The word around town on Brian Waters

[NorthwestDallas40]

Sorry. But this makes no sense. Players are offering a service, they aren't obligated to play for any price owners choose.

Do you work no matter people would pay you?

I would agree with you in a normal free agent situation. But this guy sat on his couch for a year over money. Now, he is sitting on his couch, not coming to training camp, and will likely sit out another year (or retire) if he does not get paid his price. Seems to me that he is not committed to football, but the principle of "show me the money"...

 

[Cowboys22]

I'm pretty sure Dallas will sign Waters sometime in the next few days.

Just too much smoke for there to be no fire.

He doesn't want to sign while there is still a bunch of training camp to go. That's why his price is so high right now. It will come down when it's time to show up and play real games.

 

[speedkilz88]

He doesn't want to sign while there is still a bunch of training camp to go. That's why his price is so high right now. It will come down when it's time to show up and play real games.

That's what Belicheat said.

 

[T-RO]

I would agree with you in a normal free agent situation. But this guy sat on his couch for a year over money. Now, he is sitting on his couch, not coming to training camp, and will likely sit out another year (or retire) if he does not get paid his price. Seems to me that he is not committed to football, but the principle of "show me the money"...

I would have more problems with a guy who didn't want every dollar he could get.

Players who don't want dollars and don't manage their business are players lacking a brain in their head. I don't want such players.

 

[Cowboys22]

That's what Belicheat said.

I didn't say it will come way down and if it doesn't then he doesn't really want to play. Most accounts say he is in good shape, feels refreshed, and wants to play close to home. If so, he will come down a little on his demands. If not, he'll likely sit out again and probably won't play again.

 

[FiveRings]

Could we have had Waters and Moore? Say they cost, as a pair 5.5 mill. Would the money have been there?

 

[gimmesix]

I didn't say it will come way down and if it doesn't then he doesn't really want to play. Most accounts say he is in good shape, feels refreshed, and wants to play close to home. If so, he will come down a little on his demands. If not, he'll likely sit out again and probably won't play again.

I'm just giddy that Dallas is trying to do something other than just hope Bernadeau and Livings will be fine. That's a positive sign to me.

That and the fact that they aren't just looking for the next nobody they hope can be somebody. They are actually considering (and trying to sign in Moore's case at least) vets with some Pro Bowl skins on the wall.

Now, granted, we don't know what these former Pro Bowlers have left, but it's much better to me than shopping off the bargain rack again.

With the development we're seeing from Leary and Frederick and the addition of Waters, there's possibly reason to feel good about this line for the first time in four or five years.

 

[gimmesix]

Could we have had Waters and Moore? Say they cost, as a pair 5.5 mill. Would the money have been there?

Yes.

 

[speedkilz88]

Could we have had Waters and Moore? Say they cost, as a pair 5.5 mill. Would the money have been there?

If you are ok with letting some of our contract guys go. They want to get a new deal done with Lee and others are coming up right after.

 

[Fredd]

If they are going to do something with OG, then do it already....it does nothing but piss off the other OL that we are shopping for a Guard...perhaps that should light a fire under them? Who knows...you would think Berny, Livings, et al would be motivated just knowing that Fred and Leary are young and out-playing them.

Crap or get off the pot with this scenario

 

[TheSport78]

I'll bet you anything that Garrett is pushing hard for Waters. He knows how hot his seat is. It's now or never and he can't risk his future job security on bums like Livings and Bernadeau. Ugh, I hate just typing their names. lol

Jerry and Stephen probably have no issues with handing Bernadrau the starting job, which is a problem.

 

[21Savage]

I never understood the infatuation with Moore, who I didn't think was a better player than Bernadeau at the end of last year. But this guy is a different beast and the same animal-Kobe.

I turned on the tape of the last game he played and he didn't have any problems with the giants in the Super Bowl. They had JPP over him for a lot of the game and had no issues with his quickness while bulling him in the run game.

Well then, that sounds all well and good, but how did he perform against Ngata in the championship game 2 weeks prior you ask? Was stout agains him. Did as good a job as you'd see a player do. There was one play where Ngata almost got him with a jab and swim move where he recovered and just shoved him to the ground. Very impressive! So in his last 2 games, he played at a probowl level against 2 of the highest level players in our league and as sharp a contrast as you can find in DT styles.

As opposed to Moore who already started dropping off at 32, this guy was every bit as good as he's been his whole career at 36. Now with a year off itching for football and supposedly rejuvenated. He's also very good fit for the ZBS and should've maintained his quickness barring a precipitous decline, which I deem unlikely based on his most recent performance.

Regardless, I'll think he needs at least a month to get back to par and maybe half a season to get back to that probowl level. I'll give him around $4M with extra incentives like $500,000 for each playoff game he plays in this season etc

This guy could really help out for a couple more years while we develop another interior stud or decide if we want to go with Berny, who I feel is very capable of the job but we just don't trust right now only because of injuries.

 

[boysfanindc]

Is anyone else really bothered by the fact that Waters is interested in playing, but only "at his price"? I dont care what the situation is, any player that is primarily motivated by the contract he signs is not a guy I want...

I go to work every day ONLY for the money.

 

[Tex]

This guy I wager wont sigh anywhere until most of training camp is over anyway. I will be shocked if they sign him next week.

 

[jobberone]

I don't care to sign a vet right now. They know all the guards in the league who could possibly be released. They can evaluate our guys, wait for the injured to return, and be prepared to deal with more injuries with signing a FA later in camp. Getting the C anchored will help anyone playing G a lot. Let's see what happens over the next few weeks. Moore could still unretire towards the end of camp, too.

 

[Stash]

Well, he didn't play for all of last season. And nobody else played the past 6 months either, but that's what training camp is for. Remember all that talk about how Romo was fat? That was 6 months of off-time for you. It's harder to get back in football form when you're older too. He hasn't played in 2 offseasons and one full season, and he's 36, and we expect him to sign the day before Game 1 and play like an All Pro?

I don't expect day one, but I believe that he didn't sign with New England until at least midway through training camp (same day we stupidly signed Dockery instead!), but he went on to a Pro Bowl season that year.

I think accomplished vets like him know what they need to do to be ready for the season.

 

[Ren]

That's good to know. I just hope we don't over spend to convince him. While the move has great upside if it works out, he is still 36 and hasn't played in a yr. Hopefully they can work out an incentive laden deal where if Waters plays 16 games and plays well he gets his asking price plus some.

What does it really matter if we overspend to get him at this point? it would just be a 1 year deal so he'd be off the books by the time FA rolls around next year and it's Jerry paying not us

 

[conner01]

He's 36. All you're other points make sense, but I hate when people inflate players ages.

you are correct. he won't turn 37 till febuary. my bad

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The guy is 47... I don't think he's capable of contributing.

Yeah but everybody knows Mankins is 105 and he's still playing at an All Pro Level.

 

[Cowboys22]

Could we have had Waters and Moore? Say they cost, as a pair 5.5 mill. Would the money have been there?

Yes, they are nearly $9 million under the cap right now. The problem is that they are counting on carrying as much as that as they can over to next year's cap so that they can resign some of the guys they ant to keep. They want to spend as little as possible so that they have more to carry over.