The Wade Phillips Bandwagon?

[adbutcher]

And you know this how? Certainly they don't look to him? Wade is well respected, coaches like Dan Reeves has spoken very highly about Wade ability as a coach. Brooking came to Dallas in large part because of Phillips. Yet you sit there and say he is not looked to for leadership? Prove it

It is pretty easy to talk out the waste canal, no proof necessary.

 

[wileedog]

How is that Wade took over a 9-7 team and looking at many of the starters on this team now it is not the same as it was when he took over. Switzer took over a team that had won back to back SB this is no where near the same thing

The 9-7 team had Romo for his first 10 games as a starter. Wade got him from game 1 and with 3/4 a year under his belt. Love him or hate him this team goes as Romo goes.

13-3 is nice, but then he lets his QB go to Cabo, causing a huge distraction, and they lose in the first round to a team they beat twice in the season.

Last year was not just 9-7, it was a total team meltdown. 44-6, one of the lowest moments in this team's history, is on Wade's watch. Not to mention the defensive embarrassment against the Ravens in the last game at Texas Stadium.

Sorry, 6-2 doesn't wash that all away just yet.

 

[Monster Heel]

13-3 is nice, but then he lets his QB go to Cabo, causing a huge distraction, and they lose in the first round to a team they beat twice in the season.

I largely agree with what you posted, but how is Romo going to Cabo Wade's fault? That's squarely on Tony Romo. When you start talking about how a coach should handle a player's personal life that's too much.

 

[Doomsday101]

The 9-7 team had Romo for his first 10 games as a starter. Wade got him from game 1 and with 3/4 a year under his belt. Love him or hate him this team goes as Romo goes.

13-3 is nice, but then he lets his QB go to Cabo, causing a huge distraction, and they lose in the first round to a team they beat twice in the season.

Last year was not just 9-7, it was a total team meltdown. 44-6, one of the lowest moments in this team's history, is on Wade's watch. Not to mention the defensive embarrassment against the Ravens in the last game at Texas Stadium.

Sorry, 6-2 doesn't wash that all away just yet.

As BP said you are what you are under him we did not win a playoff game under his we achived 9-7. Romo is a big part so is guys like Sensabaugh and Brooking so is Jenkins and Scandrick Dallas has scored points now we have players who can actually make a final stand to pull out the win.

This team is playing hard for Phillips and getting rid of headcases which other teams have had to do to as well to try to keep their teams from splitting one big one TO who could not manage in SF and Philly for the same damn reason.

Wade critics will never give him the credit I get that, this team could make it to the SB and Wade would still not get the credit really no need to continue since you and the brick wall have something in common.

As for me yes I give credit where it is due and while I do like Wade and feel he is doing a good job with this team I still feel he must earn any extensions by leading this team into post season and doing something once they get there, if not then we should move on

 

[DFWJC]

The bandwagon tries to pull out of the barn but that Wade is just too plain fat and heavy for the horses to pull.

These Cowboys are winning without much help from Wade. WP is a figure head.

During a game Wade's look is more blank than a Fargo winter landscape, blanker than Plaxico Burris' charity-appearances schedule on the night he shot hisself, blanker than Jerra's books-to-read schedule. Blanker than the Cowboys Cheerleaders' director's list on scholastic achievement. Well, you get the point.

Funny lines, but you have no clue...if you think he's clueless.

 

[wileedog]

I largely agree with what you posted, but how is Romo going to Cabo Wade's fault? That's squarely on Tony Romo. When you start talking about how a coach should handle a player's personal life that's too much.

If Parcells was still the coach, you think Romo is in Mexico a week before the game? No chance.

Not absolving Romo, but we're talking about whether the HC is in charge or not.

 

[Doomsday101]

If Parcells was still the coach, you think Romo is in Mexico a week before the game? No chance.

Not absolving Romo, but we're talking about whether the HC is in charge or not.

Like BP had any control over LT when he was in NY? LT would hold out almost every year because he did not want to attend training camp and what did BP do? Not one damn thing.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

If Parcells was still the coach, you think Romo is in Mexico a week before the game? No chance.

