The Wade Phillips Bandwagon?

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LeonDixson;3069909 said:
After the KC game I announced I was officially on the GROW committee. Our defense was stinking out loud especially on drives late in the game. I said that IF he couldn't even coach the defense up then I didn't want him. Impatience is not a good thing sometimes.

Hand me my crow and I'll gladly eat it for the time being at least. The defense is playing very well and the team, overall, has a better "Feel" to it than it has in years. It actually feels more like the early 90's to me than it has in recent years. It's starting to feel like a team you can trust.

Good post. I never hated Wade. I sort of always trusted him. He's got a great winning record during the regular season. So I figured give him a chance because not everyone can win the big one. And I heard peeps from San Diego say you'll like this guy, etc.

I'll post more on this tomorrow because I'm on campus at UT and short on time, but I'm intrigued by Phillips' potential and coaching style. I actually think he is a good head coach. I venture to say he may even keep his job next year.
 

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Doomsday101;3070042 said:
Oh please, Wade has alot to do with this teams success and it is not the players running the show.

Exactly. I feel sorry for those who can't see that just because he talks like an average joe. If the players are running the show, I wanna know who because those players will make good coaches. Of course, that's not the case and Wade has a lot to do with our current and past success.
 

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So, you, what, want a dance-off?
LOL

Just because you say? Gimme more than that weak stuff, fat boy.
And I say that will all due respect.
And let me say further that if you were not so uptight and nervous and stuff you could function better. function gooder.
:laugh2:

I guess you might be smartin from that logic lesson i gaves to yew a few days ago.
:)
 

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Chocolate Lab;3069874 said:
In the front seat if not driving.

Plenty of time for everyone else to hop on.


I've been saying ALL along that we were close. I think it's Wade's team now and the team has bought into his program entirely.
 

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CowboyMcCoy;3070561 said:
Exactly. I feel sorry for those who can't see that just because he talks like an average joe. If the players are running the show, I wanna know who because those players will make good coaches. Of course, that's not the case and Wade has a lot to do with our current and past success.

Nobody said that the players are running the show - that false characterization has already been debunked, but they certainly don't look to Wade for leadership. Also, not quite sure what past success you are referring to.
 

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I'd say I'm on it tentatively. I have never had a problem with the way Wade chooses to run the team. His demeanor sometimes comes off as having no clue what is going on, but I think he actually plays that up to the media.

What I see when I look at Wade is a coach who these Dallas Cowboy players love to play for. He is kind of like a father who is watching his children grow up a little at a time . The first few years he was here he always told the media the mistakes are on me, don't blame the players. This led to some of the comments the last few years from players that "everything is ok," and "we're fine," when in fact, there was some maturation which needed to take place. I believe this period may have been needed early on to allow this team to form an identity on their own, and has made the team stronger overall.

Now he has begun to point out, little by little, where we need to get better but he still doesn't throw anyone under the bus. He has demoted Crayton, and promoted those who have played well. This is like the father who realizes that his child has begun to mature and now needs to become a little more responsible and culpable for their actions. He still has times where he is overprotective, (I.E. halftime when he told Ratliff it wasn't his fault. Ratliff then showed Wade that he has matured and is ready to take responsibility for his actions.), but I think we will see Wade continue to put more responsibility on the players.

This leads to the final step, the step where the father(coach) realizes his child has matured into an adult and while they still need guidance sometimes, their child (team) has to take full responsibility for their actions. In other words, if Wade is allowed to continue to be the coach of this team, I believe he will they will mature into a fine football team and that Wade will be rewarded by the players who he allowed to grow with not only his first playoff win as a head coach, but just maybe something bigger (although that last step may not be this year).
 

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CowboysPhan;3070527 said:
Personally I like Wade and I've always felt that he had the potential to lead us to the Promised Land. I know he doesn't exhibit the personality that we usually see from head coaches, and that he doesn't chew out players publicly or point the finger at players publicly, but I believe that is one reason players respect him and want to play well for him. I am a school teacher and my personality is somewhat like him, in that I'm not a harsh disciplinarian. Instead I show my kids more respect than other teachers do, but I set high standards for them and am relentless in demanding that they live up to them. Never raise my voice or get in their face. Yet I have fewer discipline problems than the other teachers, because the kids know I've got their backs. Early in my career I tried to be like the harsher teachers who seemed so successful, but the kids saw right through me and lost respect.
The point is that I think Wade's way works for him as well as other coaches' ways work for them. We don't need to expect him to be like other coaches. All we need to expect is results.
That brings me to my next point. When Jerry said he was keeping Wade after last season for "continuity" a lot of people on this board and elsewhere had a meltdown because they thought that meant "same methods/same results." In my mind, continuity meant that Jerry knew Wade was trying to build the team his way and that he needed more time to continue to do that. Obviously Jerry didn't extend his contract because he wanted to see if it looked promising. Now we're starting to see the results of Wade making the team over in his image. Eventually coaches get things in place the way they want them, then the success starts. Teams used to know this and give coaches at least 5 years to get it going. Ever since Jimmy came in and blew the curve, everyone expects a super bowl win in three or four years or the bum's out the door for the next flavor. Problem is, every time you switch coaches it's back to square one, bringing in his guys, teaching his philosophy, getting players to buy into it, etc. Takes time folks. Oh sure, you see an occasional quick starter like in Denver, but remember in Wade's first year he had us at 13-3 as well. Parcells first year we went 10-6 and the playoffs. The new change sometimes yields quick improvements, but then things backslide until the coach gets it all built his way. Here's where I'm going with this novel.
I think Wade should get an extension so he can continue to build his program. Teams that are patient with their coaches often reap great rewards down the road. (see Tom Landry).
I'm still driving that bandwagon. :)

I agree with this post
 

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I understand on the back of Wade's bandwagon. there is a sticker that reads, Don't like my driving?...Log on to cowboyszone.com.
 

