The Zeke Conundrum

[gjkoeppen]

he only had 240+ rushes. Same number as 2017, when he only played in 10 games.

Dallas struggled to run in 6 games last season.

expecting him to run behind that OL last year was asking a lot.

Even if we give Elliott a pass for last season look at his rushing yards starting as a rookie and see how every year they go down. He peaked as a rookie and has gone down every year since. 2016 rookie year he had 1,631 yards, 2017 was his suspension year and had 983, 2018 he had 1,434 which is less than 1,631, 2019 he had 1,357 which is less than 1,434, 2020 he had 979 which is less than both 1,357 and the 983 for ten games. EVERY GM in the league also knows those numbers too.
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[Rockport]

Even if we give Elliott a pass for last season look at his rushing yards starting as a rookie and see how every year they go down. He peaked as a rookie and has gone down every year since. 2016 rookie year he had 1,631 yards, 2017 was his suspension year and had 983, 2018 he had 1,434 which is less than 1,631, 2019 he had 1,357 which is less than 1,434, 2020 he had 979 which is less than both 1,357 and the 983 for ten games. EVERY GM in the league also knows those numbers too.
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His rushing attempts have also gone down every year since his rookie year. You just can't go by yards. There's many other factors. The team was pretty good in 2016 and has gone down steadily since because of the defense and special teams. To blame his decline in yardage solely on Zeke is naive.

 

[DuncanIso]

His rushing attempts have also gone down every year since his rookie year. You just can't go by yards. There's many other factors. The team was pretty good in 2016 and has gone down steadily since because of the defense and special teams. To blame his decline in yardage solely on Zeke is naive.

They've wasted Zeke's best years.

He has about 2-3 seasons left as a top RB.

 

[Rockport]

They've wasted Zeke's best years.

He has about 2-3 seasons left as a top RB.

Can't argue that for sure.

 

[gjkoeppen]

His rushing attempts have also gone down every year since his rookie year. You just can't go by yards. There's many other factors. The team was pretty good in 2016 and has gone down steadily since because of the defense and special teams. To blame his decline in yardage solely on Zeke is naive.

You're reaching on the carries thing. In 2016 he had 322 carries in 2018 he had 304 carries and the 18 difference wasn't going to get him the 200 more yards he would need to catch 2016. The same for 2019. It's funny, not ha ha funny, that another player had the same defense and special teams but his numbers improved every season, Prescott. All you're doing is making excuses for Elliott's downward trend.
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[nightrain]

They've wasted Zeke's best years.

He has about 2-3 seasons left as a top RB.

Take the two and wish him well after 2022. Will have up to $8.3M available for his replacement relative to what he would have made minus what he is owed.

 

[SportsGuru80]

IF Zeke isn't better in 2021, you gotta cut bait after this year...

 

[Rockport]

You're reaching on the carries thing. In 2016 he had 322 carries in 2018 he had 304 carries and the 18 difference wasn't going to get him the 200 more yards he would need to catch 2016. The same for 2019. It's funny, not ha ha funny, that another player had the same defense and special teams but his numbers improved every season, Prescott. All you're doing is making excuses for Elliott's downward trend.
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Not making excuses, just stating the facts. You failed to mention he had only 244 carries last year. I wonder why?

 

[Sydla]

Browns have stud Nick Chubb still on his rook contract. He's a high drafted stud. Then they got Hunt at a bargain due to his own stupidity in publicly kicking a woman.

These are two studs, Syd, not a good comparison.

It's a great example. They are using a rookie contract and a low bargain contract to build a running game. The Browns prove my point. They are not paying their TB a crap ton of money to build a running game. They built their running game using a FA contract on a high ceiling, high risk guy and riding a rookie contract for as long as they can.

It precisely proves my point. You can build a competent NFL run game without having to overpay for one TB.

 

[Vinnie2u]

It's a great example. They are using a rookie contract and a low bargain contract to build a running game. The Browns prove my point. They are not paying their TB a crap ton of money to build a running game. They built their running game using a FA contract on a high ceiling, high risk guy and riding a rookie contract for as long as they can.

It precisely proves my point. You can build a competent NFL run game without having to overpay for one TB.

Tampa got Fournette on the low.... Jacksonville paid for their mistake of drafting a RB at the top of the 1st...

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

They stunk. When DiNucci played, he was as bad a QB as I can remember.

However we still, apparently, had our elite, game changing TB that we paid all this money to because we were told by you guys how awesome he was and how he deserved to be paid like that.

But now we are being told that hey, don't pick on Elliott, you can't blame him or expect him to play well when everything around him wasn't perfect.