Not absolving Romo, but we're talking about whether the HC is in charge or not.

There is no doubt in my mind that players took vacations during bye weeks when Parcells was around. No doubt in my mind. We just didn't hear about it. And I'm sure it happens on other teams too. Don't kid yourself.

 

[wileedog]

As BP said you are what you are under him we did not win a playoff game under his we achived 9-7.

Just stop with this, its the worst recurring argument on this board.

In his entire career Wade has never ever been handed a team NEARLY as devoid of talent as the 2003 Cowboys. Bill went 3 and half years with scrubs and retreads at QB, Wade inherited a franchise guy on day 1. Enough comparing apples to oranges by using a Parcells quote that is entirely out of context.

This team is playing hard for Phillips

Are they? Or are they playing hard because the entire focus of our drafting for the past 6 years has been to find solid hard working guys like Ware, Rat, Newman and Wit et al, and we got rid of the elements of the team that detracted from that? Why couldn't he get them to play hard last year? Or at the end of 2007?

Wade critics will never give him the credit I get that, this team could make it to the SB and Wade would still not get the credit really no need to continue since you and the brick wall have something in common.

Hi kettle?

I give Wade full credit for being an excellent DC. I'm not convinced that the mental turnaround this team has made should be automatically dumped at his feet because he has shown no evidence in the past that he can accomplish that, and I really think that 90% of the players on this team would run through a wall for just about any coach.

As for me yes I give credit where it is due and while I do like Wade and feel he is doing a good job with this team I still feel he must earn any extensions by leading this team into post season and doing something once they get there, if not then we should move on

Hos put it best. Even if we win the SB, I'm not convinced Wade Phillips is the best HC we can possibly have for this football team.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Like BP had any control over LT when he was in NY? LT would hold out almost every year because he did not want to attend training camp and what did BP do? Not one damn thing.

Jimmy let certain players live by certain rules too. Parcells warned Romo on his status as a player before he left. Phillips was to busy pretending Parcells didn't know what he was talking about. Seems to me Romo and Phillips should have paid more attention to what Parcells had to say.

 

[Bach]

We'll find out in December and January.

I will say I'm pleasantly surprised by their play the last month, but there's a ways to go. Enjoying it at the moment though.

 

[Doomsday101]

Jimmy let certain players live by certain rules too. Parcells warned Romo on his status as a player before he left. Phillips was to busy pretending Parcells didn't know what he was talking about. Seems to me Romo and Phillips should have paid more attention to what Parcells had to say.

Seems to me BP did not have a single win in post season in Dallas. I like BP but the sun does not rise and fall because of him. He has had his share of problems and the cop out well some guys get away with more and that is alright but if Phillips does it well that is lack of leadership and being a fool is pretty short sighted. I don't think Wade is perfect then again I don't think any HC is, as great as the Saints with Sean Peyton look this year they did not look that great last season going 8-8 very disappointing and big drop off from the year before.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Seems to me BP did not have a single win in post season in Dallas. I like BP but the sun does not rise and fall because of him. He has had his share of problems and the cop out well some guys get away with more and that is alright but if Phillips does it well that is lack of leadership and being a fool is pretty short sighted. I don't think Wade is perfect then again I don't think any HC is, as great as the Saints with Sean Peyton look this year they did not look that great last season going 8-8 very disappointing and big drop off from the year before.

Well that went right over your head. It's not about wins and loses. It's about coaching players. Parcells knew he had to keep a tight leash on a QB who came out of no where. Phillips had no clue. Parcells and Jimmy let "SOME guys" get away with more. Phillips lets ALL guys get away with it.

 

[Mitcha68]

I am, cause I like hamburgers...

 

[Doomsday101]

Well that went right over your head. It's not about wins and loses. It's about coaching players. Parcells knew he had to keep a tight leash on a QB who came out of no where. Phillips had no clue. Parcells and Jimmy let "SOME guys" get away with more. Phillips lets ALL guys get away with it.

