The Umpteenth Roy Williams Gripe Thread **Merge | Deion Apology Audio Post #589**

[casmith07]

Guru, you are somewhat right. However, now that teams are doubling Miles, he hasn't performed as well as he did. But, that is still not his fault. I'm sure that you, like I, watch tons of football on Sat. & Sun. And, something tells me that you like I watch some of the more explosive offenses and say "why the hell doesn't JG have them do this or that". Everytime I watch the Saints, I say to myself "they make it look too easy". Yet, I bet th scheme that Payton employs put his guys in their best positiosn to succeed. Take for example Reggie Bush - no longer do you see him attempting to run up the gut. EVERYTHING he does is outside the tackles. Colston is another example of simple efficiency. Every game of theirs that I watch, he gets started by running slants, crossing routes, etc...........everything seems to be within 0-7 yards. Once he has gotten underneath attention, they start sending him deep. Plus, they move him around to compensate for the lack of quickness off the line. Simple things that help create a dynamic machine.

More than anything, I think Garrett's ego is what is ruining the 'Boys O.

Our passing attack seems to be based on the big play or 12-15 yard gain, or nothing at all. At the game Sunday the Commanders were running a lot of single safety sets deep, basically shading the middle of the field all day, and Garrett kept calling these plays with all 3 or 4 of our guys at times running into traffic in the middle of the field. We needed to work the sidelines an take advantage of the deep coverage and we finally did on the last drive and Romo was 7 for 7.

We started out with a "take what the defense gives you" offense, but we've morphed into a "get the big play and when it doesn't work, shotgun it" offense...it's infuriating to watch.

 

[stilltheguru]

Broadus and other coaches at Valley Ranch. You know, the guys who actually watch game film.

Not the talking heads.

I'm not saying Roy is without blame. He has had some legit drops and a fumble. I'm just saying that it is far too simplistic a view to simply point at Roy and assign the woes of this offense at his feet.

But it's ok to put it at Romos feet? Yeah, because he doesn't have way more people at Valley Ranch who will vouch for what he does on the field than Roy eh? Got any links to these people claiming Roy is running good routes? Roy is way more to blame for the offensive woes than Romo is. I may not like Romo but I know hes atleast a good player. He isn't the "problem". Roy isn't even good, and neither is Garrett.

 

[BlindFaith]

It's the scheme. I would bet anybody on this board that, if Romo were Philly's QB OR if Romo was running Philly's offense with the offensive talent that the 'Boys have, BOTH offenses would be performing much better.

I'm as far off the Garrett bandwagon as one can be, and I agree that his play calling and game planning are poor. But, I feel Romo needs to be held accoutable as well.

Too many times I see people open only to have Romo throw it to the guy most covered. Too many times I see inaccurately thrown balls. Too many times I see him fail to sit in the pocket a deliver a pass on time.

 

[wileedog]

F Romo. His goofy, awe shucks, hey I'm just happy to be playing attitude has dried up and withered into what he really is, an undrafted, averaged armed QB, with no touch on a deep ball, marginal adeptness at reading coverages, poor timing from the pocket and the propensity to force a ball into coverage at the most inopportune time.

With a career 94.1 rating. With a 63% comp and 8.1 YPA.

He must be the luckiest guy in the universe to step on the field to suck so hard and yet have one of the best statistical first 3 years of any QB ever.

 

[Apollo Creed]

If Williams were the only one in the entire organization to have "gotten it right" this season, does that mean the team's record would currently be 8-2, 9-1 or 10-0?

As a matter of fact yes.

He was invisible in the Giants and Broncos game. Had he made a couple of plays in those games, or drawn coverage away from our actually productive pass catchers we may have been able to win either of those close games.

Had he not completely ****ed up in Green Bay, who knows what would've happened on that drive where the pass hit him in the face, or when he fumbled after that long catch.

Its easy to say that he isn't the reason we lost those games, but my argument is - he hasn't, in 20 games, helped this team win a game. He hasn't opened things up for us offensively, and outside of both games against the Bucs - he has been a complete non factor.

So the answer is yes. Had Roy Williams not been a complete bust we may have a much better record now.

 

[BlindFaith]

But it's ok to put it at Romos feet? Yeah, because he doesn't have way more people at Valley Ranch who will vouch for what he does on the field than Roy eh? Got any links to these people claiming Roy is running good routes? Roy is way more to blame for the offensive woes than Romo is. I may not like Romo but I know hes atleast a good player. He isn't the "problem". Roy isn't even good, and neither is Garrett.

Find it yourself. I'm not going to do your work just because I can remember and comprehend what I read.

And I can assure you that there have been more poorly thrown passes to Roy than passes that Roy has dropped. And that is on Romo.

And I would qualilfy Romo as average. But few average QBs lead their team to a superbowl.

 

[tomson75]

With a career 94.1 rating. With a 63% comp and 8.1 YPA.

He must be the luckiest guy in the universe to step on the field to suck so hard and yet have one of the best statistical first 3 years of any QB ever.

That guy's logic is tragic.

 

[wileedog]

And I can assure you that there have been more poorly thrown passes to Roy than passes that Roy has dropped. And that is on Romo.l.

Oh snap, the "because I say so" argument.

Pack it in fellas, this one's over.

 

[stilltheguru]

Find it yourself. I'm not going to do your work just because I can remember and comprehend what I read.

And I can assure you that there have been more poorly thrown passes to Roy than passes that Roy has dropped. And that is on Romo.

