The Walking Dead Season 6-Episodes 9-16 *SPOILERS*

[Junglist]

Yes...good grief, monday mornings are for the birds.

Yes word is they are doing Boondock Saints 3

Oh, really? I wonder why? No way the 2nd one did well enough to make a 3rd. I'll still watch it, though. Lol

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Oh, really? I wonder why? No way the 2nd one did well enough to make a 3rd. I'll still watch it, though. Lol

http://www.ifc.com/2012/09/norman-reedus-boondock-saints-3

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The Negan-character was very good.

The beginning of the episode was very good.

But the rest of it? You had about an hours worth of fill.

The Carol/Morgan thing was disjointed.

The ending was bad.

 

[JoeKing]

I lost respect for the show. They chose to go with a cheesy cliffhanger ending and combined it with a Soprano's ripoff. They simply sold out to the commercial revenue as well. 30 minutes worth of content . They show has the viewership to do without the cliffhanger ending . They could have shown the person that was killed and had the show end with an exchange between Neagan and Rick to set up next season. When you are the top rated cable show , you don't have to use gimmicks to maintain viewership. I thought the show had more integrity than this. I don't care who got killed at this point and I am not mad about not knowing. I just think it was uncalled for. The scenes with Carol seemed more like a distraction than part of the plot. I simply expected a better quality season finale .

So you won't continue watching the show? We'll miss your contributions to the conversation next season, but no one expects you to watch a show for which you have lost respect. Guess we'll just have to catch you in a different thread.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

The Negan-character was very good.

The beginning of the episode was very good.

But the rest of it? You had about an hours worth of fill.

The Carol/Morgan thing was disjointed.

The ending was bad.

100% Agree with everything. I think they will look back on this episode and realize it was poorly executed.

 

[JoeKing]

The Negan-character was very good.

The beginning of the episode was very good.

But the rest of it? You had about an hours worth of fill.

The Carol/Morgan thing was disjointed.

The ending was bad.

Agree about the Negan character... great casting, IMO. I liked how just about the whole show involved Rick's group trying to avoid Negan's group and just get Maggie to a doctor. Negan would not be denied the confrontation he desired with Rick. Negan truly is the star of his own movie. I actually liked the way the story ended. It was predictable... really the way it had to go but still shocking in it's cruelty. Knowing who was on the receiving end of Lucille really does belong in the next story, next season.

I don't think of the Carol/Morgan storyline disjointed at all. It's just another branch on the same tree. Carol is in pretty bad shape as well so I don't think she is coming to the rescue as she has done in the past. I think Morgan will get her to the Hilltop doctor where they will later be joined up with Rick and the gang after Negan is done with them.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I don't think of the Carol/Morgan storyline disjointed at all. It's just another branch on the same tree. Carol is in pretty bad shape as well so I don't think she is coming to the rescue as she has done in the past. I think Morgan will get her to the Hilltop doctor where they will later be joined up with Rick and the gang after Negan is done with them.

Don't think it's the Hilltop doctor she'll be seeing.

 

[JoeKing]

Don't think it's the Hilltop doctor she'll be seeing.

Could be. The guys that own the horses could have their own doctor.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

100% Agree with everything. I think they will look back on this episode and realize it was poorly executed.

The had some nuggets of a terrific finale.

But then the hack ending blew all the good they had done.

Imagine the reaction today if they had whacked Glenn, Daryl or Abraham right then and there– it would have been gut-wrenching.

But showing them getting clipped next October? It will be like a popcorn fart.

They substituted a true "Alexandrian" for a main character with the arrow through the eye (it was Abraham in the graphic novel), I think you're going to find the only true "Alexandrian" at the kneel down getting "Lucilled".

 

[JoeKing]

The had some nuggets of a terrific finale.

But then the hack ending blew all the good they had done.

Imagine the reaction today if they had whacked Glenn, Daryl or Abraham right then and there– it would have been gut-wrenching.

But showing them getting clipped next October? It will be like a popcorn fart.

They substituted a true "Alexandrian" for a main character with the arrow through the eye (it was Abraham in the graphic novel), I think you're going to find the only true "Alexandrian" at the kneel down getting "Lucilled".

Aaron? Wow. that would be disappointing after a 6 month wait.

 

[speedkilz88]

The had some nuggets of a terrific finale.

But then the hack ending blew all the good they had done.

Imagine the reaction today if they had whacked Glenn, Daryl or Abraham right then and there– it would have been gut-wrenching.

