This is how injury prone Romo is

[Idgit]

This is how injury prone Romo is

I believe the politically correct term is brittle and that will happen with age and hits.

Out of curiosity, how much more brittle do you think the bones of a 26 year old are from a 36 year old? On average? We talking about early-onset osteoporosis here? His problem is not going to be bone density, for crying out loud.

If age or injuries catch up to him, it'll be something like a significant problem with a back or a joint that's caused by a specific hit or hits. Or it will be his legs or arms giving out on him enough that he can no longer keep up with younger players and will happen gradually like it did to Peyton Manning the last few years. This is normal for players in their late 30s, and it'll happen to Tony, too, at some point.

 

[Doc50]

It meets the requirements of the definition of "chronic", from a dictionary that deals in facts, and not a fan who doesn't like the interpretation.



I'm not asking you to change your opinion, only to not try to change anyone else's. Or telling anyone else that "chronic" doesn't apply when it does.



Feel free to do that - for yourself. And the rest of us will judge accordingly as well.

But that's not the medical interpretation of chronic in this case.

The numbers are there, but the underlying physiologic deficit that would create a recurring condition is absent.

Therefore, not considered chronic.

 

[superonyx]

What part? that a 300lb lineman landing on him could very easily break his collarbone again, or that they will be targeting him?

I think both of them are common sense. You can break a collarbone landing on your shoulder incorrectly.

The Mumford procedure removed a part of the collarbone that keeps the shoulder away from the chest. So it now will act like a spring when pressed. Romo did an interview with NFL Network explains how the bone won't break again.

 

[8FOR!3]

He's 36 years old and 6'2 230 meaning he's not a small guy but he's older and getting hit by much larger players. I'd say anybody at that age is somewhat injury prone depending on the hit they're taking.

 

[Gameover]

Troy Aikman was injury prone. Always hurt, always leaving games early because of injury. Tony has been much more durable.

 

[Stash]

You're the one who stepped in when another poster specifically asked me why I wasn't worried about the collarbone.

Sorry, I didn't realize that your initial post was in response to a question. My bad on that.

So stop pretending you're the martyr here.

But I'm not getting this venom?

I told you why I'm not worried about it as clearly as I can. Two, separate, isolated instances. Five or so years apart. Where the proximal cause was a giant person putting more weight on a fragile bone than that bone was designed to withstand.

I could debate your interpretation of the word 'chronic' here, if it were relevant to the thread, but it's enough to say I don't think that word means what you think it means. In any event, it doesn't matter. Unless you're going to make the point somewhere that people with fully healed broken collarbones are more likely to break them again, what's the point of arguing about it?

There's no "interpretation" of the word chronic going on here. The definition is clear -recurring. As in more than once, and in Romo broke his collarbone more than once. Three times in fact. I don't have to make any such point, history does it for me. Romo was years removed from his first break, meaning it was much more "fully healed" than it could be at this point. And it still broke again, twice. Not opinion, not interpretation, but cold, hard fact.

If it makes you feel better, we can agree to be concerned about the back, which I think I mentioned in my very first post is an actual recurring condition where he really does have an elevated risk of reinjury and which is a much more serious potential problem anyway.

I feel fine thanks and don't need to "feel better". We can save those wishes for Romo. For now and for the future. We all hope he feels better and stays that way.

 

[aikemirv]

The Mumford procedure removed a part of the collarbone that keeps the shoulder away from the chest. So it now will act like a spring when pressed. Romo did an interview with NFL Network explains how the bone won't break again.

Even correctly formed collarbones break. If you think that DL's won't target him and try to smash him to the ground with their weight you think they are much nicer guys than I do. He is going to have to be very careful to not get his body in bad positions where he cannot control the position on which he lands underneath them.

 

[Stash]

So because I broke my wrist 15 years ago playing a sport and then broke it again 2 summers ago in a car wreck, that's considered a chronic condition? Romo does NOT have a chronic condition with his collarbone. It broke 5-6 years apart. Unless you define Constantly Recurring to mean every 5 years or so. I don't.

You should, write your own dictionary if you have an issue with the established definition.

 

[Stash]

But that's not the medical interpretation of chronic in this case.

The numbers are there, but the underlying physiologic deficit that would create a recurring condition is absent.

Therefore, not considered chronic.

Interpretation is subject to opinion, the definition of chronic isn't.

