The Umpteenth Roy Williams Gripe Thread **Merge | Deion Apology Audio Post #589**

[alancdc]

He is on Colin's show right now.

 

[theebs]

Jimmy must have been paid a ton by crown royal. He has been doing interviews all morning.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Because Romo is the golden boy for some so it's easier to to blame a receiver for dropping a ball or saying he ran a bad route than it is to say our QB is average at best.

Romo was awful. He laid Bennett out and almost got him knocked out of the game. His passes were high, behind, late, low, ugly and batted.

He is not a very good pocket passer. His best plays are when he scrambles around and defenses lose a receiver in coverage.

Teams have figured him out and they have figured out this lame arse offense.

Sure, we'll beat the bad defenses and score a ton of points simply because we have better players. Everyone will cheer and wet themselves because of what a stud Romo and Garrett are for scoring 35 points.

But, as I said last week, good defenses shut this team down. And it starts at the top. OC and QB. No receiver is going to look good if Garrett can't figure out how to get guys open and no receiver is going to look good if Romo can't throw a catchable ball or do a better job of reading coverages and anticipating where the ball should be thrown.

Thank God for our defense.

I cannot go that far....because I like Romo. But here is what I will say...people argue Dallas choked in December last year. Did we not play the Steelers, Ravens, Eagles and Giants? I mean I think ALL FOUR were in the top 7 in defense. The competetion got better and other than the Eagles game...they were JUST a little better than us. And I AGREE that we struggle against the better defenses...but what offense doesn't? This is football folks. Heck teams are STRUGLING against OUR defense. December football is NOT about beating teams by 30. This is the FIRST year in a long time where we are playing what people are calling UGLY football...but I call it REAL football. I admit at times it is uncomfortable, because neither this team or the fans are used to it. But this defense has responded and played tough. We just need the special teams (especialy the return men) to help us get better field position...and of coure we need Folk to make his kicks. But you are NOT blowing REAL football teams out in the playoffs, so lets hope this team continues to appreciate winning tough games...and lets hope all 3 phases get on the same page...because you need them ALL to win REAL football games

 

[Apollo Creed]

If Roy Williams continues to suck it's not good for any of us. if you continue on your soapbox, you will undoubtedly feel a twinge of displeasure should Roy stop sucking.

Take a step back from forum persona a while to just be a fan. We all want Roy Williams to succeed. Taking a firm stand in the "He sucks and he'll always suck and I'm going to throw that in the face of anyone who tries to claim that he doesn't suck!!!!" is just ruining the fan experience.

If Roy doesn't get right it is a VERY bad thing for Dallas. I guess our weirdo fans who want to gloat that they were "right" will get some deranged joy out of it, and subsequently annoy the piss out of the rest of us, but noone else is having any fun.

Hell Roy hasn't gotten it right and we're 7-3.

 

[BlindFaith]

Jimmy was asked by Greenie/Golic what ails the Cowboys offense right now and he said --right to the point---one of our receivers needs to step it up and make those catches that may look out of reach to the fans but the player knows he should have caught it...until our passing game puts fear into our opponents we will struggle the rest of the way
...he did not mention Roy by name like most of the other TV pundits always do but basically called out all our receiving core as a whole

Hey Jimmy, here's an idea. How about the QB stepping up? Yeah, let's blame all the receivers and anyone not named Witten for what ails this offense.

Why is it that Wayne, Moss, Andre Johnson, Rice, Welker, Smith, Ward, Fitzgerald and Jackson are leading the league in receiving? Because they all have quality QBs throwing them the ball.

And while we're at it, why is it that no matter who we have on this team at receiver our OC can not find a way to get them open.

Why is it that the top offenses can always seem to find a way to get their top guys open?

I know, the easy argument is to just say our receivers suck and the brilliant play calling and stellar QB play just can't overcome our pathetic receivers.

Mike Martz designed plays to get Roy the ball and Kitna was able to execute.

There is this perception that Romo is some kind of elite QB and he simply isn't.

 

[DallasEast]

Hell Roy hasn't gotten it right and we're 7-3.

If Williams were the only one in the entire organization to have "gotten it right" this season, does that mean the team's record would currently be 8-2, 9-1 or 10-0?

 

[stilltheguru]

Hey Jimmy, here's an idea. How about the QB stepping up? Yeah, let's blame all the receivers and anyone not named Witten for what ails this offense.

Why is it that Wayne, Moss, Andre Johnson, Rice, Welker, Smith, Ward, Fitzgerald and Jackson are leading the league in receiving? Because they all have quality QBs throwing them the ball.

And while we're at it, why is it that no matter who we have on this team at receiver our OC can not find a way to get them open.

Why is it that the top offenses can always seem to find a way to get their top guys open?

I know, the easy argument is to just say our receivers suck and the brilliant play calling and stellar QB play just can't overcome our pathetic receivers.

Mike Martz designed plays to get Roy the ball and Kitna was able to execute.

There is this perception that Romo is some kind of elite QB and he simply isn't.

Whoa whoa. I dislike Romo more than anybody on this site probrably, but if Austin is performing Roy has NO excuses. This isn't on Romo, it's all on that slow foot, sorry route running bum.