But showing them getting clipped next October? It will be like a popcorn fart.

They substituted a true "Alexandrian" for a main character with the arrow through the eye (it was Abraham in the graphic novel), I think you're going to find the only true "Alexandrian" at the kneel down getting "Lucilled".

If they truly gave hints, I wonder if they really do change the Neegan character and have him kill a woman. He likely knew that Michonne and Rick were an item -- cue the Carl & Rick comment.

 

[JoeKing]

If they truly gave hints, I wonder if they really do change the Neegan character and have him kill a woman. He likely knew that Michonne and Rick were an item -- cue the Carl & Rick comment.

I don't think Richonne is known to Negan a this point. From what's been revealed on this thread, Negan not killing woman is a principle central to his modus operando. Figuring out Carl was Rick's son was easy. Michone being Rick's main squeeze... not so much.

 

[iceberg]

I know they were leaving Eugene to drive the RV on his own while the rest of them went on foot with maggie but it seemed a little over the top with the goodbyes and thank yous for a split up. Seems like heavy setup for him being the one that gets killed and especially after he starts coming into his own.

Also, with Carol being gone with Morgan...seems like another possible setup for her to help out the group in some fashion ala terminus.

and passing on the note of how to make bullets - i can only think eugene is the one at this point. too much was really happening to him and his "goodbyes" were not just once but two to three times.

the flip side is GLEN / DARYL GLEN / DARYL...

oh - eugene...

makes you wonder if that's the case if there's a let down we waited 6 months for THAT.

 

[iceberg]

Could be. The guys that own the horses could have their own doctor.

except that according to you if it's not been brought up in the storyline - it can't happen. a-la making your own crossbow bolts. since no one ever mentioned it can be done, to you, it can't. so since they've not said they have a doctor, they can't have one.

your logic, not mine.

 

[Doomsday]

I know they were leaving Eugene to drive the RV on his own while the rest of them went on foot with maggie but it seemed a little over the top with the goodbyes and thank yous for a split up. Seems like heavy setup for him being the one that gets killed and especially after he starts coming into his own.

Throw in the whole bullet angle and he does make sense. It would be some one fitting that Rick's group takes them down with the bullets designed by the guy who was killed by Negan.

Are the guys with the horses in the comic book?

 

[Dallas_Cowboys50]

They want everybody talkin about it for 6 months, trying to emulate GoT and whether or not Jon Snow is truly dead or if he'll be brought back to life....Im still just as pissed as last night, but I know I wont even care anymore in 3 weeks when GoT comes back, and then of course the Draft.....

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Throw in the whole bullet angle and he does make sense. It would be some one fitting that Rick's group takes them down with the bullets designed by the guy who was killed by Negan.

Are the guys with the horses in the comic book?

Yes...they live in a place they call the Kingdom (although it is a high school) and they have a leader named Ezeikiel (sp?)....I don't know much beyond that as I have not gotten that far in the comic, just gathered that info from a friend.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Okay...first let me get the good out of the way.


I thought the episode was great for the most part. The build, and tension, to the end of the episode where we're all just waiting for the payoff...Rick getting a glimpse of just how much trouble they're really in, before they do get them surrounded and now he knows just how much trouble they're really in.

Brilliant.

Secondly I LOVED JDM as Negan. He was absolutely 100% spot on gold. Brilliant. Fantastic. Everything I wanted out of the character. A great deal of the dialogue in that final scene is straight out of the comic and he hit it out of the park, no pun intended. Just fantastic.

Andrew Lincoln....Brilliant. His hopeless, crushed, defeated look was absolutely perfect. He absolutely caught and showed the gravity and the horrible nature of the moment they were in. He was absolutely everything I wanted out of Rick to that point. Amazing work.

I loved that they went with Carl not being afraid of Negan and Negan being intrigued by it. Brilliant call and so well done. Excellent move here. I am looking forward to the next arc of this between these two for sure.

I LOVED that Abraham showed absolutely zero fear the entire time of Negan or the situation. I loved it. You need at least one of the main characters to show that defiant backbone. The look that they simply can not be forced to fear someone or something. I loved that. Great job.

So all around I felt that the second half of this season and this episode did just the perfect job of building to the moment. Building the tension. Getting the hearts pounding, the goosebumps coming, and our breathing to be just out of control and....