And the "absence" that you want to point to cannot be proven or disproven at this point, but only over time.

 

[dfense]

15 games missed since 2006 compared to Romo's 27 games.

Or you could say Ben has a 30% chance of playing a full 16 game season.

 

[Stash]

Or you could say Ben has a 30% chance of playing a full 16 game season.

Whatever percentages you want to place on Big Ben, Romo's have to be worse based on number of games missed.

 

[xwalker]

If you believe that the procedure the doctors performed on his collarbone will make it so that it won't be able to break again then you do have to consider the collarbone as no longer an issue.
It would be like a QB missing a bunch of games due to concussions and then having him wear a true concussion proof helmet( if it existed)....that issue would no longer be an issue for him.

In any case, I will always be nervous anytime any QB we have gets hit. The human body isn't designed to take hits at the speed and impact that the NFL puts them through.

I think the procedure reduced the possibility of injury by some percentage but it didn't completely eliminate the risk. If it was a guarantee, then there never would have been a debate about which procedure to perform.

 

[Arkyvarminter]

Romo is old and brittle now. There is absolutely no debate what so ever. And its not like the guy is a physical specimen as it is. That doesnt mean he cant play 16 games in a season. Its just not likely anymore. And its not all about playing in the game. Its about being 100% or being as effective as you could be otherwise.

Exactly and he can't move like he used to which leads to even more hits....

 

[superonyx]

Even correctly formed collarbones break. If you think that DL's won't target him and try to smash him to the ground with their weight you think they are much nicer guys than I do. He is going to have to be very careful to not get his body in bad positions where he cannot control the position on which he lands underneath them.

This surgery he had was not to make sure the collarbone is correctly formed.
It was to remove the weak part of the bone and replace it with something that is more like a spring. The hits to this bone should not be an issue like before. This surgery isn't something they would do on a throwing shoulder. He loses support that the collarbone provides but he gains by not having the bone break again.

 

[Idgit]

But that's not the medical interpretation of chronic in this case.

The numbers are there, but the underlying physiologic deficit that would create a recurring condition is absent.

Therefore, not considered chronic.

Thanks for putting that officially to bed.

So, is it true that there's no physiologic reason why the re-injury risk would be higher, then? Like I said, I looked briefly for an indication that it could be, but didn't find much useful, either way.

For the record, though the collarbone injury clearly isn't a chronic problem, I do buy the argument that they way Tony plays tends to put him at an increased risk for injury. I hope to see him not make some of the last minute throws when he's exposed that he's made in the past. Between that, the Mumford procedure, and the OL play, I'm hoping he's at a lower risk of injury overall than some QBs are, but that's a hard case to make when the guy sits in there and takes hits the way he takes them. I'd much rather he go the Rodgers route and fall on the ball more often, but the fact that he won't is pretty much what makes Tony special.

 

[Doc50]

Interpretation is subject to opinion, the definition of chronic isn't.

And the "absence" that you want to point to cannot be proven or disproven at this point, but only over time.

The medical profession would disagree with your position on this, but the point you're trying to emphasize is moot anyway, since Tony will be here until Dak pries the football out of his cold dead hands.

 

[Stash]

The medical profession would disagree with your position on this, but the point you're trying to emphasize is moot anyway, since Tony will be here until Dak pries the football out of his cold dead hands.

OK...

 

[Doc50]

This surgery he had was not to make sure the collarbone is correctly formed.
It was to remove the weak part of the bone and replace it with something that is more like a spring. The hits to this bone should not be an issue like before. This surgery isn't something they would do on a throwing shoulder. He loses support that the collarbone provides but he gains by not having the bone break again.

The surgery did not remove the weak part of the bone.

It trimmed the distal aspect of the clavicle at its junction with the sternum, in order to leave a space that would allow movement when compressed, and reduce the risk of the same kind of longitudinal compression trauma.

 

[dallasdave]

I agree. I think it's lining up for him to have as good of a season as he did in 2014, when he was arguably a league MVP candidate.

 

[Idgit]

The surgery did not remove the weak part of the bone.

It trimmed the distal aspect of the clavicle at its junction with the sternum, in order to leave a space that would allow movement when compressed, and reduce the risk of the same kind of longitudinal compression trauma.

Coincidentally, this is the same reason why I'm wearing boxers.