You guys are making the argument for why it was a mistake to pay him. We tied up a chunk of cap space in a position where it often requires good play around him to be effective.

You are using hyperbole to rationalize your HATE agenda.

No one SAID EVER...Zeke alone gets us a Super Bowl...so cut the crap.

So Dak has a couple "good" years and you say "pay the man".

2 time rushing champ and as mentioned 3 straight assured if it wasn't for Jerry's feud with GODell. Not gonna pay THAT man?

You think Dak would have had an awesome rookie year and a decent 3 year run without zeke?...baloney.


You OF COURSE need a good QB to be a good offense, regardless of RB. You OF COURSE need a solid starting O-line to have a good offense, regardless of QB or RB. . Of COURSE some players have an off few games or so. You dont; ditch one of the best players at his position because of a coupel fd up games and entire *** up offseason and season. Unless you have hate and jealousy in your heart. Or (falsely) thinking you are some kind of omnipresent expert and what you say goes.

So...what are you mad about? The money? Zeke's playboy lifestyle?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Tampa got Fournette on the low.... Jacksonville paid for their mistake of drafting a RB at the top of the 1st...

And Cowboys have the same kind of team and coach? What a ridiculous statement.

Put Fournette HERE and see what happens.

 

[Starforever]

It's a great example. They are using a rookie contract and a low bargain contract to build a running game. The Browns prove my point. They are not paying their TB a crap ton of money to build a running game. They built their running game using a FA contract on a high ceiling, high risk guy and riding a rookie contract for as long as they can.

It precisely proves my point. You can build a competent NFL run game without having to overpay for one TB.

The point is, eventually you will have to pay the RB's, or cut bait.

 

[blueblood70]

Tampa got Fournette on the low.... Jacksonville paid for their mistake of drafting a RB at the top of the 1st...

right because that what the downfall of the Jags have been

best check the history wasn't fournette was bortles deal and other bad qb choices not bolstering the OL, spending all the money and draft on defense only to let that talent walk or making mistakes all over that team..

teams dont fail over one player, they fail because of total team breakdown from he top down..


so lets calm the drama trains down over RBs

when Zeke was was the identity 2 playoffs runs ie his rushing titles years , without it welp whats happening ??look around..plenty of non zeke blame to go around thats for sure..

 

[Starforever]

And Cowboys have the same kind of team and coach? What a ridiculous statement.

Put Fournette HERE and see what happens.

Fournette, would be putrid in Dallas, because he doesn't even have the prowess of Zeke. He would become the same back he was in Jacksonville.

 

[Vinnie2u]

Its going to be interesting what the Giants do with Barkley...

 

[aria]

But here is the problem. You guys justified paying Elliott all that money because you claimed he was an elite TB, a game changer, the guy who made our engine run. But when he struggles, suddenly he's a guy that we can't blame because all these things around him didn't work? Well if everything around the TB needs to be good for him to be good, then how exactly is he this elite, game changing TB?

Stop it with all your logic and common sense! Those are foreign concepts to zeke and his fan club, you’re confusing them.

 

[aria]

Its going to be interesting what the Giants do with Barkley...

I can only hope they’re as dumb as we were and give him a huge contract.

 

[starfan1]

You are using hyperbole to rationalize your HATE agenda.

No one SAID EVER...Zeke alone gets us a Super Bowl...so cut the crap.

So Dak has a couple "good" years and you say "pay the man".

2 time rushing champ and as mentioned 3 straight assured if it wasn't for Jerry's feud with GODell. Not gonna pay THAT man?

You think Dak would have had an awesome rookie year and a decent 3 year run without zeke?...baloney.


You OF COURSE need a good QB to be a good offense, regardless of RB. You OF COURSE need a solid starting O-line to have a good offense, regardless of QB or RB. . Of COURSE some players have an off few games or so. You dont; ditch one of the best players at his position because of a coupel fd up games and entire *** up offseason and season. Unless you have hate and jealousy in your heart. Or (falsely) thinking you are some kind of omnipresent expert and what you say goes.

So...what are you mad about? The money? Zeke's playboy lifestyle?

There is predictability whenever there is some Zeke hate thrown around. One is the same people will be on that side of the issue and 2 is you'll come running to defend him and compare him to Dak. yes i think any average to above average RB could have put up Zeke like numbers and dak would have put up good numbers. Why? because it was the best line in football. And yes i cant stand Zeke as our RB. But i think you are well aware of that.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Not making excuses, just stating the facts. You failed to mention he had only 244 carries last year. I wonder why?

Because I already said to give him a pass for last season. That doesn't change what he did or better put he didn't do in his other seasons.
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