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CoCo;3070020 said:
We're 3rd in yards gained on offense

We're 20th in yards allowed on defense.

But the offense is a problem and the defense is not. Okay.


ya i don't drink the kool aid.....our defense has has always been in the position to make the big play these guys just never executed....
as of 4 weeks our offense has been clicking....thank god....
WADE is a solid D coach...without a doubt....

I am still not sold on RED.....
 

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Doomsay;3070664 said:
Nobody said that the players are running the show - that false characterization has already been debunked, but they certainly don't look to Wade for leadership. Also, not quite sure what past success you are referring to.

And you know this how? Certainly they don't look to him? Wade is well respected, coaches like Dan Reeves has spoken very highly about Wade ability as a coach. Brooking came to Dallas in large part because of Phillips. Yet you sit there and say he is not looked to for leadership? Prove it
 

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Wades playoff bandwagon.:D
 

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Doomsday101;3070906 said:
And you know this how? Certainly they don't look to him? Wade is well respected, coaches like Dan Reeves has spoken very highly about Wade ability as a coach. Brooking came to Dallas in large part because of Phillips. Yet you sit there and say he is not looked to for leadership? Prove it

Where was it the last two years? Why is a team that imploded last year suddenly stable this year?

Is it because Wade got a Leadership Transplant, or because they got rid of anyone and everyone who could remotely cause trouble and brought in guys like Brooking? I mean even Ellis got shipped out and all he ever complained about was his bank account.

And Brooking will happily play for a guy like Wade because he is a player who takes it upon himself to succeed. He doesn't need Wade to push him or hold him accountable. Heck, he was the one pointing out the 'soft' practices when he got here.

I'm sure Wade is very well liked by the players. That's not the same as leading.
 

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wileedog;3070941 said:
Where was it the last two years? Why is the team suddenly stable this year?

Is it because Wade got a Leadership Transplant, or because they got rid of anyone and everyone who could remotely cause trouble and brought in guys like Brooking? I mean even Ellis got shipped out and all he ever complained about was his bank account.

And Brooking will happily play for a guy like Wade because he is a player who takes it upon himself to succeed. He doesn't need Wade to push him or hold him accountable. Heck, he was the one pointing out the 'soft' practices when he got here.

I'm sure Wade is very well liked by the players. That's not the same as leading.

Other teams get rid of problem players Dallas is far from the only one. Wade takes the heat and rightfully so when this team does not perform he damn sure deserves the credit for the winning. He took over a 9-7 when he got here that is fact, he got that team to 13-3 and an NFC East title something this franchise has not seen since Switzer that is a fact his worse season thus far was 9-7 very disappointing but yet a winning record and now sitting at 6-2 when most was writing this team off and has this team playing as an entire team offense, defense and special teams. Yes he is 0-4 in post season but it only takes 1 season of success in post season to change that around.
 

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I'm on it; heck i'd give him a 2 yr extension. Yeah, i said it.
 

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How about we clinch a playoff spot before we hitch this thing up?

Better yet, go beat Green Bay.
 

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Doomsday101;3070959 said:
He took over a 9-7 when he got here that is fact, he got that team to 13-3 and an NFC East title something this franchise has not seen since Switzer

You kind of just shot your own argument in the foot. Barry Switzer is proof positive you neither need to be a leader or even a particularly good football coach to win. If you have the right combination of talent and self discipline on your team you can pretty much coast on by.

Now I think Wade is miles and miles ahead of Barry, but pointing out Wade's record doesn't necessarily reflect on his leadership skills.

The team imploded last year and Wade was powerless to stop it. Even this year they have trouble getting the right personnel in the right place because they are worried about someone's feelings getting hurt. Have you ever seen a team break camp and go with an "every other game" starter at CB? Where would we even be now if Roy doesn't hurt his ribs and Miles doesn't play much in KC?

I'm glad we're winning and Wade the DC is getting better every week. I still don't believe we have an effective HC on this team.
 

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rynochop;3070963 said:
I'm on it; heck i'd give him a 2 yr extension. Yeah, i said it.

I hope he can get that and while I do support our HC he has to earn that extension and can do so by getting his team over the hump something that no one else has been able to do since 1996
 

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wileedog;3070966 said:
You kind of just shot your own argument in the foot. Barry Switzer is proof positive you neither need to be a leader or even a particularly good football coach to win. If you have the right combination of talent and self discipline on your team you can pretty much coast on by.

Now I think Wade is miles and miles ahead of Barry, but pointing out Wade's record doesn't necessarily reflect on his leadership skills.

The team imploded last year and Wade was powerless to stop it. Even this year they have trouble getting the right personnel in the right place because they are worried about someone's feelings getting hurt. Have you ever seen a team break camp and go with an "every other game" starter at CB? Where would we even be know if Roy doesn't hurt his ribs and Miles doesn't play much in KC?

I'm glad we're winning and Wade the DC is getting better every week. I still don't believe we have an effective HC on this team.

How is that Wade took over a 9-7 team and looking at many of the starters on this team now it is not the same as it was when he took over. Switzer took over a team that had won back to back SB this is no where near the same thing
 
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