And I would qualilfy Romo as average. But few average QBs lead their team to a superbowl.

Lol ok. I just thought since you made the claim you would back it up. I haven't heard anyone say anything positive about that bums route running and I'm on here pretty frequently. Whatever though. Keep watching him put up zeros and blame it on Romo. While Miles and Patrick contribute.

 

[Stautner]

Find it yourself. I'm not going to do your work just because I can remember and comprehend what I read.

And I can assure you that there have been more poorly thrown passes to Roy than passes that Roy has dropped. And that is on Romo.

And I would qualilfy Romo as average. But few average QBs lead their team to a superbowl.

There are always going to be more misthrows than drops - that's just the nature of what a QB does versus what a WR does. 60% completion is great for a QB, but 60% catching balls that hit your hands is horrible for a WR. The problems with Roy don't disappear because Romo misthrows sometimes. A drop is still a drop, and failure to come up with some of the tougher catches is still failure to come up with tougher catches.

 

[Idgit]

That guy's logic is tragic.

BlindDespair.

 

[tomson75]

There are always going to be more misthrows than drops - that's just the nature of what a QB does versus what a WR does. 60% completion is great for a QB, but 60% catching balls that hit your hands is horrible for a WR. The problems with Roy don't disappear because Romo misthrows sometimes. A drop is still a drop, and failure to come up with some of the tougher catches is still failure to come up with tougher catches.

Well put.

 

[tomson75]

BlindDespair.

:laugh2:

He does sound rather scorned, doesn't he?

 

[DallasEast]

As a matter of fact yes.

He was invisible in the Giants and Broncos game. Had he made a couple of plays in those games, or drawn coverage away from our actually productive pass catchers we may have been able to win either of those close games.

Had he not completely ****ed up in Green Bay, who knows what would've happened on that drive where the pass hit him in the face, or when he fumbled after that long catch.

Its easy to say that he isn't the reason we lost those games, but my argument is - he hasn't, in 20 games, helped this team win a game. He hasn't opened things up for us offensively, and outside of both games against the Bucs - he has been a complete non factor.

So the answer is yes. Had Roy Williams not been a complete bust we may have a much better record now.

The Green Bay argument is debatable based on Williams' drops, but to state that he accounted directly for the New York and Denver losses is laughable to say the least.

 

[BlindFaith]

With a career 94.1 rating. With a 63% comp and 8.1 YPA.

He must be the luckiest guy in the universe to step on the field to suck so hard and yet have one of the best statistical first 3 years of any QB ever.

What a meaningless stat. Lets see where he is in 5 years.

So Romo is at three for all time greatest QB rating. Does that make him the third best QB of all time?

He is also the only one in the top 10 to not have won a playoff game.

I guess it also makes him better than Roger Staubach at 25 and Troy Aikman at 37.

 

[bbgun]

The Green Bay argument is debatable based on Williams' drops, but to state that he accounted directly for the New York and Denver losses is laughable to say the least.

Well he's certainly responsible for the KC victory. By not playing, that is.

 

[Stautner]

What a meaningless stat. Lets see where he is in 5 years.

So Romo is at three for all time greatest QB rating. Does that make him the third best QB of all time?

He is also the only one in the top 10 to not have won a playoff game.

I guess it also makes him better than Roger Staubach at 25 and Troy Aikman at 37.

This whole thing is on a tangent. Romo has been used to deflect attention away from the topic of Roy's problems.

No one blames Roy for not catching an uncatchable pass.

 

[BlindFaith]

Lol ok. I just thought since you made the claim you would back it up. I haven't heard anyone say anything positive about that bums route running and I'm on here pretty frequently. Whatever though. Keep watching him put up zeros and blame it on Romo. While Miles and Patrick contribute.

Yeah, Miles and Patrick have been lighting it up the last couple of weeks.

 

[wileedog]

What a meaningless stat. Lets see where he is in 5 years.

So Romo is at three for all time greatest QB rating. Does that make him the third best QB of all time?

He is also the only one in the top 10 to not have won a playoff game.

LOL! Which is why I pointed out the comp % and YPA. I left out 13,300 yards and 96 TDs in 3.5 seasons. He's on pace for another 4,000 yard season this year despite having what I consider some of the most mediocre WRs in the league (I'm not sold on Austin, Roy is a flop and Crayton is a JAG).

How many "averaged armed QBs, with no touch on a deep ball, marginal adeptness at reading coverages, poor timing from the pocket and the propensity to force a ball into coverage at the most inopportune time." do you see with those kinds of numbers?

I guess it also makes him better than Roger Staubach at 25 and Troy Aikman at 37.

Statistically yeah. I think if you put Romo on either one of those teams with Landry or Jimmy he wins just as many rings as those guys did. Both of those guys had powerhouse football teams, and neither were asked to shoulder the offensive load Tony is asked to. Both had superstars lined up at WR and RB, and solid offensive lines. Romo has HOF TE and some good, not great RBs, and an OLine held together with duct tape.

 

[BlindFaith]

This whole thing is on a tangent. Romo has been used to deflect attention away from the topic of Roy's problems.

No one blames Roy for not catching an uncatchable pass.

BS. There are plenty on here that will try and explain away the bad passes as poor route running.

What I'm trying to say as that between the scheme and the errant passes, Roy has been left with few opportunities. Most of those opportunities he's converted, he has had some inopportune drops and one fumble.

I know he has been open and not thrown to. I've seen it with my own eyes.

He is not the reason this offense is failing right now.

So who is?