The time is now

[5Stars]

Never wish what?

What everyone eventually does...oh, and the tax thingy too!


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[DallasCowpoke]

Rowdy likes pudding though.

Yeaaaaaaa, but only if it's Figgy Pudding. I mean seriously, he's a damn Limey!

 

[ravidubey]

So what you are saying is that Tex Schramm never relied on Gil Brandt at all in 29 years of working together? He was the initiator of every action?

Schramm was a football innovator and enabler with strong football creds. Of course he relied on Brandt and Landry, but he was an essential contributor. As Schramm began focusing more and more on marketing the star, both he and the Cowboys began losing the edge he originally helped to hone.

Ironically I always felt Jerry came in looking like the Schramm who left.

Come on, you're smarter than that man. I know you may not respect me

Hostile, I don't know you but I respect much of what you've said in many posts, though I don't always agree. I'm sure most posters feel that way about each other.

That said, while Tex Schramm was an innovator and a great Dallas Cowboy, he ceased to become a great GM the moment marketing the team and taking shortcuts became more important than the football work that made him who he was.

The best GM's started out as and remained football guys from start to finish and usually stayed out of the limelight.

The GM is kind of the Senate to the HC's President and coaching staff's House. A GM's focus is always the short and longterm football health of the team.

Often the "longterm" part of that is at direct odds with the coaches who want to win now and the owner who needs to see his team sell tickets.

One person can't have two of those three roles and succeed for long, especially without a strong football background.

Many have tried, but few have succeeded, and none for long periods of time.

 

[Joe Realist]

yawn....

 

[dallasfaniac]

The best GM's started out as and remained football guys from start to finish and usually stayed out of the limelight.

Just for the record, who are these best GMs?

 

[DallasEast]

The question mark should equal that which must exist within the realm of conceivability. Any proposed idea conceived outside that box is D.O.A.

What everyone eventually does...oh, and the tax thingy too!


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Death?

The question mark should equal that which must exist within the realm of conceivability. Any proposed idea conceived outside that box is D.O.A.

"I never should wish death on an idea???"

 

[5Stars]

Death? "I never should wish death on an idea???"

Maybe it was the D.O.A. thing that threw me?




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[DallasEast]

Maybe it was the D.O.A. thing that threw me?




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[Hostile]

Schramm was a football innovator and enabler with strong football creds. Of course he relied on Brandt and Landry, but he was an essential contributor. As Schramm began focusing more and more on marketing the star, both he and the Cowboys began losing the edge he originally helped to hone.

Ironically I always felt Jerry came in looking like the Schramm who left.

Jerry has faults, but the guy has also been a football innovator. Give him some credit. When the NFL signed with Reebok, he signed with Nike. Then other teams followed suit and singed individual deal and increased their overall worth. He did it with Pepsi too.

His innovations have been more on the side of marketing and I do not deny that. However, the primary function of the GM is to put together a team of 53 and despite their failings we have a good team.

I wish Jerry would fire Wade, and hire Shanahan, but the truth is I put more focus on the failures of the coaches and players than I do Jerry at this point. He assembled a very good 53 man roster under the cap. That is his job. You can see it otherwise and that is your right.

I think this team will win. As assembled and that we are moving in the right directions. Do I think it's being done perfectly? NO, not by any wild stretch of the imagination.

Hostile, I don't know you but I respect much of what you've said in many posts, though I don't always agree. I'm sure most posters feel that way about each other.

I have been told that you post mostly at DCC nowadays and have ripped me over there. If you haven't then I apologize for thinking otherwise.

That said, while Tex Schramm was an innovator and a great Dallas Cowboy, he ceased to become a great GM the moment marketing the team and taking shortcuts became more important than the football work that made him who he was.

I'm going to disagree with you a bit. I think Tex was handicapped by Bum Bright who did not want to spend the money it took to do proper research and the team paid for it.