****ed it all up in 2 seconds.


Seriously one of the single dumbest decisions and moves in TV ever. Absolutely, completely, and totally destroyed the moment with that ******** cliffhanger ending. As some others have mentioned already, and I agree 100% with you folks, they killed the moment. They killed the impact of the single biggest, most iconic, most important character defining moment in the entire run of this show (Or the comic) in order to be cute and hope they draw a ******** rating for their season opening.


Seriously the producers of this show just completely ****ed up their entire build and wasted the big moment for Negan. They won't get that back. It doesn't matter how they do the season opener for Season 7 they can not recreate the tension, build, and moment that they had right there. They completely screwed the moment, the Negan character, the pain and anguish of the situation. They completely screwed the fans. Absolutely stupid.

I'd be lying if I didn't say I hope, I really do, that they draw the worst rating for their show ever when it returns in October. I mean I absolutely hope it draws a pitiful, piss poor, terrible rating. It's exactly what they'd deserve if it does. Just absolutely stupid as hell and I can not convey that enough.



Now onto the obligatory discussion of who it is since the writers chose to be **** heads.

As was mentioned they made it clear it's not Rick or Carl by what Negan said. So we can put them on the shelf, not that anyone should have honestly believed they were an option to begin with. You can put Michionne, Sasha, Maggie, and Rosita on the shelf as well because it's clear by the way they had JDM play Negan that they're going to portray the character correctly and therefore they're not having him beat a woman to death with a baseball bat.

You can throw Aaron out because it has zero impact to the overall life of the characters. As the producers have said (even though they're on my **** list right now) the death is going to change the lives and directions of the people. That means it's definitely a main character. So you can shelve Aaron here.


That's going to leave Daryl, Glenn, Abraham, and Eugene. I'll say right now that you can shelve Eugene because it most certainly wont be him. He is too important to the next part of this story. I realize they went out of their way to make you believe that he's the guy with the hug and him giving Rick how to make bullets but it simply won't be him. It won't hit everyone hard enough. It would hit Abraham, Rosita, and maybe Rick really hard but it wouldn't really hurt Daryl and Glenn and everyone quite the same. So shelve him here as well.


Could go with Abraham here because he is the only guy who showed absolute defiance to the mystic and power of Negan. He showed him absolutely zero fear and even almost dared Negan to pick him by the way he sits straight up to look him in the eyes. So there is potential here that they'll go with Abraham. Tie that along with the fact that Abraham just admitted that he's ready to have children and move on to a family and such and I can see this happening. The only hang up I have here is what they'd do with the Sasha character who hasn't been that long getting over her spell of going absolutely stupid over the loss of Bob and Tyrese. So I can't see them really killing Abraham here and putting her into another potential tailspin. So I'll shelve Abraham here as well.


Now that gets me back to the two I felt like all along it's coming down to. Glenn and Daryl. As everyone knows from my posts here I've been leaning really heavy toward Daryl all along. I still have the feeling that's where it's going. I still feel like they're going Daryl. There is the emotional loss to the fans (Although they've ruined that to a large degree now with this cliff hanger ****) but it would be a HUGE loss to the core of the group as they've had Daryl with them since the beginning. And with him getting shot last episode and we see that he's alive and it appears he'd dodged death again I feel like it's still going to be him.

But let me make the case now that I do see where they could finally go right along with the comic and make it Glenn. They had a great moment for Glenn last night wanting to fight for Maggie. That moment alone might buy him not being the one. Cause I mean he was the dude with the biggest out burst that makes it kind of easy if Negan picks him. But I think now for all the reasons they picked Glenn in the comic book they may very well pick Glenn in the TV show.

It's emotional. It's a HUGE loss to the original group and to Maggie in particular it will push her toward that leadership role. It's a loss that she will be so heavy with grief about. And they've built this so big as well with Rick telling her all through the episode that there is still more, still better, for her. Making her believe that everything will be fine and Rick is going to do everything again, as he always has. She believes in him. Which she will again, after a brief emotional outburst being pissed off at him for Glenn's death.

The tone has been set for it to be Glenn. I would not be surprised if they finally went the way of the comic book and went right down the line with what happens.


I'm still leaning toward Daryl but I have about convinced myself that it could very well be Glenn.

 

[CowboyGil]

I'm leaning toward Glenn. It would definitely affect the group the most emotionally. Especially after his outburst. And the hope for normalcy that him & Maggie are bringing to the group with the baby.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

From looking at reviews and "The Walking Dead" forums... the finale has been pretty much been given a big thumbs down.