 

[Doomsday101]

If Williams were the only one in the entire organization to have "gotten it right" this season, does that mean the team's record would currently be 8-2, 9-1 or 10-0?

Heck I don't care if he has not gotten it right as of now I just want to see him and the Cowboys get it right the rest of the way. :laugh2:

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

This board is amazing... :laugh2:

 

[dadymat]

Hey Jimmy, here's an idea. How about the QB stepping up? Yeah, let's blame all the receivers and anyone not named Witten for what ails this offense.

Why is it that Wayne, Moss, Andre Johnson, Rice, Welker, Smith, Ward, Fitzgerald and Jackson are leading the league in receiving? Because they all have quality QBs throwing them the ball.

And while we're at it, why is it that no matter who we have on this team at receiver our OC can not find a way to get them open.

Why is it that the top offenses can always seem to find a way to get their top guys open?

I know, the easy argument is to just say our receivers suck and the brilliant play calling and stellar QB play just can't overcome our pathetic receivers.

Mike Martz designed plays to get Roy the ball and Kitna was able to execute.

There is this perception that Romo is some kind of elite QB and he simply isn't.

he steps up all the time.....he steps up...throws a pass....and watches it bounce off wide open receivers/tight ends hands......if you dislike the player you should express it with less ignorance

 

[BlindFaith]

I cannot go that far....because I like Romo. But here is what I will say...people argue Dallas choked in December last year. Did we not play the Steelers, Ravens, Eagles and Giants? I mean I think ALL FOUR were in the top 7 in defense. The competition got better and other than the Eagles game...they were JUST a little better than us. And I AGREE that we struggle against the better defenses...but what offense doesn't? This is football folks. Heck teams are STRUGLING against OUR defense. December football is NOT about beating teams by 30. This is the FIRST year in a long time where we are playing what people are calling UGLY football...but I call it REAL football. I admit at times it is uncomfortable, because neither this team or the fans are used to it. But this defense has responded and played tough. We just need the special teams (especially the return men) to help us get better field position...and of coure we need Folk to make his kicks. But you are NOT blowing REAL football teams out in the playoffs, so lets hope this team continues to appreciate winning tough games...and lets hope all 3 phases get on the same page...because you need them ALL to win REAL football games

Well the offensive power house of the San Fransisco 49rs put up 24 on the same GB defense that we barely scored 7 on.

Oakland makes a QB change and they go out and hang 20 points on a very good Cincy defense and come away with a win.

The Bucs and the Chis Simms led Broncos were the only other two teams to score 7 points or less. Somehow the other 29 teams in the league found a way to score.

There is no way that with our RBs, offensive line, TEs and receivers that we should be held to 7 points, in any game against any team. Period!!!!

Not unless we have an ill designed schemes and have poor QB play.

 

[JeffInDC]

Whoa whoa. I dislike Romo more than anybody on this site probrably, but if Austin is performing Roy has NO excuses. This isn't on Romo, it's all on that slow foot, sorry route running bum.

Guru, you are somewhat right. However, now that teams are doubling Miles, he hasn't performed as well as he did. But, that is still not his fault. I'm sure that you, like I, watch tons of football on Sat. & Sun. And, something tells me that you like I watch some of the more explosive offenses and say "why the hell doesn't JG have them do this or that". Everytime I watch the Saints, I say to myself "they make it look too easy". Yet, I bet th scheme that Payton employs put his guys in their best positiosn to succeed. Take for example Reggie Bush - no longer do you see him attempting to run up the gut. EVERYTHING he does is outside the tackles. Colston is another example of simple efficiency. Every game of theirs that I watch, he gets started by running slants, crossing routes, etc...........everything seems to be within 0-7 yards. Once he has gotten underneath attention, they start sending him deep. Plus, they move him around to compensate for the lack of quickness off the line. Simple things that help create a dynamic machine.

More than anything, I think Garrett's ego is what is ruining the 'Boys O.

 

[stilltheguru]

Guru, you are somewhat right. However, now that teams are doubling Miles, he hasn't performed as well as he did. But, that is still not his fault. I'm sure that you, like I, watch tons of football on Sat. & Sun. And, something tells me that you like I watch some of the more explosive offenses and say "why the hell doesn't JG have them do this or that". Everytime I watch the Saints, I say to myself "they make it look too easy". Yet, I bet th scheme that Payton employs put his guys in their best positiosn to succeed. Take for example Reggie Bush - no longer do you see him attempting to run up the gut. EVERYTHING he does is outside the tackles. Colston is another example of simple efficiency. Every game of theirs that I watch, he gets started by running slants, crossing routes, etc...........everything seems to be within 0-7 yards. Once he has gotten underneath attention, they start sending him deep. Plus, they move him around to compensate for the lack of quickness off the line. Simple things that help create a dynamic machine.

More than anything, I think Garrett's ego is what is ruining the 'Boys O.