I also credit Tex for mentioning this to Jerry before he himself stepped down. Jerry and Jimmy then began their efforts by re-assembling a good scouting department.

So he does listen. Again, he is not perfect. I'm not looking for perfect though. I don't believe in it.

The best GM's started out as and remained football guys from start to finish and usually stayed out of the limelight.

I disagree with you again. Tex did not stay out of the limelight. In fact many criticized him for being more powerful than Rozelle.

Let me throw this out there to you and anyone else who support this movement. Jerry is the puppet master again right? He pulls Wade's strings?

So, he's going to step aside and hire a competent GM, or another puppet?

See, that's where so much of this argument loses me. Whomever this GM is that he hires, the real football man, is going to exorcise him and his albatross from the building.

I just gave up believing in fairy tales too long ago to buy that man. He's not the best GM in the world, but he isn't the worst either. Unfortunately we are stuck with him.

You think I wouldn't love to have a Bill Polian? A Scott Pioli? $10,000 and a billboard and website to announce fan displeasure is going to land one of those caliber guys? I'm sorry. I don't buy it. That is Don Quixote tilting at windmills, and I know that offends the OP and some other guys over there who are excited about this movement, but it's just the truth.

I've already been warned that he plans to get himself banned here today. What purpose does that serve? I may think this is foolish but are we removing it? He's getting free publicity. It's my fault that he can't handle criticism? Naw, pin that tail on some other donkey.

I'm not trying to be a jerk about this as I know people are passionate. I think it is misdirected passion that isn't going to accomplish squat.

I would like to point out that I never joined GROZ or any of the other "movements" either. I'm simply not interested in being a party to a pointless "movement." I have freedom of speech and I exercise it just like anyone else can. I do it within the Guidelines and as long as others do too, they are welcome here. That is why this forum succeeds. You can get in the face of the big bad deity/admin if it is within the rules and earn my respect. There's no need to bash me behind my back, because I'm right here every day enjoying the posters opinions here.

Okay, so I don't enjoy them all, but we don't silence them all either if they are within the Guidelines. I think this is stupid, btu the thread's still here. Bet me I wouldn't get the same respect over there. Naw, save your money, don't bet me.

 

[Hostile]

Yeaaaaaaa, but only if it's Figgy Pudding. I mean seriously, he's a damn Limey!

Then you have my full support. Can we get a billboard?

You know, Rowdy has been here since the 1997 season. We have not won in he post season since he has been here. He only likes figgy pudding. There seems to be a curse on us.

Coincidence? You tell me.

 

[Iamtdg]

Jerry has faults, but the guy has also been a football innovator. Give him some credit. When the NFL signed with Reebok, he signed with Nike. Then other teams followed suit and singed individual deal and increased their overall worth. He did it with Pepsi too.

That has jack nor squat to do with football.

His innovations have been more on the side of marketing and I do not deny that. However, the primary function of the GM is to put together a team of 53 and despite their failings we have a good team.

Umm... no we don't. We may have a lot of talent, but we a crap poor team.

I wish Jerry would fire Wade, and hire Shanahan, but the truth is I put more focus on the failures of the coaches and players than I do Jerry at this point. He assembled a very good 53 man roster under the cap. That is his job. You can see it otherwise and that is your right.

Your untouchable GM hired all of those coaches. In the wrong damn order, I must add.

I think this team will win. As assembled and that we are moving in the right directions. Do I think it's being done perfectly? NO, not by any wild stretch of the imagination.

What is being done that even comes close to dictating us moving in the right direction? By firing Brian Stewart and Bruce Read? Yeah, ok.

By bringing in a coach to coach the coaches? You go with that.

 

[Iamtdg]

Yet another deflection instead of answering the question. You aren't even good at it.

There is no answer to the question, genius.

Nobody, not even Carnac the Magnificent pull a name out of his *** to say "This will make you win guaranteed".

What I can guarantee is that this team will not win again in any decent amount until after Jerry Jones is no longer running the football side of it.