BP keeping the QB on a tight leash what like Phil Simms? I like BP but the sun does not raise and fall with him. Wade has this team playing good and playing like a team that he deserves his fair share of credit, if he fails he will deserve his fair share of the blame like any HC at any level.

This ideal that Wade is to blame for failure and players are the reason for the success is a cop out.

I have seen the post that because Wade is so called soft that is the reason for the late season melt downs yet this franchise has been having late season meltdowns before Wade ever took over, BP did not have a winning december once as the HC of the Cowboys.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

BP keeping the QB on a tight leash what like Phil Simms? I like BP but the sun does not raise and fall with him. Wade has this team playing good and playing like a team that he deserves his fair share of credit, if he fails he will deserve his fair share of the blame like any HC at any level.

This ideal that Wade is to blame for failure and players are the reason for the success is a cop out.

I have seen the post that because Wade is so called soft that is the reason for the late season melt downs yet this franchise has been having late season meltdowns before Wade ever took over, BP did not have a winning december once as the HC of the Cowboys.

Simms was drafted in the first round by the New York Giants of the National Football League (NFL) with the number seven selection overall in the 1979 NFL Draft. Simms played his entire professional career with the Giants and was named Most Valuable Player (MVP) of Super Bowl XXI, after he led the Giants to a 39–20 victory over the Denver Broncos and set the former record for highest completion percentage in a playoff game,

Yeah, like Simms.

 

[Doomsday101]

Simms was drafted in the first round by the New York Giants of the National Football League (NFL) with the number seven selection overall in the 1979 NFL Draft. Simms played his entire professional career with the Giants and was named Most Valuable Player (MVP) of Super Bowl XXI, after he led the Giants to a 39–20 victory over the Denver Broncos and set the former record for highest completion percentage in a playoff game,

Yeah, like Simms.

But Romo needs to be on a tight leash because BP said so? Simms had his share of failure before he achived many of those goals and did so at the hands of the Cowboys on many occations.

 

[jobberone]

What's the definition of a successful coach? You need to answer that before you declare Wade one way or the other.

My definition of a successful coach is one who keeps his team competitive year in and out. You can't measure success by SBs entirely. Landry only won two in all those years. You can measure it by the number and type of postseason success IMO. But you cannot condemn a coach for a lack of success in the postseaon unless they have been in one place long enough to either achieve that or not. Landry got the time to prove over time he could get teams to the postseason and finally win in that scenario. He certainly wasn't successful in the postseason initially.

Leave Wade alone long enough to achieve or not achieve. I think he'll get us into the postseason on a regular basis. He has the owner necessary to do that if he holds up his end.

Then you can judge him on his success ratio in the postseason. Right now his sample size is just too small.

If he continues with his current winning percentage here (28-13=.683) then he should receive a contract extension. I'm not even sure losing a playoff game will cause Jerry to make a change.

Think of it from Jerry's standpoint. Are you going to get rid of your HC whom is also your DC and elevate your OC to HC when your DC is showing signs of producing an outstanding defense? One to go along with an outstanding offense?

My guess is you do that if you're convinced your HC can't win playoff games and you can find a replacement DC whom can build on that defensive success and not screw it up. That may not be an easy thing to do.

I'm not on any bandwagon as I'm not certain myself of our postseason success. My guess is we will experience some success this year.

It's hard to argue with the fact we have been and remain competitive including last year as well. Ok excluding the final game but that's been rectified.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

But Romo needs to be on a tight leash because BP said so? Simms had his share of failure before he achived many of those goals and did so at the hands of the Cowboys on many occations.

Not because he says so, because he knew it. It's just that simple.

 

[DFWJC]

There is no doubt in my mind that players took vacations during bye weeks when Parcells was around. No doubt in my mind. We just didn't hear about it. And I'm sure it happens on other teams too. Don't kid yourself.

Of course there is no doubt...in fact it is stated fact that everything pretty much shut down completely on bye weeks when BP was here. He was a real advocate of R&R during that week.