terms, WRs dont win Super Bowls. At the same time another top flight receiver could make this offense one for the ages.

Now if onnly REW will play like he can and not like he has.

 

[Romo2Dez4six]

I think Roy has superb talent and will shine witha great QB throwing to him

 

[RainMan]

For the large part its true but there are historical examples of adding a top flight WR to a good WR corps making a team dominant from just being very good. In the early t0 mid 90s the Rams had a respectable offense that featured wideouts in Isaac Bruce and Ricky Proehl. In the 1999 draft they selected Tory Holt and the offense simply exploded.

Now granted that was coupled with the emergence of Warner and Faulk to make the greatest show on turf but you can see parallels. The major difference was the playmaking ability of Faulk. Barber is good but Faulk is a all of famer. OTOH, Roland Williams doesn't remotely compare to Mr. Witten.

The commonalities are astounding at the WR position. With Holt and Bruce, teams couldn't cheat the safeties to one side of the field or into the box. If you did you saw what that offense would do to you. Both Holt and Bruce went over 15 YPC. Keep in mind that was Holt's rookie yeat.

Its much the same here but I would say with an added twist. What the Rams would do is go four wide with Bruce, Holt, Proehl and Az-Hakim. We can do much the same with Owens, REW, Crayton and Austin. OTOH we have Witten as well and that really gives defenses fits. Witten is able to stretch the field but hes also excellent at the point of attack. this means when we go three wide we can do pretty much whatever we want and the defense has to respect it.

In general terms, WRs dont win Super Bowls. At the same time another top flight receiver could make this offense one for the ages.

Now if onnly REW will play like he can and not like he has.

True, true. Another thing we have in our favor is that the stout offense already is in place. Oftentimes when you make a move like this, it's a mediocre offense making an addition hoping he, alone, will take them to the next level (you know, like a Baltimore team that has McGahee and Heap hoping Mason is the difference, for example).

We already have one of the league's best offenses over the last 30 games. Very rarely do you have an offense that has an All-Pro WR, an All-Pro TE, a Pro Bowl QB and a Pro Bowl RB -- plus three Pro Bowl OL -- add a 26-year-old Pro Bowl WR. I'm very interested to see how this plays out.

 

[rathalarge]

I thought Jerry had learned his lesson with the Joey Galloway fiasco. I CANNOT BELIEVE he did this. Anyone who likes Roy Williams is a UT homer and that's all there is to it. He has no burst! He has no game!

***? We couldn't have landed Boldin for a friggin' first, third, and sixth rounder?!?!

These are the types of deals that can be a team's undoing. I actually think Jerry may have it in his mind that Roy Williams is going to become our dominant #1 after Owens retires. Ridiculous. He is gangly and slow and cannot get any separation whatsoever. And when he is lucky enough to see some daylight (likely because the corner tripped over his own two feet), he drops balls faster than anyone.

Let me put it this way. Our lame *** safety Roy Williams can cover our new Roy Williams one-on-one any day of the week if that tells you something.

Here's what we really need...

1) A head coach who isn't as soft as Flozell's midsection. The penalties, the ridiculously awful special teams, the total lack of fire. All Wade and his "I want to be everyone's best friend" routine.

2) A ****ing offensive line that actually gives a damn. Thanks for letting us know that you're going to do better, Bigg Davis. But as has been the case with this team all too often over the last couple of years, their talk is worthless, just PLAY SOME ****ING BALL!!!

3) A defense that comes close to playing up to their ability. Again, a lot of this is on Wade. Newsflash: Our defense SUCKS at every level!!

4) And one more newsflash: Last year's team would kick the living bejeezus out of this year's team. Know that.

3)

?????:laugh2:

 

[Ultra Warrior]

I thought Jerry had learned his lesson with the Joey Galloway fiasco.

Yeah, like Jerry was able to see into the future & see Joey get hurt & miss the entire season.

 

[Iamtdg]

So, people on this board can just post a moronic BS thread about something they have no clue about, and never once respond to being called out on it?

Ok.

 

[rangers71]

So, people on this board can just post a moronic BS thread about something they have no clue about, and never once respond to being called out on it?

Ok.

No kidding.