 

[Hostile]

That has jack nor squat to do with football.

Just like George Preston Marshall, who first brought up television as a way to increase the exposure and value of the game, Jerry succeeded in creating value.

I already said it is more in marketing but it is still football innovations kind of like Tex did with the Cheerleaders, etc.

Umm... no we don't. We may have a lot of talent, but we a crap poor team.

Thanks for your opinion.

Your untouchable GM hired all of those coaches. In the wrong damn order, I must add.

I have no idea what you are talking about. When did he hire Shanahan? I would love it if he did, but he hasn't.

What is being done that even comes close to dictating us moving in the right direction? By firing Brian Stewart and Bruce Read? Yeah, ok.

Now I'll do what you and Jed_70 try and do. So you wanted us to keep Stewart and Read. Good plan.

Now, I'll be honest. Acquisition of talent and signing the difference makers to long term deals rather than losing these players via Free Agency. I will enjoy DeMarcus ware, Jason Witten, Tony Romo, and Marion Barber among others, for a long time.

By bringing in a coach to coach the coaches? You go with that.

You don't know Reeves role any more than I do because it hasn't been announced. Your bile towards me is misdirected but they will enjoy giving you high fives at Central.

 

[Hostile]

There is no answer to the question, genius.

Nobody, not even Carnac the Magnificent pull a name out of his *** to say "This will make you win guaranteed".

What I can guarantee is that this team will not win again in any decent amount until after Jerry Jones is no longer running the football side of it.

Thank you for proving my point.

The last line is your bitterness, not a fact. You can't see the future any better than Karnak could.

 

[Iamtdg]

Thank you for proving my point.

The last line is your bitterness, not a fact. You can't see the future any better than Karnak could.

No, but I damn sure can see the past.

And, that is all I need to see to know that this man will never put the organization above himself. In his mind, he is much bigger than the organization.

Thanks for letting me pimp the site. You all can go back to your comfortable little holes and keep believing that this team will somehow magically get better.

 

[5Stars]

Umm... no we don't. We may have a lot of talent, but we a crap poor team.

Who's this "we" stuff you talking about?

You got a mouse in your pocket?


Who got that talent? What did that talent do? Did Jerry lace em up and get out on the field and help lose those games?

You have no clue as to what happened! It just happened, that's all...

Getting rid of Jerry and putting anyone else in his place that did the exact same thing and aquired the same talent that Jerry did IS NOT GOING to guarantee a SuperBowl!!

Grow up...get an education, and worry about more important things in your life, because right now your priorities are in the wrong place.




The name on the crapper can be "Mens" or "Hombres"...but it's still going to be a crapper!

But, have fun kiddo....someday you might just grow up and see how stupid this whole thing is. (but I doubt it)...

 

[Hostile]

No, but I damn sure can see the past.

And, that is all I need to see to know that this man will never put the organization above himself. In his mind, he is much bigger than the organization.

Thanks for letting me pimp the site. You all can go back to your comfortable little holes and keep believing that this team will somehow magically get better.

I don't believe in magic, but I'm not the one pimping a fairy tale.

 

[Vintage]

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

No, but I damn sure can see the past.

And, that is all I need to see to know that this man will never put the organization above himself. In his mind, he is much bigger than the organization.

Thanks for letting me pimp the site. You all can go back to your comfortable little holes and keep believing that this team will somehow magically get better.

So just because the majority of people here thinks that a plan to spend money on a project that will have no chance of working means we are in little holes and believe that this team will magically get better?

Do you actually believe this?

 

[BigDFan5]

There is no answer to the question, genius.

Nobody, not even Carnac the Magnificent pull a name out of his *** to say "This will make you win guaranteed".

The answer is nobody, there is no GM that will get every decision right

What I can guarantee is that this team will not win again in any decent amount until after Jerry Jones is no longer running the football side of it.

Whats tonights lotto numbers?