Ahh you must not come on here too often. I'm the resident Romo, Roy, Garrett hater. Don't worry, I hate Garrett as much as I do Roy. It's like a traingle with those three. Romo is the least of the problems by far though. Those other two can kick rocks. And yes I watch football every Sunday. I wonder if others on here do with the BS they post every week.

 

[JeffInDC]

Well the offensive power house of the San Fransisco 49rs put up 24 on the same GB defense that we barely scored 7 on.

Oakland makes a QB change and they go out and hang 20 points on a very good Cincy defense and come away with a win.

The Bucs and the Chis Simms led Broncos were the only other two teams to score 7 points or less. Somehow the other 29 teams in the league found a way to score.

There is no way that with our RBs, offensive line, TEs and receivers that we should be help to 7 points, in any game against any team. Period!!!!

Not unless we have an ill designed schemes and have poor QB play.

It's the scheme. I would bet anybody on this board that, if Romo were Philly's QB OR if Romo was running Philly's offense with the offensive talent that the 'Boys have, BOTH offenses would be performing much better.

 

[BlindFaith]

Whoa whoa. I dislike Romo more than anybody on this site probrably, but if Austin is performing Roy has NO excuses. This isn't on Romo, it's all on that slow foot, sorry route running bum.

Right, you go over the game film. You know what routes RW is suppose to run and how. Sorry, I wasn't aware you had that kind of access.

I simply go by what others who to have access to practice and game film have said on the subject, which by the way, they continue to say he runs good routes and does get open.

Romo was awful on Sunday. To argue that implies some other agenda.

Roy was a pro bowl receiver. He put up good numbers in Detroit. He works hard in practice. Do you really think he just doesn't know how to do it now? Or do you think he just isn't trying?

I do think there is something to his confidence being down. I think he's extremely frustrated and he has had some bad breaks go his way.

I do also feel that he and Romo aren't the best of buds.

 

[JeffInDC]

Ahh you must not come on here too often. I'm the resident Romo, Roy, Garrett hater. Don't worry, I hate Garrett as much as I do Roy. It's like a traingle with those three. Romo is the least of the problems by far though. Those other two can kick rocks. And yes I watch football every Sunday. I wonder if others on here do with the BS they post every week.

No, I've been around for years. Just hadn't posted much lately because of work. Now, I really don't give a **** anymore about my bosses. :laugh2:

 

[stilltheguru]

Right, you go over the game film. You know what routes RW is suppose to run and how. Sorry, I wasn't aware you had that kind of access.

I simply go by what others who to have access to practice and game film have said on the subject, which by the way, they continue to say he runs good routes and does get open.

Romo was awful on Sunday. To argue that implies some other agenda.

Roy was a pro bowl receiver. He put up good numbers in Detroit. He works hard in practice. Do you really think he just doesn't know how to do it now? Or do you think he just isn't trying?

I do think there is something to his confidence being down. I think he's extremely frustrated and he has had some bad breaks go his way.

I do also feel that he and Romo aren't the best of buds.

He was a pro bowl alternate once in his life. If that qualifies as a "pro bowl reciever", well then hot dangit! Aikman, Irvin, Deion, Moose all said he runs garbage routes. Who are these people who say he runs good routes??????????

 

[BlindFaith]

he steps up all the time.....he steps up...throws a pass....and watches it bounce off wide open receivers/tight ends hands......if you dislike the player you should express it with less ignorance

Please. Tell me again how many passes were too high or too low or just plain thrown out of the same frickin zip code as the nearest receiver.

Tell me again how many times Romo locks in on a receiver no matter how many other guys are running around open.

Oh and tell me again how many playoff games Romo has won.

F Romo. His goofy, awe shucks, hey I'm just happy to be playing attitude has dried up and withered into what he really is, an undrafted, averaged armed QB, with no touch on a deep ball, marginal adeptness at reading coverages, poor timing from the pocket and the propensity to force a ball into coverage at the most inopportune time.

Thats only the stuff I can see on the field. Not to mention he's not a leader and, to me, just not a football guy. I think he's more interested in playing the part of a QB than actually being a QB.

And you're right. I do dislike Romo very much at this point. I trust my gut. My gut tells me he can't get it done when it matters. My gut tells me that the combination of him and Garrett will ultimately result in failure, as if it hasn't already.

 

[casmith07]

If Williams were the only one in the entire organization to have "gotten it right" this season, does that mean the team's record would currently be 8-2, 9-1 or 10-0?

Yes. Roy Williams is the key reason why we aren't 10-0. If Roy doesn't get the ball stripped - excuse me - FUMBLE THE BALL LIKE A BUM WHAT A BUSTA-BUM against the Packers, we win that game 76-3. :

 

[BlindFaith]

He was a pro bowl alternate once in his life. If that qualifies as a "pro bowl receiver", well then hot dangit! Aikman, Irvin, Deion, Moose all said he runs garbage routes. Who are these people who say he runs good routes??????????

Broadus and other coaches at Valley Ranch. You know, the guys who actually watch game film.

Not the talking heads.

I'm not saying Roy is without blame. He has had some legit drops and a fumble. I'm just saying that it is far too simplistic a view to simply point at Roy and assign the woes of this offense at his feet.